The Next US President

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are in a bar.
Donald leans over, and with a smile on his face, says, "The media is really tearing you apart for that scandal."

Hillary: "You mean my lying about Benghazi?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "You mean the massive voter fraud?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "You mean the military not getting their votes counted?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "Using my secret private server with classified material to hide my activities?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "Using the Clinton Foundation as a cover for tax evasion, hiring cronies,
and taking bribes from foreign countries?
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "You mean the drones being operated in our own country without the
benefit of the law?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million, and right afterward it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "Whitewater, Watergate committee, Vince Foster, commodity deals?"
Trump: "No the other one:"

Hillary: "The IRS targeting conservatives?"
Trump: "No the other one:"

Hillary: "Turning Libya into chaos?"
Trump: "No the other one:"

Hillary: "Trashing Mubarak, one of our few Muslim friends?"
Trump: "No the other one:"

Hillary: "Turning our backs on Israel?"
Trump: "No the other one:"

Hillary: "The joke Iran Nuke deal?”
Trump: "No the other one:"

Hillary: "Leaving Iraq in chaos?”
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "The DOJ spying on the press?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "You mean HHS Secretary Sibelius shaking down health insurance executives?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "Giving our cronies in SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 months later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "The NSA monitoring citizens’?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "Me, The IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "Threats to all of Bill's former mistresses to keep them quiet"
Trump: "No, the other one."

Hillary: "I give up! ... Oh wait, I think I've got it! When I stole the White House furniture, silverware and china when Bill left Office?"
Trump: "THAT'S IT! I almost forgot about that one".
 
I've tried all my life to try and understand the reasons for unreasonable things and often succeeded
In the case of Trump I have failed to comprehend why anyone with more brain cells than an amoeba could possibly support him. I too despair of any American voting for this demagogue. I can now see more clearly how evil triumphs, but not why.

If Hillary wins, evil WILL triumph.

Trump may not be perfect , but Hillary is a compulsive lying thief.

She never tells the truth and the only man more unethical than her is her husband Bill.


And Chelsea is no better. She is paid $6M a year to be on the board of the Clinton Foundation that is used as a nonprofit scheme to enrich the Clinton Family. No one on any nonprofit foundation deserves to be paid 6M and Chelsea has ZERO background to be on any Board of Directors. She has achieved nothing since graduating college 15 years ago. She just rides on the tails of her parents coattails.

By the way, speaking of parents; Bill Clinton is not Chelsea's father. It is/was Webster Hubbell a partner of Bill's from Arkansas. Hillary cheated on Bill to have Chelsea.

But this was after Hillary had an abortion to get rid of the first kid she got pregnant with when it was not convenient for her. The only reason she had Chelsea is because Hillary's friend told her it would be a politically popular thing to do. No, I am not exaggerating.

The whole family is corrupt to the bone.

Trump is bombastic and he has a big mouth, but he is reasonably honest and means well.

It's not Trump or Hillary, it's the lesser of two evils.
 
This is a great read.

The verdict on the candidates: Trump, Clinton and Cruz all scored in the upper quintile in Self-Centered Impulsivity and Coldheartedness. Trump landed in the top 20 percent across the board on psychopathy traits, with a total score that placed him between Idi Amin and Adolf Hitler.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/of-psychopaths-and-presidential-candidates/


I don't doubt the surveys but I bet that those traits are probably accurate for any high achiever, whether it is a politician, a Fortune 500 CEO or an Olympic Medalist.
 
If Hillary wins, evil WILL triumph.

Trump may not be perfect , but Hillary is a compulsive lying thief.

She never tells the truth and the only man more unethical than her is her husband Bill.


The whole family is corrupt to the bone.

Trump is bombastic and he has a big mouth, but he is reasonably honest and means well.

It's not Trump or Hillary, it's the lesser of two evils.

Exactly. Well said from a fellow American!
 
Exactly. Well said from a fellow American!

I hope you US guys don't mind me pointing out that neither one is suitable on ethical, moral grounds etc. to be President.

Money corrupts I suppose ! And a system based on money must therefore turn up corrupt contenders.
 
If Hillary wins, evil WILL triumph.

Trump may not be perfect , but Hillary is a compulsive lying thief.

She never tells the truth and the only man more unethical than her is her husband Bill.


And Chelsea is no better. She is paid $6M a year to be on the board of the Clinton Foundation that is used as a nonprofit scheme to enrich the Clinton Family. No one on any nonprofit foundation deserves to be paid 6M and Chelsea has ZERO background to be on any Board of Directors. She has achieved nothing since graduating college 15 years ago. She just rides on the tails of her parents coattails.

