Martin: You continually use the term “problem, reaction, solution”. For those readers
who are not aware what that is, would you explain?
Icke: It’s the most powerful mass-manipulation technique that has been used over
thousands of years to advance this agenda to central, globalized control of all institutions of
our lives. Kosovo, Bosnia, all of these different manipulated wars and problems—the
Oklahoma City bombing, people going crazy with guns around the world, in schools and stuff,
these are classic expressions of this.
If you want to introduce something like gun control, I think on gun control we got
manipulated into the wrong debate. Whether guns are good, or whether guns are bad is
actually a debate worth having, but it’s not the crucial debate at this moment because what’s
happened by pulling us into this debate of “are guns good or are guns bad?” is that it has
actually diverted people from the debate which we should actually be having in light of these
events—which is why we have this pattern all over the world.
Because I travel a lot, I tell you, it’s happening everywhere, people going crazy with guns,
shooting people in the streets or schools, and then immediately legislation being proposed to
take guns out of circulation. People should remember that gun laws were introduced in
Germany just before Hitler started filling concentration camps.
I don’t have guns. I wouldn’t use guns. I’m not into guns. I don’t see the point in
meeting violence with violence because you get twice the violence. But we need to get street
wise. Some people would use guns, and on the face of it, it will be easier to take over an
unarmed population than an armed population, on the face of it. That’s not actually true, but
on the face of it that appears to be true. And, therefore, what better than taking guns out of
circulation before you’ve had your final coup, if you like. So, “problem, reaction, solution”
overcomes the situation in which, if you introduced what you want to introduce, openly, then
you know that it would be so unpopular that you would get tremendous resistance to it.
For instance, if you wanted to give more power to the police, more power to the military,
more power to stop and search, more power to go into your homes without permission, etc.,
and you did that openly without any of this other incentive-manipulation, there’d be
tremendous resistance from people who say, “This is a global, fascist state!” or “This is a
fascist country! You mustn’t do this; we’re not having it!” So “problem, reaction, solution”
overcomes this. It’s a brilliant technique, very simple, and it means that not only do you
avoid such opposition, you actually manipulate people who would normally oppose what you
want, to see it as the only solution to the problems that have been created and demand you
introduce it.
So, in Stage One, you create a problem. You make sure, however, someone else is
blamed for it—a Timothy McVeigh, a Lee Harvey Oswald...