Crime and punishment

[timsk]

Hi c_v,

Nothing to do with Trident, which may well be a monumental waste of money, but as long as other powers have nukes, then so should we.

Unilateral disarmament arguments are just nonsense. All of them.

Needless to say, I disagree! I've never heard any arguments in favour of having nuclear weapons that make even a modicum of sense: they are just nonsense. All of them.

On North Korea, as far as we are concerned, it is of no consequence to us whatsoever. The situation is not One of UK v N Korea in some kind of nuclear exchange. This is just fantasy thinking. China and the wider region need to monitor the situation and act if required.

Oh, no argument from me on this c_v., I merely used N. Korea as an example of a state that has - or is likely to have - nuclear weapons and mad enough to use them. The point is - we're not (mad enough) - so there's no point having them. And even if we had a PM who was - no possible good could come from it - so there'd be no point deploying them.

Meanwhile, nutters are killing civilians on our streets and the the argument about how to combat the problem is - to a greater or lesser extent - based around resources and funding. Both problems could be sorted in an instant by getting rid of Trident.

If N Korea needed to be taken down, the way to do it would be intelligence lead backed up by some kind of air armed force to neutralise and contain any attempted missile launches, whilst at the same time, take out by whatever means, the N Korean leadership.

Agreed. I think I made a similar point in my previous post. A much better route than nuclear weapons.
Tim.

 

[counter_violent]

Hi c_v,

Needless to say, I disagree! I've never heard any arguments in favour of having nuclear weapons that make even a modicum of sense: they are just nonsense. All of them.


Oh, no argument from me on this c_v., I merely used N. Korea as an example of a state that has - or is likely to have - nuclear weapons and mad enough to use them. The point is - we're not (mad enough) - so there's no point having them. And even if we had a PM who was - no possible good could come from it - so there'd be no point deploying them.

Meanwhile, nutters are killing civilians on our streets and the the argument about how to combat the problem is - to a greater or lesser extent - based around resources and funding. Both problems could be sorted in an instant by getting rid of Trident.


Agreed. I think I made a similar point in my previous post. A much better route than nuclear weapons.
Tim.

We can't uninvent them and so if we were to unilaterally disarm then who would you have keep the peace? Russia, USA, Pakistan, France.
There is zero chance that we or any other nuclear power is ever going to unilaterally disarm. So there is no argument.

Even Labour MP's don't agree with nuke free Jeremy, which is why it's in their manifesto to keep them and why he is unfit to be PM.

 

[counter_violent]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40181444

 

[Pat494]

What about COMPENSATION for the victims I hear you mutter ?

Er none that I know of except:-
The NHS bill for looking after the survivors - the taxpayer pays
The extra costs of policing - again the taxpayers cough up.
The funeral costs of the dead - the victim's families fork out for that too.

It's a disgrace !
Largely the politician's fault going back to Blair letting them all in.

There is a terrible sickness in the muslim community and they should at least foot the bills !!

There is also a terrible lack of courage at the very top of this country.

 

[Pat494]

I see Mitch Mconel's posts have gone too ?
Trader333 up to his heavy handed tricks again ?
I expect he will get me banned too, like last year !

 

[Atilla]

I see Mitch Mconel's posts have gone too ?
Trader333 up to his tricks again ?
I expect he will get me banned too, like last year !

I didn't know you were banned? :-0

That's good. I don't feel so bad now for some reason. :cheesy:

 

[Atilla]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40181444

Clever whaffle tricks by the typical Tories to deflect blame. Ofcourse human rights act wasn't the reason for any of the attackers getting through.

Nick Clegg was on Radio 4 this morning highlighting TM role in opposing the LibDem introducing immediate deportation policy if suspect deemed to be on any suspect terrorism risk list until further assessed, when he was deputy PM with Cameron. TM under tories opposed that.

No mention of intel coming from the Italians or the lack of resources to adequately follow up on all these suspects.

So we have no deportation and no resources but just a database to put their names on.


TM and Tories have much to answer for and instead we get this tripe about how it's once again someone else's fault like the EU and their Human Rights legislation forced upon us.


So many deceitful lies and misleading the British public and no accountability in her position when she was the key person who could have done something about it all.


I'm sure Conservatives and UKIP will be lapping it up. It sounds good.


Think about it all you out there. There is truth and then there is deception and lies.

 

[tomorton]

As I understand it, we don't extradite anyone to another country where they might be subject to legally imposed death penalty for offences committed there. What a shambles.

 

[Pat494]

As I understand it, we don't extradite anyone to another country where they might be subject to legally imposed death penalty for offences committed there. What a shambles.

