Brexit and the Consequences

[Atilla]

Having said all that soon these private monopolies will be itching for Jeremy Corbyn to renationalise them again.

Hopefully, that'll be after their CEO and management layer heads roll.

Privatised profits and public loss.

Another fine mess indeed...

 

[Signalcalc]

Careful, the snowflakes out there will call you a racist for not wanting to accept economic migrants (oops I mean refugees) of top quality integrity. After all they only shoot at people because they are afraid of competition.

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Snowflakes are just peace lovers. Aren’t they? [emoji883]

 

[Atilla]

Snowflakes are just peace lovers. Aren’t they? [emoji883]

You guys humour your selves bright sparks that you are!

I don't see those as being Europeans. What's that got to do with Brexit?


Hire custom control officers and apply border controls? Nothing wrong with that.


Switch on your grey matter and apply some rational reasoning. :idea:

 

[FXX]

Snowflakes are just peace lovers. Aren’t they? [emoji883]

Nope those are tree huggers

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[Atilla]

Nope those are tree huggers

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Nahhh matey. I'm a tree hugger.

They are your toilet cleaners.

 

[Signalcalc]

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[Atilla]

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No answers?

Good jokes

 

[Signalcalc]

You guys humour your selves bright sparks that you are!

I don't see those as being Europeans. What's that got to do with Brexit?


Hire custom control officers and apply border controls? Nothing wrong with that.


Switch on your grey matter and apply some rational reasoning. :idea:

A very shallow response, customs control officers are the thin end of the thin end.

 

[Atilla]

A very shallow response, customs control officers are the thin end of the thin end.

What do you mean?

Not telepathic. Sorry!

 

[counter_violent]

Yobs must be worried that JRM might get top job. He was invited to speak at the uni, but they had other ideas.....probably members of momentum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42926535

 

[timsk]

Yobs must be worried that JRM might get top job.
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I doubt it c_v, they're UWE students: i.e. they just like shouting a lot!

I was a student there back in the day of humble polytechnics and went on a march when Maggie was education minister. She wanted to shut down art schools on the grounds that artists are a net drain on society rather than net contributes to it. However, she hadn't done her homework and backed down when some whitehall mandarin produced evidence that showed fine art students (which is what I was) were more likely to get full time employment after graduating than graduates with science degrees! "Maggie, Maggie, Maggie - out, out, out" - oh those were the days!
Tim.

 

[sminicooper]

This is a Brexit move, as part of the plan to weaken London as a financial centre.

The fact that it makes no sense , although true, does not matter. The mass of letters that that they will receive, also, does not matter except that they will have been successful in putting another nail in the Brexit coffin.

Spot on Split! (Quote from "Potential mass exodus from Spreadbetters" thread).

The EU (ESMA) have now got the entire UK spread betting industry, Sharky's new thread and lots of under-capitalised punters dancing on a short string. What's going on is typical of all governmental "consultations" – ie. they've already decided what's going to happen, and in the interests of "democracy" and other such things that the politicians think we are daft enough to believe that they believe in, they will just go ahead and do it. Quite a smart way to weaken UK as a financial centre.

Of course, this can only happen when you have a weak and timid vision-less government headed up by someone who personifies those qualities. There have been only two UK politicians in our recent history who've stood up to Europe: Thatcher & Churchill. Who will be the third?

 

[barjon]

Yobs must be worried that JRM might get top job. He was invited to speak at the uni, but they had other ideas.....probably members of momentum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42926535

The slippery evasion and dishonesty of your hero (read the article by Matthew Paris in the Times)

JRM asked a Parliamentary question of Steve Baker, junior Brexit minister, as to whether it was true that Baker had been told over lunch by Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European Reform, that Treasury Officials had deliberately concocted false impact assessment models showing all options to be bad. Baker replied that “was essentially correct”.

Unfortunately he hadn’t banked on the fact that the conversation was recorded and showed that Grant had said no such thing. Oops! Baker has apologised, JRM has not.

A little conspiracy job between JRM and Baker has misfired. And this is the man to lead the nation - I think not.

 

[Signalcalc]

The slippery evasion and dishonesty of your hero (read the article by Matthew Paris in the Times)



JRM asked a Parliamentary question of Steve Baker, junior Brexit minister, as to whether it was true that Baker had been told over lunch by Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European Reform, that Treasury Officials had deliberately concocted false impact assessment models showing all options to be bad. Baker replied that “was essentially correct”.



Unfortunately he hadn’t banked on the fact that the conversation was recorded and showed that Grant had said no such thing. Oops! Baker has apologised, JRM has not.



A little conspiracy job between JRM and Baker has misfired. And this is the man to lead the nation - I think not.

I think we’re going to have to cite sources for these kinds of statements so that we can make informed decisions about what is actually happening. If JRM is careless enough to start getting trapped by recordings, then what is the source of reporting?

Accepting stories at face value is not good enough in these days of heightened fakery.

 

[Signalcalc]

Yobs must be worried that JRM might get top job. He was invited to speak at the uni, but they had other ideas.....probably members of momentum.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42926535

It’s interesting to see that they included JRM talking against the headline (and what the video appears to be showing), it’s also refreshing to see a politician not playing the victim and retreating to a ‘safe space’ to avoid confrontation. Well done for actually wanting to partake in a free exchange of ideas with the so-called mob, whatever the outcome actually was.

