Brexit and the Consequences

Her household has history too...

Last month this same Lady had to distance herself from comments made by her husband (and electoral agent) Roger Kendrick, who told a hustings event that “the crisis in education was due entirely to non-British-born immigrants and their high birth rates”

I never thought of that.

What if it's true, but everyone is so politically correct that they dare not say it !

Like the Asian abuse gangs that nobody was allowed to talk about.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-girl-fled-country-abuse-asian-men-court-told

There are lots of reasons why the UK voted for Brexit and this is probably One of them.
 
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Human nature is the same all over the world and there is good and bad in all places in all people.

When wealthy businessmen from the West and America go on business trips they ask for young girls and boys for entertainment. French, German and English businessmen yes. They have money and there are sick vile disgusting people all over the world who'll abuse their own kind and others.

Gary Glitter comes to mind visiting Thailand to have is way with little children. How many Gary Glitters are there? I'm sure there are 100s of other Gary Glitters who aren't even picked up who may just be sex tourists.

How about the Roman Catholic Church and their priests?

How about Jersey child abuse home that went on for decades, the most vulnerable of children some under 10 years old.

How about the cover up Westminster paedophile abuse claims. That's well under the carpet.

Then there is Savile and the BBC network where even in hospitals he abused young children.

They should all be treated with the same for the disgusting acts that they are.

Humanity is the same all over the world. The powerful will abuse the weak and vulnerable irrespective of race, creed or colour.

What I find equally disgusting is that some racist fockers can take human suffering to a new level and think they are holier than thou and try and make cheap political Brexit capital out of other peoples suffering to further their own gains.

Racism is equally as sick. In America it was ok to rape black slaves but illegal to marry them and have children. No different with Arabs abusing Philippino servants.


Wish humanity would evolve a little.

Political correctness you say??? :(

Lot of sick puppies out there imo. :cry::cry::cry:
 
Human nature is the same all over the world and there is good and bad in all places in all people.

When wealthy businessmen from the West and America go on business trips they ask for young girls and boys for entertainment. French, German and English businessmen yes. They have money and there are sick vile disgusting people all over the world who'll abuse their own kind and others.

Gary Glitter comes to mind visiting Thailand to have is way with little children. How many Gary Glitters are there? I'm sure there are 100s of other Gary Glitters who aren't even picked up who may just be sex tourists.

How about the Roman Catholic Church and their priests?

How about Jersey child abuse home that went on for decades, the most vulnerable of children some under 10 years old.

How about the cover up Westminster paedophile abuse claims. That's well under the carpet.

Then there is Savile and the BBC network where even in hospitals he abused young children.

They should all be treated with the same for the disgusting acts that they are.

Humanity is the same all over the world. The powerful will abuse the weak and vulnerable irrespective of race, creed or colour.

What I find equally disgusting is that some racist fockers can take human suffering to a new level and think they are holier than thou and try and make cheap political Brexit capital out of other peoples suffering to further their own gains.

Racism is equally as sick. In America it was ok to rape black slaves but illegal to marry them and have children. No different with Arabs abusing Philippino servants.


Wish humanity would evolve a little.

Political correctness you say??? :(

Lot of sick puppies out there imo. :cry::cry::cry:

I can see you have given this some considerable thought and I agree with all of it apart from the Brexit jibe.

What you don't seem to understand is that the more freedoms people have, the more responsibility they have to behave themselves. Truth is, they just can't handle that responsibility.

Just been watching this prog on guns in America. The solution is simple. If the goal is to reduce the death rate, then removing the guns would be a great start.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p05733vk/one-deadly-weekend-in-america
 
It is scary to think about how many British business and social institutions the EU is intertwined with. How did that happen so fast? Almost every aspect of life has been touched by the EU project, utterly fascinating and frightening.
 
UK govt's handling of Brexit sadly appears to be descending into chaos and farce, with few if any signs of anything that could be called a coherent strategy, and the ensuing political uncertainty is clearly to starting to take its toll on business and consumer sentiment.


Whilst at the meantime wondering what Trump and Macron talking about???

A. Trump is saying to Macron, we seem to be losing our foothold in EU what with the English and their Brexit fiasco and I'm told we need a plan B. Given how strong your defense sector is much like ours and EU probably will in due course raise defense spending, we would like to align our interests with your country going forward.

What do you say young Macron? Shall we playout the American revolution again much like in the late 1770s and forge a new Greater alliance? :love::love:

or

B. Monsieur Macron, Great America would like you to take it easy on our long historic ally equally Great Britain and not be so hard on her over Brexit. Tell your mistress Merkel to think about the greater good of the City to remain in London and don't forget how they helped America after WWII in building a better, richer and more stable Europe. Ease off on that departure tip too.

