Brexit and the Consequences

sminicooper said:
Well that's the problem isn't it? Unless you wish to contribute to a future communist/Marxist state then there's not a lot of hope, going on present form.

It's a bit like the Phoney War at the moment – lots of talk, little action, no one competent in charge and most people wondering what the hell is going on. We need another Churchill - (Oops! sorry: wasn't he racist/colonialist/approver of slavery/member of the gentry and definitely not left-wing) so I don't suppose that idea will get very far with today's Snowflakes and Millennials!
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You looking for a politician or commander in chief?

Wage war against who exactly?
 
sminicooper said:
Neither - just someone with some balls who can sort things out. :)
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LOL - might explain why he was not able to do much after the war and made wrong decisions. Based on past performance clearly unable to deliver in peace time and lacked experience or know how. I do feel we are not being fair to Churchill as I said great war time leader and one does need to be a different breed of an animal to fit into politicians pants.

Less balls wouldn't you say but bigger cerebral cortex?

AND that is precisely the trouble with Brexiters. Many of you think with the wrong part of your anatomy as opposed to ones higher functions.
 
Atilla said:
LOL - might explain why he was not able to do much after the war and made wrong decisions. Based on past performance clearly unable to deliver in peace time and lacked experience or know how. I do feel we are not being fair to Churchill as I said great war time leader and one does need to be a different breed of an animal to fit into politicians pants.

Less balls wouldn't you say but bigger cerebral cortex?

AND that is precisely the trouble with Brexiters. Many of you think with the wrong part of your anatomy as opposed to ones higher functions.
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Yup – in the main you're right about Churchill. He actually managed to make a balls-up of quite a few things but he did get the big, important one right. He should have known when to quit after the war but like most "great" politicians – they think they can go on for ever. They never seem to realise that all political careers end in failure.

As for the location of Brexiteers' thinking gear, it's not quite that simple. As an economic choice, on balance Remainers are probably/possibly but not certainly, right in the short term. But for the political choice – as far as I'm concerned it's easy: Brexit – which outweighs the economics. What's the point of being part of an economic bloc that takes away the ability to govern yourself? If you ask of the EU, the five questions defined by that great Socialist (and ex-Gentry member) Anthony Wedgwood Benn:

  1. “What power have you got?”
  2. “Where did you get it from?”
  3. “In whose interests do you use it?”
  4. “To whom are you accountable?”
  5. “How do we get rid of you?”

Then to me, the political option looks decidedly unattractive.
 
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sminicooper said:
Yup – in the main you're right about Churchill. He actually managed to make a balls-up of quite a few things but he did get the big, important one right. He should have known when to quit after the war but like most "great" politicians – they think they can go on for ever. They never seem to realise that all political careers end in failure.

As for the location of Brexiteers' thinking gear, it's not quite that simple. As an economic choice, on balance Remainers are probably/possibly but not certainly, right in the short term. But for the political choice – as far as I'm concerned it's easy: Brexit – which outweighs the economics. What's the point of being part of an economic bloc that takes away the ability to govern yourself? If you ask of the EU, the five questions defined by that great Socialist (and ex-Gentry member) Anthony Wedgwood Benn:

  1. “What power have you got?”
  2. “Where did you get it from?”
  3. “In whose interests do you use it?”
  4. “To whom are you accountable?”
  5. “How do we get rid of you?”

Then to me, the political option looks decidedly unattractive.
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Tell me about what rights pensioners have in the UK when they've been ripped off by their bosses?

:whistling

By the way, is anyone aware of any big European companies stitching up their workers? If so what was EU's response. Just curious and I feel we should compare.


Also, read somewhere UK bodies going to seek treatment in France before Brexit kicks in. Crazy stuff. 7months waiting list on NHS so he went to France and had it done in three.
 
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Atilla said:
Tell me about what rights pensioners have in the UK when they've been ripped off by their bosses?

:whistling

By the way, is anyone aware of any big European companies stitching up their workers? If so what was EU's response. Just curious and I feel we should compare.


Also, read somewhere UK bodies going to seek treatment in France before Brexit kicks in. Crazy stuff. 7months waiting list on NHS so he went to France and had it done in three.
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Never a day of reckoning. True socialist, unprincipled. A few weeks ago you were all over Vince Cable :LOL:

Once again...socialist govts always end in disaster and it's always the job of the Tories to sort out the mess.
 
counter_violent said:
Never a day of reckoning. True socialist, unprincipled. A few weeks ago you were all over Vince Cable :LOL:

Once again...socialist govts always end in disaster and it's always the job of the Tories to sort out the mess.
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I do think Vince Cable is the best PM for UK in this current predicament we find our selves in.

However, as before I will vote tactically to get Tories out as they are one big serious danger to UK interests right now. Self indulgent politicians who have wrecked the country and interests to preserve their seats in power.

AND you talk about principals. Makes a mockery of policies and manifestos. Why bother voting at all. Just vote blue coz I'm middle class and I have always done so. Fine principals indeed. ;)
 
Love The Windsors representation of the Brexit.
The show typifies what (We) think of the royals.
 
Nobody's said it yet, so I might as well, no apologies if you get triggered. What we actually need is a businessperson in charge, someone that can do politics and business, strong willed, hugely popular, says it how it is, doesn't pander to PC and will stand up for his/her country, hmmmm, I wonder who that person could be, is there anyone currently leading a country that could even provide that example.......?
 
