The Next US President

I'm still trying to figure out the US popular population on their rational for voting this guy in against the establishment is just crazy.

It may not be possible for those who haven't lived here for extended periods of time to appreciate the depth and breadth of white supremacy in our country. Those of us who went through the civil rights struggles may have thought that the racists were in the minority, even with all the cartoons about the "monkeys" in the White House.

But Trump gave these people permission not only to day-walk but to be aggressive about it: bullying, assault and battery, arson, vandalism, and all the rest of it. Not a time that I want to revisit.
 
It will be interesting to see any difference between Trump's past rhetoric and what he actually does. If, as is usual with politics, he forgets all his promises, threats and other claptrap perhaps we may actually see something worthwhile achieved. May possibly depend on the influence of his advisers. Probably more a hope than anticipation!

I'd be amazed if we ever see that wall, and even more so if the Mexicans pay for it.
 
But the American reality has always been about violently affirming the political power of whiteness. One supposes that this is what Trumpers meant when they applauded the Donald for “telling it like it is.” Arguably, he won because of, and not in spite of, his bigotry, sexism, vulgarity, anti-intellectualism, willful ignorance, false piety, charlatanism and incompetence in business. By reveling in his abject failures as a human being yet refusing to apologize for them, his very existence was a weirdly honest acknowledgement that the American dream was always just that — a dream. The “real” America ached to be acknowledged. And this gritty body politic was not America the Beautiful but America the Bully.

November 9, Day 1 of Trumpland, people of color started turning to social media to report physical assaults, verbal abuse, and hate crimes being perpetrated against them. (See a growing list of depressing tweets being collected here. More stories are being collected on a dedicated Tumblr called “It Has Begun 2016.”) On Twitter, New York Daily News columnist Shaun King has been serving as a hub for self-reported racist attacks, most of which are subsequently confirmed via local news outlets and police reports; they are not, despite the conspiracy theories inevitably advanced by Trumpers, hoaxes and false flag operations concocted by Hillary supporters in an attempt to cast Trump in a bad light. Only the willfully blind can fail to see that President-elect Trump has made racism culturally permissible, given that attackers often explicitly connect their hateful acts to his leadership. For example, here is a G-rated one: “Aren’t you [black and brown people] supposed to be sitting in the back of the bus now? Like Trump is president!” The reports go on and on and on.

Around the country, spray-painted swastikas are appearing, including one proclaiming HEIL TRUMP. A non-white author of my acquaintance just discovered that her college visit was cancelled because someone draped a noose around the neck of a black doll and left it in an elevator. Ellen Oh of We Need Diverse Books tweeted that well dressed white boys were walking past people of color at the mall and hissing “Trump” at them. Racist messages are appearing in schools, such as this one scrawled on a black student’s locker in a high school in Minnesota. It says: “F**k N*****s.” Offended by the language? Be offended that a teenager thought this was okay to write this.

There are dozens upon dozens of similar reports of foul invectives being hurled at children of color around the country, as well as unconfirmed reports that eight trans kids responded to the news of Trump’s election by committing suicide.

All this and more, in just 36 hours, at the time of writing, in Trumpland.

Even manicured lawns and swollen bank accounts can’t protect bourgeois families from being exposed to the racist bile, because the bile is being hurled by their own. The town of Wellesley is one of the wealthiest and most attractive suburbs in the country. It is the home of Wellesley College, a private women’s liberal arts college, and Hillary Clinton’s alma mater. Yesterday, two young white men drove a blue pickup onto the serene oasis of Wellesley campus, while prominently flying a Trump flag from the truck bed along with Confederate regalia. Violently inserting themselves into the well-tended landscape, the two white men laughed and screamed as they sped by startled female students, so proud of themselves for acting like racist jerks that they made a video of it. Various Wellesley students reported that they harassed women of color and openly queer women, calling one student a “dyke.” Then “they parked in front of the house for students of African descent, and jeered at them, screaming ‘Trump’ and ‘Make America Great Again.’ When one student asked them to leave, they spit in her direction.”

--Paula Young Lee
 
Dear white people, it’s time for you to come get your boys.

Earlier this year for Salon, comedian W. Kamau Bell and best-selling author Adam Mansbach argued that Trump was “a white people issue.” That it was now incumbent on white people to feel embarrassment over Trump strictly on the basis on their shared whiteness, they said. To feel a racialized responsibility for him the same way that any person of color is made to feel whenever another black or brown person ends up on the news. For white people to recognize that Trump was not an aberration but the pinnacle of white institutionalism. That it was time, in other words, for good white liberals to “come get their boy,” to sit him down and set him straight before things became worse.

