Brexit and the Consequences

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Alo alo alo what have we got here then?

Tory MPs say Theresa May's 'job is safe' after 1922 Committee 'love-in'


Michael Fabricant described the meeting as a "love in". He told reporters: "It wasn't Daniella in the lions' den, it was a petting zoo.

I said that would be the case, Tories have no backbone and are running scared of Corbyn.

 

[timsk]

. . .Michael Fabricant described the meeting as a "love in". He told reporters: "It wasn't Daniella in the lions' den, it was a petting zoo.

Yes indeed, so much for the 1922 committee calling time on Mrs. May's Brexit plans and possibly forcing a leadership contest.

So, it looks like we're going to get a watered down version of her Chequers plan which most Brexiteers and (almost) all remainers don't want. It's certainly not what I voted for. Our only hope now is that those demanding a People's Vote get their way and that 'Remain is an option on the ballot paper. If they do, I'll probably vote to stay in the EU as, IMO, that's a better outcome than leaving in name only. Extremely disappointing. Grrrr!

Tim.

 

[Pat494]

I really don't see why the EU can't just have trading partners without all the regulation and political unification. Being bossed by Brussels wasn't mentioned in Heath's referendum. Surely it is important to be in charge of ones own affairs personally and nationally. The EU and therefore us have been subservient to Merkel and her stupid immigration policies etc. for years.

 

[Atilla]

Yes indeed, so much for the 1922 committee calling time on Mrs. May's Brexit plans and possibly forcing a leadership contest.

So, it looks like we're going to get a watered down version of her Chequers plan which most Brexiteers and (almost) all remainers don't want. It's certainly not what I voted for. Our only hope now is that those demanding a People's Vote get their way and that 'Remain is an option on the ballot paper. If they do, I'll probably vote to stay in the EU as, IMO, that's a better outcome than leaving in name only. Extremely disappointing. Grrrr!

Tim.

That's strange Tim because I had similar thoughts earlier on as you may know, but in the other direction. Being a strong remainer, I felt rather than having a fudge we'd be better off all out, handing control to Brexiteers to see what they could deliver and in 10 or 20 years time dumping Eurosceptics out of Parliament and join back in with some large portion of humble pies.

I feel we'll all be getting plenty of sickening fudge soon. Our just deserts some may say. :whistling

 

[Splitlink]

There is always the possibility ( more than that, from what I am picking up over here) that EU won't want you back if you do leave, so all that will have to be settled before the two years expires.

Don't you think that UK has a bit of a cheek to say "Well , we can always go back in."?

The fact is that the EU can do without more problems and the UK has turned out to be one.

 

[sminicooper]

Yes indeed, so much for the 1922 committee calling time on Mrs. May's Brexit plans and possibly forcing a leadership contest.

So, it looks like we're going to get a watered down version of her Chequers plan which most Brexiteers and (almost) all remainers don't want. It's certainly not what I voted for. Our only hope now is that those demanding a People's Vote get their way and that 'Remain is an option on the ballot paper. If they do, I'll probably vote to stay in the EU as, IMO, that's a better outcome than leaving in name only. Extremely disappointing. Grrrr!

Tim.

If the reports of that meeting are correct then the Conservatives have just confirmed (as if it were needed!) that they lack the decisiveness and foresight to rid themselves of a deceitful, inadequate and useless leader who has achieved the amazing feat of uniting just about everybody against her Brexit plan.

As I see it now, this can only end in a general election sooner rather than later for which the Conservatives have already laid the groundwork for them to lose. I listened to John McDonnell on the Today programme this morning – although he talks a lot of tosh he does in fact sound very plausible – especially to the younger generation (who have never been administered a dose of proper socialism) and those who are brassed off with the Conservatives and just want an alternative. After all, isn't that why so many people voted for Brexit in the 1st place anyway?

I can only see now the worst of all worlds: we leave in name only, we pay them loads of dosh, we have to take their rules and be subject to the ECJ while at the same time we have no say in what goes on. How on earth did we go from a decision to leave to that?

I just wish Attila was right about the Liberals – at least it would have been a 3rd choice but even if they ever turn themselves round (doubtful) it ain't gonna happen in time!

Not a lot to be happy about with Brexit at the moment. Meanwhile, everything else has been put on hold/ignored/swept under the carpet. Crime & policing is in crisis (I'm beginning to sound like Corbyn!). And who was in charge of the police for many years? – Our Lady Theresa and yet incredibly, there doesn't seem to be any public recognition of her connection with the running down of the police force. What kind of government is it that encourages the persecution of "hate crime" i.e. any opinion of mine that is offensive to you, while people are getting knifed daily on the streets and drugs crime is out of control. Younger generation can't get housing but according to this government it's all being dealt with.

I've long thought that such a shambles would bring out at least someone with the ambition and foresight to get the mess sorted out. But for me it's been like putting good money into a Buffet-like quality trade for long-term investment and seeing it go down the tubes.

It all looks rather bleak at the moment.

 

[barjon]

Yes indeed, so much for the 1922 committee calling time on Mrs. May's Brexit plans and possibly forcing a leadership contest.

