See, things can actually be discussed in a mature and open way. Especially if one accepts that even though one may have a differing view, it may not be "wrong"(for want of a better word) and worthy of ridicule.
Ones view may be 100% wrong - no more so in the world of trading :idea:
I Had taken you to mean the concept of Realisation as discussed and applied to the realm of Spiritual Ability. If this is not what you are referring to then this discussion holds little interest to me. Mind you, that is not meant as any sort of insult. I mean only that I posted in this thread because I was under the impression that was the topic being refered to and if it isn't then I will refrain from the discussion.
Thought is the ONLY Spiritual Ability - therefore Thought, and more importantly, The Process of Thought, is what brings about Realisations :idea:
I agree totally.
My point was Intellectual understanding of the idea of Realisation as it applies to Spiritual Ability is totally different to living Realisation.
It is only different because the way that ones lives is - Forced Living - so as to speak. In order to fully understand anything, IMHO, we must look to the past for Guidance, but as the majority of our past has been Corrupted, then the look must be very selective. This in itself, is one of the greatest of Realisations.
Words, as you say, are used to express mans awareness. Whether that awareness is limited or not depends on the individual.
But the meaning of the "Words" are no more than the views of certain people, most of whom, in the past, were forced to write what they did, instead of writing what they actually thought themselves.
Words are all we have and as such are the only tool we can use to attempt to impart an intellectual understanding of the concept of Realisation as it applies to Spiritual Ability. As you say, intellectual understanding is an important part of basic understanding. It falls far short of living Realisation though.
That is your opinion - which is based on your "Learning", which has been handed down from Generations of Power & Domination - it is not my opinion - far from it, actually, but in order for me to express my opinion, in "Words", so as to speak, it would require me to write many, many, pages, for the Jigsaw has many, many parts.
I am unsure what you mean by words being empty vessels. I am also unsure as to what you mean by saying that this is not by chance but rather by design.
As above - Generations of Power & Domination
If you mean that words are designed to be confusing and not to truly impart knowledge then I must disagree with you. Words are words. How one uses those words will decide if they are empty words or words full of knowledge.
Not the "Words" in themselves, but how the "Words" are arranged for to convey the message to the masses.
If, however, you mean that words are empty of wisdom then I do agree. Widsom can only be gained through the internalising and understanding of knowledge and experience.
As this is a trading forum - the most important thing, IMHO, is Experience. All the "Words", in the many, many, books, again do nothing but confuse the confused. This is done for many reasons, some of which are unknown to many, but the most noticeable for many will be Profits from the selling of these "Words". Now, take "Experience", no "Word" will allow one to become consciously aware of what is happening, when the Ding Dong starts, and Quasimodo rings that bell as loud as he can, and the ensuing collective actions that will follow, some of which are planned, well in advance, but which, are unknown to many, only the very few, and in order to come to this Realisation, which the majority fail to do, for reasons I have stated, many many times, it requires very serious thinking indeed, for it defies all logic, hence, the majority will always be the majority, for the majority work on logic, not on intuition, thanks to our previous Generations of SO CALLED Wisdom.
1: As I specifically told you I am was not asking for your definition or explaination of Realisation, so I will not give you mine.
I have given many hints in this reply
2: Real "words of wisdom"(I use that term in the hope we can both agree upon it's accepted meaning) are readily available to all. They are there for any who wish to read them. Further to that, no de-ciphering is required. True "words of wisdom" resonate with the inner being and are recognised as truth immediately. Further pondering of those words may grant greater insight into them but this is not required for immediate recognition of their value. Should any de-ciphering be required that in itself is an indecation they are not true "words of wisdom."
De-ciphering is always required - and it is required because the REAL WORDS OF WISDOM have been hidden for many centuries, and the reason that they were hidden has been stated many, many times, and that is, and will always be - Power & Domination of The Majority By The Few.
Do you think I tell Lies - for I am unable to tell Lies - and until one comes to the Realisation that Lies will stop you from learning anything of value, then one is doomed to walk the path of Ignorance for eternity.
TRUTH is the only TRUE Realisation that will allow one to fulfil their purpose in life, and the purpose of every human being, whether they know it or not, is to live in harmony with Mother Nature - and I do not mean our hippy friends talk, or cults, or any other such mumbo jumbo nonsense. When I talk of Mother Nature, I speak of the Universal Laws, the Cosmic Plan, the all ever present Ether that fills all space, everywhere, and this is not rubbish, this is far from rubbish, for very thought that was ever thought is still in existence, just waiting for the INDIVIDUAL CONSCIOUSNESS to come to this REALISATION:
BUT - coming to this Realisation is just the beginning, for knowing about the Universal Immutable Laws, and complying with them, is two completely different things, and this is what it is really all about, for THOUGHT WITHOUT ACTION is as much use as an uprooted plant which has its roots on the surface of the ground - The Law Of Use and Nourishment is all around, but the Plant World, which naturally surmounts the Mineral World, has been turned upside down, so as to speak, and this is exactly what is happening to the majority of mankind, but, what the majority fail to see, is that Man, by the Fact that he is a conscious being, not like the Plant, has the means whereby he can change anything he so desires - hence, the Rolling Stone, and that is only the beginning, for the real journey only starts with a BELIEF in the Fundamental Truths, and without this Belief, one may as well be piddling against the wind, for they will get nowhere, ever, and the reason they will get nowhere is simple, because the Universal Laws are Immutable, and they can not be changed by anyone, EVER.
Obey the Laws or suffer the consequences - the choice is yours - always has been - always will be - BUT - and this is the best part - these Laws have been around since the Law of Attraction caused the first single cell amoeba to evolve into the first conscious being - and throughout all evolution, the Laws have operated the same, second by second, and when Man evolved to the stage where the Laws were fully understood, by the Few, then we started to develop what are called Societies, and we all know what happened next - just look to History for the Facts.
Cheers,
PKFFW