Well, they’re worse. Newly released from the tyranny of “leftist political correctness,” apparently white men are not only unleashing their resentment against highly accomplished women by openly harassing them, but they are also rightly expecting to be rewarded for their misogyny. This is the lesson of former “Access Hollywood” host Billy Bush and President-elect Trump, both of whom profited quite handsomely from doing exactly that.

These charmers are not the hardscrabble sons of the Confederacy but the educated scions of wealthy East Coast families. I’m talking about Bush and Trump, of course, but also about the Wellesley spitters: They are currently enrolled at nearby Babson College, which has not identified them to the press. Meanwhile, on social media, students at Babson are circulating their names and their reputed connections. Their exploits are known because they bragged about them. There are multiple eyewitnesses and photographs. They directly invoked Trump as motivating their racist actions.

They are not George Soros and John Podesta wearing “Mission: Impossible” masks. Yet their fellow students at Babson apparently do not expect the administration to discipline them, let alone the local police to do anything. Their fraternity, to its credit, did expel them, according to The Boston Globe.

This bunkered institutional response, this systematic marginalization of the most vulnerable, this dismissiveness of those without social standing, without deep local roots, without entrenched professional networks and the reflexive goodwill of authorities — this whole nexus of things unsaid and the reality of legal rights as a selective political net is why nonwhite American citizens, as well as LGBTQ and religious minorities, and people with disabilities are now legitimately fearful for their safety in this country.

To read the litany of humiliations and attacks on people of color will induce fear in any person possessed of some degree of empathy. But what is truly terrifying is to realize, with the cold pain of a searing truth slicing like a knife through your eye, that nice white people are going about their day, loftily pretending that none of this is happening.
 
These incidents are ugly. Nice white people prefer to live where Life is Beautiful™. Even once white people are made aware of the sudden proliferation of racist and sexist abuse being done in Trump’s name, the majority react by seeking to minimize its effects. It’s just name calling, bitch. Grow a spine, snowflakes. What does Trump have to do with it? He didn’t spit on you, did he? Because white institutionalism will protect its own, using the PR of public patronage to whitewash its sins.

Many of these incidents are taking place in schools, and the perpetrators are white teenagers and children. They are feeling out the limits of permissibility, testing out the new rules. The lack of response from other white people is tacit confirmation that being a racist is the new cultural norm as well as a social necessity to prove your bona fides as one of Trump’s minions and future member of “Trump Youth.”

Good white people must start calling this out before the full rage is unleashed after Trump is sworn in, doing the work to make it clear to other white people, through action, words and deeds, that that neo-Nazism, white nationalism and all the rest is not condoned by what remains of the American experiment in democracy.

This work is difficult. It’s easier for white people to mock and belittle, lest you have to confront your peers and say to their face: This is not OK, we are better than this, that Trumpers are not the racist bullies the Hillbots accuse us of being. By saying nothing and doing nothing, however, you merely confirm that yes, actually, you are.

I know a lot of Trump voters yet can’t name a single one who repudiated the Ku Klux Klan’s formal endorsement of Trump, who decried the celebrations of white nationalist leaders following his election or said one word regarding the anti-Semitic threats being spewed at Jewish journalists throughout Trump’s campaign.

Good white people must stop telling themselves that overt racism is the behavior of a few outliers or claiming that it’s the work of impoverished rural whites who don’t know any better. When children in schools around the country repeatedly chant, “Build a Wall” in order to taunt their Latino peers (as reported by the Detroit Free Press), this is good evidence that the racist rot is broadly cultural, not localized and exceptional. And these behaviors are learned.
 
Closer than you might think. I understand that humor will help us get through this, but I have a number of acquaintances who are subject to deportation, so I'm not quite into the humor yet.

Let's hope that he is unable to do many of the things that he promised in his speeches.
 
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Depressing :cry:

It hasn't been my intention of bringing about a bummer day, but something has been running through my mind for quite some time due to events in Europe. A century ago, Tolkien wrote of a "shadow" working its way toward England. While I don't want to trivialize events by bringing up fantasy fiction, as a trader I'm particularly aware of how difficult it is to appreciate the importance of events, much less trends, in real time.

Europe is in trouble, and it's unlikely that the trouble will "pass". Those who cling to that notion would do well to consider the German people. They know all about it. More than most. What's happening here is an extension and an amplification of what's happening over there, but it's all woven into the same cloth.

Those who are in their twenties and thirties and forties would do well to pay respectful attention to those in their seventies and eighties. They know.

It took nearly twenty years for events in Germany to "ripen". But how much easier would it have been for everyone if that particular growth had been nipped in the bud?
 
Yes, db, we do know but the chances of any thirty and forty year olds listening to us is a somewhat far-fetched proposition.

The growth of intolerance throughout most of the world is horrible, particularly when accompanied by the abuse and bullying that is fed by social media and by politicians who should know better.