So, it looks like we're going to get a watered down version of her Chequers plan which most Brexiteers and (almost) all remainers don't want. It's certainly not what I voted for. Our only hope now is that those demanding a People's Vote get their way and that 'Remain is an option on the ballot paper. If they do, I'll probably vote to stay in the EU as, IMO, that's a better outcome than leaving in name only. Extremely disappointing. Grrrr!

Tim.

There’s still the hard option, Tim. Albeit that it’s a bit like throwing yourself off Beachy Head and hoping the current will drift you to sunny shores rather than dashing you on the rocks.

We’d have to ring fence UK, though, with proper movement and customs control between us and them. You can’t fudge that.

 

[sminicooper]

I really don't see why the EU can't just have trading partners without all the regulation and political unification. Being bossed by Brussels wasn't mentioned in Heath's referendum. Surely it is important to be in charge of ones own affairs personally and nationally. The EU and therefore us have been subservient to Merkel and her stupid immigration policies etc. for years.

That's a nice idea and was what Edward Heath conned voters into thinking that's what they were getting when the 1st referendum voted to join. As we now know, the EU is a socialist project (and to be fair they always said that right from the start) played out through economics – done correctly it can be a very powerful force.

 

[barjon]

".............I've long thought that such a shambles would bring out at least someone with the ambition and foresight to get the mess sorted out. But for me it's been like putting good money into a Buffet-like quality trade for long-term investment and seeing it go down the tubes.

It all looks rather bleak at the moment. ........................

Unfortunately they are mostly career politicians nowadays so the ambition is more about their careers than about the best interests of us and our country. It all started to go wrong when they started to get paid During my forty years in harness I watched MPs’ salaries rise over five Civil Service grades to become a well paid and sought after job.

 

[trendie]

Yes indeed, so much for the 1922 committee calling time on Mrs. May's Brexit plans and possibly forcing a leadership contest.

So, it looks like we're going to get a watered down version of her Chequers plan which most Brexiteers and (almost) all remainers don't want. It's certainly not what I voted for. Our only hope now is that those demanding a People's Vote get their way and that 'Remain is an option on the ballot paper. If they do, I'll probably vote to stay in the EU as, IMO, that's a better outcome than leaving in name only. Extremely disappointing. Grrrr!

Tim.

I don't understand the idea of a "Peoples Vote".
The referendum was a peoples vote, wasn't it?
As are all general election votes, and local elections.

What specific section of the electorate were denied a voice in the referendum, do you think?

Do you mean "Buyers Remorse Vote"?
"Morning After Vote" maybe?

 

[sminicooper]

I don't understand the idea of a "Peoples Vote".
The referendum was a peoples vote, wasn't it?
As are all general election votes, and local elections.

What specific section of the electorate were denied a voice in the referendum, do you think?

Do you mean "Buyers Remorse Vote"?
"Morning After Vote" maybe?

Agree with your comments – we all know that they use that terminology because they want to fool us into thinking that they are democrats who accept the result of the referendum as the will of the people. The truth is is the opposite. They want another referendum in the best traditions of the EU where you keep voting until eventually you come to the required result.

 

[barjon]

Agree with your comments – we all know that they use that terminology because they want to fool us into thinking that they are democrats who accept the result of the referendum as the will of the people. The truth is is the opposite. They want another referendum in the best traditions of the EU where you keep voting until eventually you come to the required result.

I think it’s a little less tortuous than that. Wasn’t it born by the initiators wanting people to ratify (or not) the deal (if any) cooked up by the politicians. Sort of people vs politicians

 

[sminicooper]

I think it’s a little less tortuous than that. Wasn’t it born by the initiators wanting people to ratify (or not) the deal (if any) cooked up by the politicians. Sort of people vs politicians

You've probably put your finger on it! Silly me, I used to think that the politicians represented us and worked on our behalf

 

[johnwood123]

I think that Brexit will the begging of the end for UK. If Teresa May can`t make a deal with EU it will be epic disaster.

 

[counter_violent]

Lord Sugar: I could have swung EU referendum

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45971643






The biggest pile of nonsense seen to date. Kinell, what an absolute plonker.

 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45971643













The biggest pile of nonsense seen to date. Kinell, what an absolute plonker.

Lets hope he takes up the mantle if there is another referendum, guaranteed to stay out [emoji23]

 

[Atilla]

I don't understand the idea of a "Peoples Vote".
The referendum was a peoples vote, wasn't it?
As are all general election votes, and local elections.

What specific section of the electorate were denied a voice in the referendum, do you think?

Do you mean "Buyers Remorse Vote"?
"Morning After Vote" maybe?

The referendum was anything but a peoples vote!

It was a David Cameron's initiative to ensure Tories remained in power and prevent the party bleeding votes to UKIP. It has succeeded in doing that too. Mission accomplished.

Eurosceptics have always been around Tories ankles snapping away. Other previous PM's weren't daft enough to ask the public. DC ballsed it up.