By the way, speaking of parents; Bill Clinton is not Chelsea's father. It is/was Webster Hubbell a partner of Bill's from Arkansas. Hillary cheated on Bill to have Chelsea.

But this was after Hillary had an abortion to get rid of the first kid she got pregnant with when it was not convenient for her. The only reason she had Chelsea is because Hillary's friend told her it would be a politically popular thing to do. No, I am not exaggerating.

The whole family is corrupt to the bone.

Trump is bombastic and he has a big mouth, but he is reasonably honest and means well.

It's not Trump or Hillary, it's the lesser of two evils.


Is there any honest politician, businessman or individual who does not try and avoid paying taxes due and finding every loop hole possible to ensure monies made are left behind to offspring?

More appropriate question is who will be able to scam most money out of the role of President, Trump or Hillary?


It's a money making game for both. Anything else is baloney. Indeed it seems to be lesser of the two evils. Who will make a better go of distributing the cake and improving quality of lives, unity and maintaining the status quo imo.

Anything else is very high risk.


fwiw I though Bill Clinton and Obama were good for the US! Bush Jnr was a bad mistake made twice. :whistling
 
having watched the recent documentary on Trump (can he win)...........I saw how he could actually do it ...........its the man in the street vote .........the one that hates the fancy city slickers and everyone who took his livelihood away when they modernised all the old industries

all Trump has to do is get his foot soldiers out now and get these people to the booths ......and show them the box to tick

heaven help us..........and If he can get Farage now on his campaign trail it might work for him ..........jees

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It seems to me that the voters are easily fooled. The UK by Blair and the US by most of them. Of course any imperfections used to get covered up by the press but not now.....
 
It seems to me that the voters are easily fooled. The UK by Blair and the US by most of them. Of course any imperfections used to get covered up by the press but not now.....


I find it sickening that a woman's choice to have a baby or not and determining when to have it is under the spotlight of some very unsavoury characters with political ambitions.

I'm shocked and stunned at the ferocity of remarks about personal lives of the runners.

Not the first time Republicans have done this either. Didn't Trump suggest women who have abortions should be punished?


I think Republican parties self righteousness is going to rebound very badly for them. Doesn't sit well with me at all. And if they do get elected, well then God really may have to save the US of A imho.
 
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It seems to me that the voters are easily fooled. The UK by Blair and the US by most of them. Of course any imperfections used to get covered up by the press but not now.....

I hope for our sake that voters in Europe are potentially as ignorant as the ones in the U.S. I'd like to think we are not alone.

For instance......

A Congresswoman from Florida named Wasserman was responsible for distributing election money from the Democratic party during the primaries. She deliberately withheld money from Bernie Sanders while she gave millions to Hillary Clinton. Several emails were released (about a month ago ) that said she and others were making a deliberate effort to sabotage Sanders' election campaign. She resigned from her position a week later.

She is running for reelection in Florida and although her behavior is well known, she is running 50/50 with another Democratic primary candidate. What I don't understand is why it's so close when everyone knows she is so corrupt and unethical. Why didn't they run her out of town? If she is going to lie and cheat to her own friends in the party, she'll lie and cheat to the anonymous people electing her. Is that so difficult for them to comprehend?

Then there is an intellectual giant from Houston, Texas called Sheila Jackson.

She has had so many youtube moments she could have her own channel.
The thing is.......she keeps getting reelected because she is black. She represents a black district. That is the only reason she is in office. It says a lot about the people that give her votes. This is one of her many shining moments.....below...North Korea is the pariah of the world and Kim Jung Un is well known of his torture and murder of dissidents. And Communist Vietnam killed 7MN people after Saigon fell in 1975. Of course it is peaceful, all the dissidents are dead.


Mitt Romney ran for president in 2012 and he was very smart and well qualified.
He is very intelligent, confident, successful and quite moral. The only reason he lost is because he is Mormon. The religious right does not consider Mormons to be Christian. There are some really asinine reasons why people in America vote for and against politicians. Granted, that was not the only reason, but it was a significant argument for many people.

But, I guess we get what we deserve. That is why we ended up with Obama, Hillary and Trump. This country is going to hell in a hand basket and the Big Bad Wolf is going to be waiting for us on November 8th. The Founding Fathers would be embarrassed.



