Should vendors only be allowed to post a 'vendor section'

[The Leopard]

Proving profitability is almost impossible if the individual concerned is determined to behave without integrity.

This is true.

There are so many dodges and cons (most of which should be perfectly obvious for those willing to give the matter a moment's thought) that as you say proving profitability really is worth little. It is so easy to fake - as, for that matter are live calls for the most part.

With regard to Toast, I feel I should say something. He's a vendor, so to some extent 'nuff said. But in fairness, he's a lot better than the vast majority of them. He's not charging 50 grand for punching tortoises, and he doesn't go around plundering Nazi Germany for their 89 secrets of Panzer trading.

Of course he has his ulterior motives, and sometimes these become a bit blatant and a bit tiresome. I think on these occasions they also affect the quality of his posts.

However, he does actively contribute, and much of what he does is interesting or amusing. Most of all, he talks about an approach that the forum really does need more of, and that most members ignore (because there's no ladder with SB and forex bucket shops). So this can bring a greater variety and more depth (boom tish) to discussions.

In all honesty as well, I just quite like him, and suspect I would do in real life. This is in contrast to most vendorscum, who (pace those who believe in giving chances) are obviously reptilian in their loathsomeness. Just take one look at the Poopy Slapper, or the bunch of Australians who cannot be named. Honestly, can anyone here say that after taking one look at that lot they would be happy to give them their money? I very much doubt it.

The average vendorscum is someone I would not p1ss on if they were on fire (although I might if they weren't). They are obviously so and like I say their defenders would almost certainly feel the same if it was their own money at stake. Other people's money - well, that's a different story of course.

But Toast, whatever his faults, is certainly not in that category and overall I think his contribution to the site is positive. That said, I hope this does not dampen the war between him and CD, which is just the kind of lulz that keeps drawing me back here.

 

[ChocolateDigestive]

shirley the best way forward is to have a traders only section (no vendors) and a vendors section with smart/active mods policing the divide. That way T2W can promote more vendors, cut more deals with vendors, the vendors can post all they like in their section. Then keep the trader's only section vendor free. If someone wishes to visit the vendor section they are free to do so.

shirley then the quality of discussion can improve and the T2W can profit commercially from the vendors (which it has to).

 

[the hare]

shirley the best way forward is to have a traders only section (no vendors) and a vendors section with smart/active mods policing the divide. That way T2W can promote more vendors, cut more deals with vendors, the vendors can post all they like in their section. Then keep the trader's only section vendor free. If someone wishes to visit the vendor section they are free to do so.

shirley then the quality of discussion can improve and the T2W can profit commercially from the vendors (which it has to).

The vendor cess pit idea has always been disregarded on the basis that it would be prejudicial to 2 particular vendors.

This might sound rather bizarre but I would much rather see t2w taking a far tougher commercial line. Why should some scroat of a vendor get to hunt in a target rich environment without t2w taking a slice of the action ?

They need to be juicing the vendors and getting them to part with a slice of their ill gotten gains. Everyone would know the score, everyone would understand that any recommendation was being made on the basis of commercial gain only.

The one sticking point however, is vendors dont like to pay for advertising, and they'll abuse the set up

 

[pboyles]

and a vendors section with smart/active mods policing the divide. That way T2W can promote more vendors, cut more deals with vendors, the vendors can post all they like in their section. Then keep the trader's only section vendor free. If someone wishes to visit the vendor section they are free to do so.
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...and what's going to happen when the fox gets into that particular chicken coop and starts exposing some embarrassing facts?

 

[The Leopard]

The vendor cess pit idea has always been disregarded on the basis that it would be prejudicial to 2 particular vendors.

This might sound rather bizarre but I would much rather see t2w taking a far tougher commercial line. Why should some scroat of a vendor get to hunt in a target rich environment without t2w taking a slice of the action ?

They need to be juicing the vendors and getting them to part with a slice of their ill gotten gains. Everyone would know the score, everyone would understand that any recommendation was being made on the basis of commercial gain only.

The one sticking point however, is vendors dont like to pay for advertising, and they'll abuse the set up

I wonder though. The problem with this is so many vendorscum are blatant con artists. Now, we are constantly told that websites are potentially liable for stuff that they host.