Instead they get decades of being waited on by hand and foot in full board and lodging. About time the soppy old Christian do-gooding changed imho.

I remember Justin Welby's ( the Archbish of C.) remark just after the Paris massacre. He was too busy communing with the trees to comment. Er yea Welby the wet sock.

 

[mike.]

As I understand it, we don't extradite anyone to another country where they might be subject to legally imposed death penalty for offences committed there. What a shambles.

Correct, the court of human rights fought Theresa May all the way in a 10 year battle to deport some suspected terrorists...She did persevere with Abu Qatada though and managed to send him back to jordan....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/07/judges-stop-theresa-may-deporting-terror-suspects/

All the more reason to VOTE CONSERVATIVE TOMORROW.....

 

[Pat494]

Correct, the court of human rights fought Theresa May all the way in a 10 year battle to deport some suspected terrorists...She did persevere with Abu Qatada though and managed to send him back to jordan....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/07/judges-stop-theresa-may-deporting-terror-suspects/

All the more reason to VOTE CONSERVATIVE TOMORROW.....

Another good reason to leave the EU while Merkel tries too hard to be human after the Nazi effort.

 

[seekingTruth16]

What about COMPENSATION for the victims I hear you mutter ?

Er none that I know of except:-
The NHS bill for looking after the survivors - the taxpayer pays
The extra costs of policing - again the taxpayers cough up.
The funeral costs of the dead - the victim's families fork out for that too.

It's a disgrace !
Largely the politician's fault going back to Blair letting them all in.

There is a terrible sickness in the muslim community and they should at least foot the bills !!

There is also a terrible lack of courage at the very top of this country.

The problem with monetizing these crimes is the incentive it creates. Look at the privatisation of US prisons (which is coming to UK as well). Children being put in jail for near enough nothing, creates a nice earner for the private prison owners. Judges receiving payoffs to hand out sentences etc.

It's not so much a problem with the muslim community as it is a problem with human nature. There will always be an element that is unhappy with their lot and rather than take hard steps to improve their life, they'd much rather ruin the lives of others.

There will always be destructive people.

 

[dbphoenix]

Instead they get decades of being waited on by hand and foot in full board and lodging. About time the soppy old Christian do-gooding changed imho.

Only a step or so away from becoming a jihadist.

 

[counter_violent]

Clever whaffle tricks by the typical Tories to deflect blame. Ofcourse human rights act wasn't the reason for any of the attackers getting through.

Nick Clegg was on Radio 4 this morning highlighting TM role in opposing the LibDem introducing immediate deportation policy if suspect deemed to be on any suspect terrorism risk list until further assessed, when he was deputy PM with Cameron. TM under tories opposed that.

No mention of intel coming from the Italians or the lack of resources to adequately follow up on all these suspects.

So we have no deportation and no resources but just a database to put their names on.


TM and Tories have much to answer for and instead we get this tripe about how it's once again someone else's fault like the EU and their Human Rights legislation forced upon us.


So many deceitful lies and misleading the British public and no accountability in her position when she was the key person who could have done something about it all.


I'm sure Conservatives and UKIP will be lapping it up. It sounds good.


Think about it all you out there. There is truth and then there is deception and lies.

Oh the irony.

Are those the same Italians who are busy letting them all in to mainland Europe?

We were only following orders gov.....honest!

 

[counter_violent]

Only a step or so away from becoming a jihadist.

No wonder you ended up with Trump.
Supporters only needed to look across the pond to witness the on going, expanding shambles in Europe.

 

[Pat494]

No wonder you ended up with Trump.
Supporters only needed to look across the pond to witness the on going, expanding shambles in Europe.

The US actually seemed to learn something from Europe in not allowing the tidal wave of immigrants. Ole Trumpy got all the wrong countries to punish though. A sorta 1 out of 10 effort.

 

[dbphoenix]

No wonder you ended up with Trump.
Supporters only needed to look across the pond to witness the on going, expanding shambles in Europe.

And what has caused the "shambles in Europe"?

 

[counter_violent]

And what has caused the "shambles in Europe"?

Where do we start and how long have you got?

 

[tomorton]

And what has caused the "shambles in Europe"?

Left of centre politicians whose constituents are the liberal middle classes, whose clients are subsidy or government spending-dependent, and who believe that every problem has an answer in a new government policy headed by a new government department.

 

[Pat494]

I have been reading about the situation in Venezuela. It is dire. People are starving and armed gangs cruise the streets. And why......?

They had a Socialist idiot called Chavez in power for years !!

So don't vote for our Socialist idiot - Corbyn.