UKIP like mad hatters party or extreme looney left party a fringe operator. One trick pony.

The referendum was very badly constructed. Debates, lies, deceits and scare mongering farcical. The outcome is quite clear as it unfolds as we live history.

I see it a bit like setting out to cross the Atlantic on a dingy. Well we started let's just get on with it no turning back approach.

To proceed against all the advice and hurdles coming our way without any recourse to deliberation, consideration, reflection, call it what you willl is just blind obstinate stupidity.

Democracy is never a one vote and over business. Especially such an important matter. Has anybody here never made a decision and changed mind thinking otherwise?

Back in 1975 it was a similar story. Two referendums.

I am absolutely stunned and shocked by the obstinate course debate in UK has taken post referendum. Animal farm indeed. No leadership. Wannabee tosspots queueing up for PM role. People emotionally charged up about terrorists and paedophiles from non-EU countries. It is a farce. Most people coming to see reality dawn on them.

Hopefully, last two years have shown and crystalised what the people of Great Britain are looking at. Brake up of the union and parliament in chaos. Take back control to and do what exactly. Switch free trade away from EU to some other fictitious Commonwealth nations with less disposable incomes and questionable governments and standards. Best plan forward. What a joke! Except it's a recipe for failure.

It should make younger people think about their futures and getting out of their beds to vote as well.

 

[Atilla]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45971643






The biggest pile of nonsense seen to date. Kinell, what an absolute plonker.

I agree with him. He speaks much common sense and the layman can relate to him as I do.

To put Khan up there just gets peoples backs up.

You only have to watch Hollywood movies. The bady is usually not one who looks like us but non-white and ugly. Reinforce racist character types.

Not saying Khan is like that; ugly or bad but you catch my drift. People vote with their prejudices not their heads.

In interviews even if someone is better qualified, skilled and experienced, the body that looks like the interviewer and mimicks body and speech closest including jargon gets the job.

Applying PC to bodies with prejudices campaigning on migrant issue it was not a good pick. :idea:

 

[trendie]

The referendum was anything but a peoples vote!

It was a David Cameron's initiative to ensure Tories remained in power and prevent the party bleeding votes to UKIP. It has succeeded in doing that too. Mission accomplished.
.......
It should make younger people think about their futures and getting out of their beds to vote as well.

I understand your sentiment. I voted remain.
But sticking "peoples" in front of it doesn't make it different, or more worthy.

All political parties go for an election when it suits them.
All elections are calculated maneuvers by the ruling group to capitalize on some event.
I didn't know we had 2 referendums in the 70s. Need to look that up.

Agree about the nonsensical business and free trade BS.
Its like deciding to open a takeaway in London, refusing to cross the road to deliver to locals, but expecting to make money making deliveries to Manchester.

 

[counter_violent]

The referendum was anything but a peoples vote!

Biggest and wisest democratic vote in the UK's long history.

It was a David Cameron's initiative to ensure Tories remained in power and prevent the party bleeding votes to UKIP. It has succeeded in doing that too. Mission accomplished.

Great PM that Cameron chap...i've always thought so.

Eurosceptics have always been around Tories ankles snapping away. Other previous PM's weren't daft enough to ask the public. DC ballsed it up.

Giving the game away here Att. Democracy rules in the UK last I heard.

UKIP like mad hatters party or extreme looney left party a fringe operator. One trick pony.

The only ones brave enough to call out the EU and btw, still the largest group of MEP's in the European parliament. Did they rig the vote or did the sensible people put them there?

The referendum was very badly constructed. Debates, lies, deceits and scare mongering farcical. The outcome is quite clear as it unfolds as we live history.

At last we can agree that the remoaners and their scare tactics were farcical.
The debates were excellent, we ran rings round the lot of you. Btw, where are the leading remoaners now....all done a bunk and the ones that are left are has beens, or never was's.

I see it a bit like setting out to cross the Atlantic on a dingy. Well we started let's just get on with it no turning back approach.

To proceed against all the advice and hurdles coming our way without any recourse to deliberation, consideration, reflection, call it what you willl is just blind obstinate stupidity.

Democracy is never a one vote and over business. Especially such an important matter. Has anybody here never made a decision and changed mind thinking otherwise?

Unfortunately for the remoaners it is just one vote, the same way Scotland got one vote and won't be getting another one anytime soon.

Back in 1975 it was a similar story. Two referendums.

I am absolutely stunned and shocked by the obstinate course debate in UK has taken post referendum. Animal farm indeed. No leadership. Wannabee tosspots queueing up for PM role. People emotionally charged up about terrorists and paedophiles from non-EU countries. It is a farce. Most people coming to see reality dawn on them.

Hopefully, last two years have shown and crystalised what the people of Great Britain are looking at. Brake up of the union and parliament in chaos. Take back control to and do what exactly. Switch free trade away from EU to some other fictitious Commonwealth nations with less disposable incomes and questionable governments and standards. Best plan forward. What a joke! Except it's a recipe for failure.

It should make younger people think about their futures and getting out of their beds to vote as well.

Oh that's right yep....blame the youngsters.