As an aside, how one can appear on a public platform and denounce Hilary Clinton as the most corrupt and crooked politician of all time, then appear again (once people have listened) and change tack praising her for all the unstinting public service she has given USA over the years is beyond me.
 
Yes, db, we do know but the chances of any thirty and forty year olds listening to us is a somewhat far-fetched proposition.

The growth of intolerance throughout most of the world is horrible, particularly when accompanied by the abuse and bullying that is fed by social media and by politicians who should know better.

Perhaps they ought to read up on the MS St Louis, something I've been thinking about ever since the "immigrant crisis" began in Europe.
 
But how much easier would it have been for everyone if that particular growth had been nipped in the bud?

How can that be done ? Trump has been elected democratically. He and Clinton have been haranguing each other for weeks, if not months, so everyone has had time to make up their minds. Those who abstained should have voted. I see it as too late, now, and the country has got him, like it or lump it. It is well known that Clinton was considered to be most unsuitable for the Presidency and, in fact, she lost very safe Democratic states to the Republicans.

Once Hitler was elected, it was very difficult to eject him. It is the same for every democratic nation in the world. So, it will be for Trump.

There is a formality, isn't there, on December 12(?), whereby each state accepts him.? He would be the first presedent to be refused, using that method.
 
How can that be done ? Trump has been elected democratically. He and Clinton have been haranguing each other for weeks, if not months, so everyone has had time to make up their minds. Those who abstained should have voted. I see it as too late, now, and the country has got him, like it or lump it. It is well known that Clinton was considered to be most unsuitable for the Presidency and, in fact, she lost very safe Democratic states to the Republicans.

Once Hitler was elected, it was very difficult to eject him. It is the same for every democratic nation in the world. So, it will be for Trump.

There is a formality, isn't there, on December 12(?), whereby each state accepts him.? He would be the first presedent to be refused, using that method.

Actually I wasn't referring to Trump specifically as that's a done deal. And given that half the country is in synch with him, I'm afraid we're stuck. I was rather referring to Europe. Your multi-party systems are both a plus and a minus, but in this case, with the resurgence of fascism, they are most definitely a plus. Granted they can form coalitions to consolidate their power, but if the populace is vigilant, you might be able to prevent things from getting worse.

Younger people are more likely to view this as alarmist. Older people, not so much.

As for the electors voting (on Dec 19th), not much hope there. Congress has the authority to overturn their vote, even if there were enough electors to flip. This isn't the first time all three branches of government have been controlled by Republicans, but it's the first time that all three branches have been so anti-American.

By the way, thanks for the 2016 John Lewis Christmas ad.
 
WASHINGTON ― One of Britain’s most respected politicians says she acknowledges the election of future U.S. President Donald Trump but remains committed to challenging his excesses.

“During the campaign, I found so many of President-elect Trump’s comments to be deeply abhorrent, and I never want to be — I am not ever prepared to be — a politician who maintains a diplomatic silence in the face of attitudes of racism, sexism, misogyny or intolerance of any kind,” Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon told the Scottish Parliament on Thursday. “We hope that President-elect Trump turns out to be a president who is very different from the kind of candidate that he was and that he reaches out to those who felt vilified by his campaign.”

As leader of the Scottish National Party, Sturgeon broke a diplomatic taboo before the election by publicly saying she supported Trump’s rival, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Her condemnation of “diplomatic silence” is in keeping with this unconventional approach.

It also echoes German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who pointedly noted in a Wednesday congratulatory message to Trump that U.S.-German ties rest on a shared concern for human rights and the rule of law.

To hear these kinds of statements after a U.S. election is surreal. The U.S. and other nations in its orbit often issue messages like this following votes in less developed countries where democracy is fragile.

With the election of a candidate who has endorsed using torture, banning individuals based on their religion and curtailing the freedom of the press, it’s America’s democracy that seems to be viewed as threatened.

Leaders like Sturgeon and Merkel are signaling how badly they want to protect that system, which, warts and all, is seen by many abroad as an essential global force for good. Sturgeon noted that Trump won on the anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall ― a moment when western democracy seemed more secure and successful than ever.

The Scottish minister’s comments Thursday and Wednesday are especially interesting given that Trump has links to Scotland through his mother, his significant business interests there and his interest in deeper ties with the United Kingdom.

Sturgeon’s SNP is the third most powerful party in the British Parliament. And she has added to her popularity in recent months by strongly criticizing the U.K.’s June “Brexit” vote to leave the European Union. Voters in Scotland overwhelmingly opted to stay in the EU.

Trump supports Brexit and has presented the unlikely success of his “Make America great again” message as a parallel to those in the U.K. who wanted to take “their country back.”

