Good job then that it's ultimately "the people" who will decide who has the correct vision, like they did re the referendum vote. So when the dust settles after the victor emerges, Corbyn can emigrate to China.
We could organise a whip round to ensure it happens.
It certainly can be but doesn't need to be - depends on who you're quoting I suppose. Doing it once is enough for me
Good job then that it's ultimately "the people" who will decide who has the correct vision, like they did re the referendum vote. So when the dust settles after the victor emerges, Corbyn can emigrate to China.
We could organise a whip round to ensure it happens.
You and quite a few others really mixing up politics with the national interest of the country here.
More of the same has been rejected cos leave won both the debate and the vote. This issue is done and dusted, in the same way that the Scottish independence issue is done and dusted. The proof if you like, is that Sturgeon has lost 30% of her MP's, so the voters have sent her a clear message. Get on with the day job or at the next election you are history.
Same as with refugee or migrants crises from outside of EU.
I have no idea what point is being made here!
All I can tell you is that the EU doesn't have secure external borders. Everyone in the world knows this and that's why there is a refugee and migrant crisis within Europe. There are a growing number of countries lead by us that are not happy with the way the EU is headed. We are off, make no mistake about that, but some of those countries that wish to stay members are in open defiance of their EU masters. They have seen what happened in Germany, which btw still does not have an agreed government, and they have concluded that such chaos will not happen in their own countries. Some internal borders resemble scenes last seen in WW2, with razor wire fences and armed guards patrolling 24/7. Free movement indeed
fwiw Brexit is purely a national issues not one of politics or non-eu migration. Hence the divide from both sides of the political spectrum that we see.
No it's clearly an international issue. Trump got elected in the US on the very same issues. The politicians have totally failed to deal with people's concerns voiced over many decades and they are now paying the price.
TMs problem is largely to do with disunity as Labour's was in the past.
TM's problem is that she is only a half believer in Brexit. If she starts to waver on her promises to implement a proper Brexit, then she will be history in very short order. People like JRM are being very patient in their endeavors to hold the PM's feet to the fire. This patience will not last forever and especially if the establishment go against the will of the people. Powder keg just waiting for an ignition source.
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So Labour are a unified force under Corbyn and Mc Donnell are they
There are no words, just
The next leader should be one who can unite the party under a single vision. Sadly for that to happen some heads will have to roll. With the votes split 50/50 that's going to be difficult for any party. Here Labour and LibDems have key advantage.
Nobody is buying into you're misinformed rhetoric. LibDems have zero credibility which is why they got wrung out at the last election. There were only Two parties who campaigned to stay in the EU and both got decimated at the last election. Lib Dems and SNP.
Brexiters lack vision. Thus, just from core principal in approach have no credibility other than a very slim protest vote from disenfranchised British losers - on the peripherals of the country and periphery of the EU state. Other than regional grants and subsidies there really is no solution to their Northern gripes. Have to be honest here. There is the Northern Powerhouse project but I really feel that needs LibDems to drive it through with any probability of success.
Nope, Brexiteers are being let down by weak leadership. People sent the message on how they see our country and it's up to the politicians to make it happen. This can only be done by a leader with clear vision and a plan that people will buy in to. Anything else will fail. Regeneration of the North is long overdue.
Few politicians have latched on to this dissenting voice and now in their lust for power have really damaged the UK for next decade or more.
Then there are older - hard to say wiser folk who yearn for the good old days which weren't really that good to be honest. Churchill and Thatcher keeps coming up. Really? Both I recall lead during bad times. To be fair to Churchill he only ever knew war and had to step in as politicians messed up. Thatcher brought about 3m + unemployed homes being possessed and industries shut down so to say they were good times incorrect. Some peeps are off their rocker to think so from my perspective. There is a certain element of 'bloody mindedness" in people who are happy to sacrifice stuff as long as they profit and others bear the burden. Somehow capitalism is able to justify all this in financial reward.
Once again: issue is not political or related to migrants or refugees. EU countries do not have refugee status citizens.
People need to take a step back and look exactly what is being done to the country. Disunity, division and squabling whilst country goes down the pan. Virtually civil war without the casualties. Not good at all.
No solution in sight either.
One last point - some talk of the establishment. Well majority of the political elite are Etonites, rich kids of well to do families with not much experience of real world other than privilage. Difficult for them to come up with anything new outside of the worldly experience.
Very sad indeed. Country is well and truly up the Khyber.
Look, us Brexiteers are not backing down. We will see this through regardless. There is zero chance that we will let our politicians off the hook. Brexit means Brexit.
Look, us Brexiteers are not backing down. We will see this through regardless. There is zero chance that we will let our politicians off the hook. Brexit means Brexit.
Look, us Brexiteers are not backing down. We will see this through regardless. There is zero chance that we will let our politicians off the hook. Brexit means Brexit.
much like the UK demanding a placebo based independence from the EU only to join US at the hip and be buggered by Trump and Dump delivering God only knows what???
There is no backing down or surrender. There is only BAU. How one progresses forward post advisory referendum that is the debate.
Sturgeon, SNP and Scotland is another one of your off-side tangents leading off to outer orbit. Are you able to debate any one topic?
Wrt refugee migrant crises you say you have no idea what I'm talking about and then clearly identify that EU is about free movement of labour which is correct. My point remains that this is a distinct and different discussion point to refugees and migrants from outside of the EU.
Do you not see how the Brexiters are dragging in points of issue which have no bearing on topic of discussion?
Yet you insist "it is clearly an international issue" and talk about Trump and the US. Honestly, level of Brexit self indulgence is trully remarkable. No body gives hoot what the UK thinks or does much like the US. Without been rude from my perspective your posts is a clear indication of delirium inside of your great mind.
UK and US may indeed be a special case and imo a basket case where much like Barcelona or the Catalonians, we witness Catalonia demanding independence from Spain whilst joining the EU as an independent state. Logic of the argument beggars belief.
You say TM is only a half believer. Well she represents the whole country and that's a credit to her having a balanced cabinet. Sadly people of your ilk who bark on about democracy and parliament have a weak hold on what that means. As for her cabinet full of weasels they exemplify the worst in politicians power hungry to play God.
Key and VERY POSITIVE point about Labour is that they have consistently stated their approach, would be one of maintaining jobs and carving a productive role for the UK. Go and ask the young jobless and homeless Brit sleeping rough on the streets what he thinks of Brexit? There is now clear evidence, IDS benefit reform is leading to new unexpected outcomes.
You should also consider that growth in rough sleepers is just the pole end of the spectrum. Number of families and people living off food banks, going hungry so they can feed their children or even children malnourished are all on the increase.
You are witnessing loss of jobs, skewed distribution of income, prohibitive utility costs, sky high transport costs, rising government debt, braking down of social fabric, British giants going bust including Northampton Council and somehow Brexit is the cure and nothing else matters as much as sovereignty which in the same breath you all prepare to trample all over. You know I am left speechless at the blind fury of all you great so called patriots.
Brexit means Brexit, strong and stable leadership indeed the only party who can negotiate the 'Best' deal what ever that is remains a mystery. Here is my forecast for Brexit. Soon, EU will be paying us to leave.
TM just hang on in there a little longer.
Well for starters, the misinformation was most definitely one sided. Some of it was borderline hysterical because they knew the game was up
We don't need to disprove economic projections.
Economic projections are not definitive proof of what will happen. As has been proven beyond all doubt after the referendum vote.
And what's with all this bully boy nonsense. The fact that I can and will argue my case does not make me or people like me "bully boys" The fact that remainers have lost the debate is not my problem, they will just have to deal with it.
