You must be on a wind up, MUST be.
The idea that one bank or small group of banks will 'win all the monies' in the fx market is beyond schoolboy ridiculous. Honestly I had interns from first year Uni who understood this stuff with more clarity than you do...
Are you saying that intraday moves are by prop traders alone....? You can't sit there in your cave making this stuff up and then stating it as definite fact. Eurgh, you're using small timeframe exchange product logic to explain moves in the fx market. Did Al Brooks do this to you? Even he knows there are many participants in the fx market who are not seeking direct profit from that trade. A significant number of large client orders are hedges.
What is with this 1 million retail traders nonsense? You mean retail traders that have ever opened an account because they see fxpro on a fkin Fulham shirt? They don't provide any volume and are irrelevant. The regularly active number is nowhere near that. The US is by far the biggest retail market with just under 100k -
http://forexmagnates.com/exclusive-q3-2013-us-retail-forex-broker-profitability-report-ib-1/ - and the average account size is pitiful even if you account for those 'active' accounts.
DB are the biggest non sovereign player in the FX market - you can see their Q3 statement if you like, it's a public document. There you will find that despite facilitating the most volume in both prop and agency, their
total trading activities (so not just fx) net them less than half a billion quid a quarter. Maybe it's because you're giving away the secrets of the Pharaohs away on your thread and squeezing everyone else out of the game.
Hi Random
These last comments from you are actually showing you are living in the past Forex commercial world of pre 2007 to about 2009.
The only real point I would agree with you on is Deutsche Bank being probably the largest player in the Forex markets with latest estimates - depending on who you want to believe - with them having somewhere between 15.8 % and 22% of the total market volume.
I will attach a file with a breakdown of cake share - surprised GS so low really but not surprised that just 5 or 6 Banks have over 50% market share.
Now on to the bit you don't seem to have much clue about - ie the retail section of the Forex world.
Latest estimates from 2012 / 13 say retail account for between 8% and 11% of total market share - depending on who's stats
In terms of numbers - the market is unregulated as you know - but now the US is way behind - mainly due to all the financial problems there as well as broker / trader regulation changes on leverage etc etc.
Yet again - depending on who you want to believe - there is estimates of between 1.5 million to 2.6 million retail traders trading through 1000's of brokers world wide.
The US population only account for 5% of the 7+ trillion world population - and with the fast growth in new emerging forex markets including India, Russia and other areas in the Far East - Retail as been growing fast. ( God know's why ???)
So forget US FXCM etc retail dominance etc - there's nearly 200 counties forex trading in the retail market - with many illegally and of course through non regulated brokers who just don't have to report their figures to any WW board.
When I came into retail forex trading - the total market was approx 2.5 -3 trillion dollars in size and it was supposed to have grown five fold from the mid 1990's
Nowadays estimates range on the total forex market being between 4 and 5 trillion dollars - ie the largest financial market in the world - but with it being unregulated how many billions going through are from illegal sources including drug smuggling and money laundering activities- nobody really know ;-)
I personally don't think there are over 2 million retail forex traders who trade at least every quarter. In 2002 estimates were under half a million then - but with now retail accounting for between 8-11% of this new increased markets - compared to less than 6% of a smaller size in 2000.
Anyway - back to numbers again - my favourite ;-)
Even if there are only 750k retail world forex traders - ie Under half of latest estimates - then the top 5% who would being making profits consistently would be approx 37-38000 traders in total .
Every month - thousands leave the industry - either giving up or losing their monies - but then as you know 1000's are starting off on their own forex trading journey all around the World
The Industry worry about this high "churn rate" - but as we know its there own fault for selling the "dream" and the regulators just believing all the banks etc that there is no manipulation and HFT is good for liquidity and is helpful for keeping spreads so low etc etc. Yes normal commercial BS.
See attachment - but still now 2 years out of date
Regards
F