If T2W gets too close to the vendorscum (taking a direct slice of the action, for example) do you think it possible that disgruntled victims of training and systems could come after the site? After all, if T2W could be shown to have actively promoted something that reasonably informed persons (as the guys at T2W should be) should instantly recognise as at least potentially fraudulent, is it possible they could have some liability?

Especially if they had been shown to delete critical posts and so on. I am not sure, but a clearly-marked cesspit for the vendorscum to hawk their unlovely wares, something that is explicitly arms length from the site and carrying absolutely no endorsement, might be safer.

 

[The Leopard]

...and what's going to happen when the fox gets into that particular chicken coop and starts exposing some embarrassing facts?

It'll get deleted.

 

[DionysusToast]

Proving profitability is almost impossible if the individual concerned is determined to behave without integrity.

This is quite true.

So - let's consider an individual on T2W.

Our own Robster970.

He's not a teacher, he posts on a log here, he doesn't post before the event or during a trade. Something that is totally bloody sensible because he is focused on the trades.

So - would anyone like to call Robster970 a liar? That he is fabricating his trades?

If not - why not?

I can tell you why I am 100% sure that Robster is legit. Sometimes he'll post that he's done and I'll know already where he got in. Just last week he posted that he was done and I was going to post the price I thought he'd got in. I was right to the tick, although by the time I'd thought about it, he'd already posted.

Yesterday he totally bested me on a trade & fair enough because the guy has some balls on him.

It's hard to know 100% if someone is legit - but when someone does what you do, especially someone like Robster who does it better than I do... well -you just know they are walking the walk.

Now - of course, could I have a valid opinion on a guy trading crude calendar spreads? Of course not but then again I don't try to.

I am sure many will find fault with this. Not Hare particularly but others. All I can ask is what is it that you are doing to give people pointers?

Telling them it's all on the internet and that they can find it themselves?

 

[DionysusToast]

But Toast, whatever his faults, is certainly not in that category and overall I think his contribution to the site is positive. That said, I hope this does not dampen the war between him and CD, which is just the kind of lulz that keeps drawing me back here.

Thanks for that post, Sir. I've put the usual amount in your paypal account.

To be honest - I presume that me & CD will be friends in a few weeks, fall out in about a month, be mates again in 2 months and probably have a family by the end of the year.

That's how it is with opinionated a$$holes - which we both clearly are. There is merely a 2nd deviation divergence right now and a reversion to mean will occur in due course.

To be honest, it's not a bad trait in a trader IMO - stops you going off on tangents.

 

[ChocolateDigestive]

This is quite true.

So - let's consider an individual on T2W.

Our own Robster970.

He's not a teacher, he posts on a log here, he doesn't post before the event or during a trade. Something that is totally bloody sensible because he is focused on the trades.

So - would anyone like to call Robster970 a liar? That he is fabricating his trades?

If not - why not?

I can tell you why I am 100% sure that Robster is legit. Sometimes he'll post that he's done and I'll know already where he got in. Just last week he posted that he was done and I was going to post the price I thought he'd got in. I was right to the tick, although by the time I'd thought about it, he'd already posted.

Yesterday he totally bested me on a trade & fair enough because the guy has some balls on him.

It's hard to know 100% if someone is legit - but when someone does what you do, especially someone like Robster who does it better than I do... well -you just know they are walking the walk.

Now - of course, could I have a valid opinion on a guy trading crude calendar spreads? Of course not but then again I don't try to.

I am sure many will find fault with this. Not Hare particularly but others. All I can ask is what is it that you are doing to give people pointers?

Telling them it's all on the internet and that they can find it themselves?

wtf are you babbling on about. nobody has any issues with Robster, it is clear that he is a real trader, trading every day he is not selling anything, no hidden agenda, no indicators for sale. Once again you try to legitimize yourself as a real profitable trader by stating that you knew where Robster was trading to the tick. all in all this is quite bizarre.

 

[The Leopard]

This is quite true.

So - let's consider an individual on T2W.

Our own Robster970.

He's not a teacher, he posts on a log here, he doesn't post before the event or during a trade. Something that is totally bloody sensible because he is focused on the trades.

So - would anyone like to call Robster970 a liar? That he is fabricating his trades?

If not - why not?