If he did make it to leader, I fear that his options for sensible discourse would become more and more limited once the real political mob get involved (and his personal protection would need to be increased).

 

[sminicooper]

The slippery evasion and dishonesty of your hero (read the article by Matthew Paris in the Times)

JRM asked a Parliamentary question of Steve Baker, junior Brexit minister, as to whether it was true that Baker had been told over lunch by Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European Reform, that Treasury Officials had deliberately concocted false impact assessment models showing all options to be bad. Baker replied that “was essentially correct”.

Unfortunately he hadn’t banked on the fact that the conversation was recorded and showed that Grant had said no such thing. Oops! Baker has apologised, JRM has not.

A little conspiracy job between JRM and Baker has misfired. And this is the man to lead the nation - I think not.

Don't forget that Matthew Paris and the Times are both fully paid up members of the Remain tendency!

If you want an alternative and well-reported IMHO account of what happened, try this one from the Guardian (hardly a fan of Jacob Rees-Mogg needless to say) https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-mogg-treasury-fiddling-figures-brexit-report

 

[Atilla]

Don't forget that Matthew Paris and the Times are both fully paid up members of the Remain tendency!

If you want an alternative and well-reported IMHO account of what happened, try this one from the Guardian (hardly a fan of Jacob Rees-Mogg needless to say) https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-mogg-treasury-fiddling-figures-brexit-report

This sort of stuff really messes up any form of intelligent debate.

If you are a man of integrity and apply same principal would you not say that Moggie being say a £50m worth Hedge fund operator benefit from UK becoming a low tax based safe haven and emulate the Swiss banking model and thus benefit from Brexit outcome? Hence, is he not biased with his preference and vested interest in angling for a hard Brexit? Throw in some political power in there too and we have Trumped up businessmen becoming politicians with delusional egos on their personal vision of the World.

Such Brexit outcome will not benefit the whole country but very limited pockets of interest.


The best UK has going for it IMHO is the Northern Powerhouse project as conjured and initiated by Vince Cable when in government alongside Cameron. Osborne tried to carry it but lacks stature and leadership qualities for his age.


Also, Brexiters have not set any vision of what the plans are or what they propose to do? Moggie latched on to some blurb about Brexit boosting UK by £135bn tweet which later got deleted but his still holding on repeating a forecast no less incredulous than Osbornes Brexit damage.


Increasingly whilst we have many fires burning in the country, we are observing Brexit fiasco performed by clowns to other clowns. Laughing stock but it's not funny at all. Show for hooligans. Hooo haaa we are so proud stuff which is going so horribly wrong imo.

 

[Splitlink]

For those who like a debate on the Brexit matter and TM, here's a link to Extratime.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09pkw7f

 

[counter_violent]

The slippery evasion and dishonesty of your hero (read the article by Matthew Paris in the Times)

JRM asked a Parliamentary question of Steve Baker, junior Brexit minister, as to whether it was true that Baker had been told over lunch by Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European Reform, that Treasury Officials had deliberately concocted false impact assessment models showing all options to be bad. Baker replied that “was essentially correct”.

Unfortunately he hadn’t banked on the fact that the conversation was recorded and showed that Grant had said no such thing. Oops! Baker has apologised, JRM has not.

A little conspiracy job between JRM and Baker has misfired. And this is the man to lead the nation - I think not.

Well given that the establishment has been involved in the biggest deception for 45 years, started by that treacherous ******* Heath, then it's no surprise that fine upstanding candidates emerge and are supported eventually by the general population.
Thatcher of course was one such example. Initially she was anything but popular, but as time progressed the people saw qualities and principles that they could get behind. She went up against the EU numerous times and secured reforms and rebates in the 80's. Farage, the scurge of the established order, has been the most successful politician of our recent past. Moggy is the current candidate to challenge the established order and is fast becoming the only credible candidate to take over the top job.

What these people have in common is the ability to communicate a general vision for the good of the UK. They are people of principle with unshakable beliefs that their vision for the country and it's citisens is the correct one. You probably won't be surprised then when he does end up in the top job.

Fancy the Tory party shoehorning a remainer into the job. That is typical of the establishment and the way in which they operate to close ranks and defeat principled candidates. So it takes and extraordinary candidate to rise above all this thwarting and break through to gain the power needed to make change.

The choice going forward will be between a marxist lead, backward looking Labour party, or a Tory party lead by a principled communicator who will engage and include "the people" on the journey through these challenging times in our history.

Not a difficult choice for people to make as we move forward.

 

[barjon]

.............What these people have in common is the ability to communicate a general vision for the good of the UK. They are people of principle with unshakable beliefs that their vision for the country and it's citisens is the correct one. You probably won't be surprised then when he does end up in the top job.........

I don’t think you can get anyone more principled with an “unshakeable belief that his vision for the country and it’s citizens is the correct one” than Jeremy Corbyn. That doesn’t make his beliefs and the course he wants to take the right ones, of course. Same with JRM, even if he does have those qualities.