Signalcalc said:
Nobody's said it yet, so I might as well, no apologies if you get triggered. What we actually need is a businessperson in charge, someone that can do politics and business, strong willed, hugely popular, says it how it is, doesn't pander to PC and will stand up for his/her country, hmmmm, I wonder who that person could be, is there anyone currently leading a country that could even provide that example.......?
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Putin?:LOL:
 
Signalcalc said:
Nobody's said it yet, so I might as well, no apologies if you get triggered. What we actually need is a businessperson in charge, someone that can do politics and business, strong willed, hugely popular, says it how it is, doesn't pander to PC and will stand up for his/her country, hmmmm, I wonder who that person could be, is there anyone currently leading a country that could even provide that example.......?
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That sounds like Jacob Rees-Mogg to me. Though I don't think he would be hugely popular with Atilla and his mates!

Biog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

And he is leading in the bookies at the moment: https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader
 
Signalcalc said:
In the very small armoury of magical weapons that the Tories have available to them, JRM does look to be the only potential silver bullet left.
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Labour have "momentum", Tories have "Moggmentum" (y)

JRM would wipe the floor with Corbyn. Just need to get him into the top job.
 
counter_violent said:
Labour have "momentum", Tories have "Moggmentum" (y)

JRM would wipe the floor with Corbyn. Just need to get him into the top job.
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I'm not so sure, those former labour voters probably don't like the look of Moggy, he is probably too Tory boy for them, regardless of the content of his ideas. Where do those voters go I wonder?

Surely, one would also be inviting chants of 'MOGGY, MOGGY, MOGGY, OUT, OUT, OUT !!!
 
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sminicooper said:
That sounds like Jacob Rees-Mogg to me. Though I don't think he would be hugely popular with Atilla and his mates!

Biog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

And he is leading in the bookies at the moment: https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader
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What you really should be considering is what the country will think of him, including our Queen!

Then there are some of you here who talk of principals. So on one hand here we have a man of principal, devout and faithful true to his cause yet being held up to lead the very great and diverse population it aims to represent fairly, holding parliament and our due judicial process above all else? Really? Who believes he will or can do?

Is the any church really compatible with modern lives these days?

Brexiters all over the place - coming across as all very confused and mixed up bodies indeed.

Do you not see the hypocrisy or paradox of all your blurbs?

So many contradictions all jumbled up.


fwiw I concur with Merkel's take on exchange with Theresa May. UK is leaving and as she leaves asks the EU to make it an offer to stay? Does she think she's in some Marrakesh bazaar or some other market stall.

Bearings on Brexit
Nearly 600 days after the vote, it can't or won't tell the EU what it wants.


Of course this may not matter to the some of the hardline Brexit fans but the point remains, UK or rather just the Tory party in fear of splintering vote to UKIP and losing power to Labour have done the unthinkable damage to country with politicians favouring their seats over national interest.


Time will tell. Let the Brexit hooligans run away with them selves for now. :(
 
Atilla said:
. . . Do you not see the hypocrisy or paradox of all your blurbs? . . .
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Nope, sorry Atilla, but I don't.
I agree with the majority of the blurbs by most of the Brexiteers on T2W and, where my views differ, they tend to be at the fringes regarding issues that are not directly relevant to Brexit. Trump is an example of this. Some Brexiteers have time for him: I don't. Either way, that makes no difference to our collective poor opinion of the EU and that Britain will be much better off when we're out of it.
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We could dress moggy in a pair of flip flops

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Atilla said:
What you really should be considering is what the country will think of him, including our Queen!
I'd be more worried about what Charles thinks!

Then there are some of you here who talk of principals. So on one hand here we have a man of principal, devout and faithful true to his cause yet being held up to lead the very great and diverse population it aims to represent fairly, holding parliament and our due judicial process above all else? Really? Who believes he will or can do?
JRM has already said that these are his personal principles and not those he would want to enforce on others.

Is the any church really compatible with modern lives these days?
The non-Christian religions might string you up for that sort of comment! But I suspect that most UK voters don't consider religion in their choice.

Brexiters all over the place - coming across as all very confused and mixed up bodies indeed.
Jezza and his people have a dynamic and fluid policy on Brexit which will suit most people at some time or other. Confused & mixed up? - were you by any chance referring to black pots and kettles?

Do you not see the hypocrisy or paradox of all your blurbs?
What's hypocritical about saying what you believe and practising it? Isn't it the socialists & Jezza's lot that despise wealth, private schools & healthcare, expensive property, private business deals on the side - but all indulge in it themselves? The true paradox is Jezza who really does appear to some people to be what he isn't!


So many contradictions all jumbled up.
Hmm ........


fwiw I concur with Merkel's take on exchange with Theresa May. UK is leaving and as she leaves asks the EU to make it an offer to stay? Does she think she's in some Marrakesh bazaar or some other market stall.
We all know May is useless.

Bearings on Brexit
Nearly 600 days after the vote, it can't or won't tell the EU what it wants.


Of course this may not matter to the some of the hardline Brexit fans but the point remains, UK or rather just the Tory party in fear of splintering vote to UKIP and losing power to Labour have done the unthinkable damage to country with politicians favouring their seats over national interest.
Damage? - nothing compared to what Jezza (especially after he's deposed post victory) and his ilk would do to the country. The thought certainly scares me s***less!


Time will tell. Let the Brexit hooligans run away with them selves for now. :(
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Atilla - I know you mean well but we're going to have to send you to the Gulag for some re-education :LOL:
 
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