The move has weakened Britain’s currency, cast doubt on its future economic prospects and created an environment in which hate crimes have increased significantly. The plan’s future is currently in question because of a legal battle. But Brexit proponent Nigel Farage of the U.K. Independence Party has been cheered by Trump’s victory, seeing it as a vindication for the ideology he helped spread.

Sturgeon’s party has remained committed to social inclusion even as fear-mongering has grown in Britain. It has actually expanded its power, in a sign that there are ways to gain politically without pandering to xenophobia. The SNP cheered a report of an increase in immigration to the U.K. in 2015, while the country’s two major parties argued over how best to keep people out, Stephen Daisley, digital politics and comments editor for broadcaster STV, noted in an essay on the SNP.

In her Thursday remarks, Sturgeon noted that incidents of bullying in schools had increased after the Brexit vote.

Anger about globalization’s effect on the economy is something politicians in the U.S. and the U.K. should reckon with, Sturgeon said, bashing policies of austerity that have fueled dissatisfaction across Europe.

“However, we must never allow those legitimate issues to give a veneer of respectability to racism, misogyny or intolerance generally. We all have a responsibility to do that now, perhaps more than ever before.”
 
It is my view that Britain is the mother of decency, democracy and fairness - not America. The battles were being fought here long before America was found.
Nicola Sturgeon is doing her best to pull this country apart. Britain is the kingpin of modern and civilized philosophy. She seems oblivious of the damage she is doing in her thirst for sole power. Let's hope civilization doesn't take a lurch back to Imperialism and protectionism as endorsed by Putin and now Trump.
 
This was only posted yesterday on youtube.

A speech made pre Brexit by One of our honest politicians. (there aren't many)
A future PM if ever I saw One.


Well said but those issues were evident years back with the Greek crisis and before.....Of course better later than never but we people need to keep our eyes open and get engaged not only when it concerns us directly......
 
Or maybe not. No presidential candidate has ever encouraged violence the way Trump has. And his supporters have responded. So we'll see.

Fortunately I live in a Democratic state. Our crime is non-prejudicial.
.............................................^Are you serious about that ?

Hunh....it's the disgruntled Left that is protesting in the streets causing mayhem. So much for the Party of Peace and Tolerance.

Have you heard anything from the Democratic leadership to encourage the hooligans to stop what they are doing and go home ? I haven't .

There is plenty of evidence with Obama encouraging violence and divisiveness.





 
.............................................^Are you serious about that ?

Hunh....it's the disgruntled Left that is protesting in the streets causing mayhem. So much for the Party of Peace and Tolerance.

Have you heard anything from the Democratic leadership to encourage the hooligans to stop what they are doing and go home ? I haven't .

There is plenty of evidence with Obama encouraging violence and divisiveness

OTOH, Democrats did not encourage their followers to grab their guns and get ready for armed revolt if Republicans were to win, much less shoot the opposing candidate.

Nice try, though.
 
.............................................^Are you serious about that ?

Hunh....it's the disgruntled Left that is protesting in the streets causing mayhem. So much for the Party of Peace and Tolerance.

Have you heard anything from the Democratic leadership to encourage the hooligans to stop what they are doing and go home ? I haven't .

There is plenty of evidence with Obama encouraging violence and divisiveness.

I agree Texas. Republicans are not in the streets lighting things on fire. Republicans did not set Ferguson on fire and loot it to the bone causing millions in property damage.

To answer DB's original statement about education having nothing to do with my statements: well, they do. People said that non-college whites voted for Trump.

Asians are by far the most educated followed by whites. If 86% of the black population is hard-core left and 79% of the black population does not have a degree and 85% of the Latino population does not have a degree and 88% percent of them vote to the left, then that means that there were more uneducated people voting for Hillary than for Trump. This a best case scenario where all educated Black and Latino and Asian vote for Hillary. That too is untrue. Some did indeed vote for Trump.

If we are playing the race card that means there were not any minorities that voted for Trump, which would suggest the more educated people (BA degree holders) voted for Trump.

36% of native Whites and 48% emigrant whites hold at least a BA. That leaves about 3/5 of the white population without a formal education. That is not near enough votes to elect somebody. There are approximately 1,800,000 caucasian European immigrants in the US Western Europe - (Switzerland, Lux, Belgium, Scandinavia, Italy, France, Germany, Ireland, UK) 3,800,000 black immigrants. 19,400,000 Latino immigrants.

The white population in this is country is 68%. 77% of them are of voting age. 0.77 * 0.62 = 52.36% of the voting population is white non-Hispanic. That would require every single white person to vote for Trump, which did not happen.


See - these are links with explanations that I have provided. It is pathetic when all you can do is post retarded video and memes about Trump.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/population/cb12-243.html
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00
 
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