I can tell you why I am 100% sure that Robster is legit. Sometimes he'll post that he's done and I'll know already where he got in. Just last week he posted that he was done and I was going to post the price I thought he'd got in. I was right to the tick, although by the time I'd thought about it, he'd already posted.

Yesterday he totally bested me on a trade & fair enough because the guy has some balls on him.

It's hard to know 100% if someone is legit - but when someone does what you do, especially someone like Robster who does it better than I do... well -you just know they are walking the walk.

Now - of course, could I have a valid opinion on a guy trading crude calendar spreads? Of course not but then again I don't try to.

I am sure many will find fault with this. Not Hare particularly but others. All I can ask is what is it that you are doing to give people pointers?

Telling them it's all on the internet and that they can find it themselves?

This is one of the things I like about you - you can have a good discussion. I also quite like that you're able to have a good row without bearing a grudge, and that's important to me, because I can have an argument in an empty room .

I think you're right about Robster, he seems like a genuine guy, and I have a similar experience of him. Like this, it's hard to know 100% if Robster is using rent boys - but when someone does what you do, especially someone like Robster who does it better than I do... well -you just know they are walking the walk.

As for "it's all on the internet", that on the face of it might not be especially helpful. Maybe it is all on the internet, but then again so probably is a full Noah's Ark of porn. I think there are a few books around that are far more useful than internet, so people could be directed there instead I suppose.

I made a post earlier mentioning something Arabian had said - essentially that all one needs really is a few basic principles, and then the rest is up to you.

I think there's a lot of truth in this, and that the learning process is almost as important as what you actually learn. Certainly it was to me, because I think the difficulty in trading really isn't the knowing, it's the doing. Most can only get that part through experience and serious thought. To that extent, paying someone to train you might actually be detrimental, even if their information is good.

 

[The Leopard]

Thanks for that post, Sir. I've put the usual amount in your paypal account.

To be honest - I presume that me & CD will be friends in a few weeks, fall out in about a month, be mates again in 2 months and probably have a family by the end of the year.

That's how it is with opinionated a$$holes - which we both clearly are. There is merely a 2nd deviation divergence right now and a reversion to mean will occur in due course.

To be honest, it's not a bad trait in a trader IMO - stops you going off on tangents.

I hope peace will eventually be restored, even though I've been laughing my a$$ off at the fighting .

You're probably right about good traits for trading. They are probably not so good in many other walks of life.

But being as you put it "an opinionated aSShole", being bloody-minded, being brutally cynical, all these things I think can be very helpful.

 

[robster970]

I hope peace will eventually be restored, even though I've been laughing my a$$ off at the fighting .

You're probably right about good traits for trading. They are probably not so good in many other walks of life.

But being as you put it "an opinionated aSShole", being bloody-minded, being brutally cynical, all these things I think can be very helpful.

Oi, it's 14:24 - stop p issing around on here and get ready for work...

 

[The Leopard]

Oi, it's 14:24 - stop p issing around on here and get ready for work...

I am already doing so.

By the way, I like how you comment on that and not the comment about using the services of gay sex-workers.

 

[robster970]

I am already doing so.

By the way, I like how you comment on that and not the comment about using the services of gay sex-workers.

That's because my opinions on that subject are already widely known.....

 

[rsh01]

Now - of course, could I have a valid opinion on a guy trading crude calendar spreads? Of course not but then again I don't try to.

who is? i thought that trade died last year.

 

[Pat494]

I like vendors who will be honest enough to post trades, like DT. Then we can see if his posturings measure up.
There are so many absolute fibbers on the net. I mean claiming 99% right ! Ridiculous!! No proof either.
Some vendors pick a chart where the product worked. It must be up to date imho to get around this dodge.
I mean really, they take us for complete gullible fools.

 

[DionysusToast]

Oi, it's 14:24 - stop p issing around on here and get ready for work...

yes, dad.

 

[DionysusToast]

who is? i thought that trade died last year.

He's a hypothetical person used to make a point.

He's probably moved onto something else now.

 

[DionysusToast]

That's because my opinions on that subject are already widely known.....

My missus has finished knitting you that 2 piece by the way.

 

[The Leopard]

My missus has finished knitting you that 2 piece by the way.

Extra-tight in the crotch area, right? To prevent rattling?