 
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I have a question for Pat. You said that people are wage slaves trying to get by here. This is ironic. The UK is much more liberal than the US and yet the national minimum wage is £7.05, which is less than the minimum wage in the California. (7.05*1.30=$9.165) Even when the pound was in the $1.40 range, it equates to less. It is $10.00 here. Voters will likely decide to raise the minimum wage to $15.00 per hour this year. New York just passed a law to do the same. $15.00/1.300=£11.53

What I do not understand is that you say the Republican party wants to hold us down. The UK, being much smaller than the US, must import a lot of its goods, causing food to be more expensive there, even more so than in California and New York, two of the most expensive places in the US. So, you have people working in a country that is more socialist and liberal-leaning, paying its people less, with more expensive produce and a obscenely high VAT tax (20%) in addition to a myriad more. What has all that additional tax revenue brought the country? Nothing. The GDP-to-debt ratio is very close to the that of the US. Your Labour Party certainly has done a good job of taking care of you. :confused::confused:

The Labour Party has basically stamped out the middle class. It took a Tory PM to decrease corporate taxation.

In the US, the Democratic party does mean well, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. They try to increase taxes upon the wealthy, but it ends up hurting only the middle class. The poor do not make enough to be affected and the wealthy are rich enough to avoid them. The Republicans want to give tax breaks to the wealthy. Who cares! They are not trying to tax the middle class or the poor. What does more damage? Taxing the middle class or allowing the rich to keep more of their money.
 
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In a ideal world I am in favour of spreading a fair distribution of wealth/income. The basic wages in both countries are very low imho.
We have had CEOs on huge wages that have ruined the companies they worked for. So big salaries doesn't necessarily mean they are all doing a great job. For instance the CEOs of the COOP bank and The Royal Bank of Scotland were completely inept and in my view should have been fined for gross incompetence. But oh no they disappeared off with big pensions too. Friends in high places ? The £16m per year CEO of Barclays Bank was found out to be acting in such a crooked method he was sacked. An American who probably has settled in somewhere else.

Distribute the rewards fairly imho.
 
@TexasRangersFan

Where on Earth did you find that video?

There are several gems like this on youtube.

Her mental capacity is as limited as her social skills.

Worst boss

In 2011 she was reported to have one of the highest staff turnovers in Congress and to be one of the worst bosses. The Huffington Post and Houston Chronicle reported that she had gone through 11 chiefs of staff in 11 years.[17][18] In 2011 she was named as one of the "worst bosses in Washington" by "Daily Caller."[19] The Huffington Post stated that "Jackson Lee regularly appears on Washingtonian magazine's list of the “Best and Worst of Congress” as the “meanest” member of House of Representatives."[17][20] That reputation as the worst boss on Capitol Hill continued; in 2012 Washingtonian again listed her as the meanest member of the House,[21] a report in 2013 concluded that "the veteran Texas Democrat had the highest turnover rate for all of Congress over the past decade."[22]

Jackson Lee has urged better relations between the U.S. and Venezuela, which she describes as a friendly nation. She said the U.S. should reconsider its ban on selling F-16 fighter jets and spare parts to that country. The U.S. State Department bans such sales due to "lack of support" for counter-terrorist operations and Venezuela's relations with Iran and Cuba.[26][2


Jackson Lee compared the Tea Party to the KKK.[33]

In 1997, while on a trip to the Mars Pathfinder operations center in California, Jackson Lee confused the planet Mars with Earth's own moon, asking whether the Pathfinder had succeeded in taking a picture of the flag planted on Mars by Neil Armstrong in 1969.[40]


Hurricane naming
Jackson Lee complained in 2003 that storm names were too white. “All racial groups should be represented,” she said, and asked officials to “try to be inclusive of African-American names.”[41]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Jackson_Lee
 
Phew that Philipino President certainly didn't mince his words about Obama. He called his mother a rude name. Is this the Trump effect falling on another ?
 
In a ideal world I am in favour of spreading a fair distribution of wealth/income. The basic wages in both countries are very low imho.
We have had CEOs on huge wages that have ruined the companies they worked for. So big salaries doesn't necessarily mean they are all doing a great job. For instance the CEOs of the COOP bank and The Royal Bank of Scotland were completely inept and in my view should have been fined for gross incompetence. But oh no they disappeared off with big pensions too. Friends in high places ? The £16m per year CEO of Barclays Bank was found out to be acting in such a crooked method he was sacked. An American who probably has settled in somewhere else.

Distribute the rewards fairly imho.

I'm not sure if you will ever get it, but wages, like all other resources, are distributed according to supply and demand. There are more people on earth who can serve drinks in a bar than who can perform open heart surgery. You of all people should understand this simple concept as a result of your never ending quest to find a coder who will program your fortune making automation system. Would you pay a barber the same amount as you pay a coder? Fair means that two people doing the same job get paid the same, it does not mean that a bartender should earn the same amount as the CEO of a FTSE 100 company.
 
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