In return, we'll get US to step back in to the Paris climate agreement. Howz that young man? You dako with all that. ;)


What do you guys reckon? :whistling
 
Unbiased? As far as I can see, this article is telling the facts of the holidays that both the EU and the UK governments have. It will be into October before talks can start,. If they start, then.

I wonder if the British public knew what they were getting into when they had the referendum and who was getting them into it?
 
Unbiased? As far as I can see, this article is telling the facts of the holidays that both the EU and the UK governments have. It will be into October before talks can start,. If they start, then.

I wonder if the British public knew what they were getting into when they had the referendum and who was getting them into it?

cognitive dissonance

According to cognitive dissonance, there is a tendency for individuals to seek consistency among their cognitions (i.e., beliefs, opinions). When there is an inconsistency between attitudes or behaviors.

While fringe members were more inclined to recognize that they had made fools of themselves and to "put it down to experience", committed members were more likely to re-interpret the evidence to show that they were right all along (the earth was not destroyed because of the faithfulness of the cult members).

My gut feeling

Without going to deeply into facts and figures. My gut feeling is brexit is akin to a company who after spending years building up a customer base, just to tear it up and risks cold calling new clients.
Another gut feeling I have is of a non member of a club wanting to be treated the same as the members of a club. Every club I have ever been to have charged me more than the club members and have not given me as many benefits as the club members.

I do think it is a shame that it looks as though a lot of joint collaboration research projects (especially medical) will be coming to an end, I feel as though the UK had a lot to offer and gain.

On a personal note

Last year around the Christmas table (after a lot of brexit talk in the media) it crossed my mind that two people may not have been at the Christmas table that year if it weren't for EU workers.
That year my mum had been diagnosed with cancer, she had been sent away (with back ache pills) from her English Doctor many times over two months.
Then when her usual Doctor was off she saw a stand in (from Portugal) who immediately sent her to A&E for cancer tests which proved positive and she stayed in hospital for emergency treatment. When she came home she was under going debilitating chemo, my brother's Croatian girlfriend (who had just arrived from Croatia to finish off her degree) Spent eight hours a day for weeks (while waiting for her studies to begin) just looking after my mum, who she did not know to well.
(My brother's Croatian girlfriend is now working in a fantastic role helping people in the community (UK) in a political role)

The same year (my young and fit) wife was taken to A&E with a surprise life threatening heart condition (that night she flat-lined twice). She got blue lighted to three hospitals (going up in heart specialty each time), seeing English consultants and each one did not feel confident enough to operate on her.
Eventually she was sent to The Royal Brompton where a German Doctor who was one of the top pioneers of research in this field, did the operation.
She was in the hospital for two weeks and I can say without a shadow of doubt the two hardest working and most compassionate nurses were both from the EU, an Irish (southern) nurse and a nurse from Portugal.

I really can not be sure that my wife and mum would have been sitting around the Christmas table if it were not for these EU workers. So when I hear people talking about "low skilled immigrants, bla, bla, or people thinking EU immigrants are in-capable of even getting a mortgage. It really gets my goat up.

PS. My wife works in the NHS and her department is only sustained due to many (many more than in the waiting room) hard working and conscientious specialist therapists from the EU.
I really believe the NHS would fall apart without them.
 
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cognitive dissonance

According to cognitive dissonance, there is a tendency for individuals to seek consistency among their cognitions (i.e., beliefs, opinions). When there is an inconsistency between attitudes or behaviors.

While fringe members were more inclined to recognize that they had made fools of themselves and to "put it down to experience", committed members were more likely to re-interpret the evidence to show that they were right all along (the earth was not destroyed because of the faithfulness of the cult members).

My gut feeling

Without going to deeply into facts and figures. My gut feeling is brexit is akin to a company who after spending years building up a customer base, just to tear it up and risks cold calling new clients.
Another gut feeling I have is of a non member of a club wanting to be treated the same as the members of a club. Every club I have ever been to have charged me more than the club members and have not given me as many benefits as the club members.

I do think it is a shame that it looks as though a lot of joint collaboration research projects (especially medical) will be coming to an end, I feel as though the UK had a lot to offer and gain.

On a personal note

Last year around the Christmas table (after a lot of brexit talk in the media) it crossed my mind that two people may not have been at the Christmas table that year if it weren't for EU workers.
That year my mum had been diagnosed with cancer, she had been sent away (with back ache pills) from her English Doctor many times over two months.
Then when her usual Doctor was off she saw a stand in (from Portugal) who immediately sent her to A&E for cancer tests which proved positive and she stayed in hospital for emergency treatment. When she came home she was under going debilitating chemo, my brother's Croatian girlfriend (who had just arrived from Croatia to finish off her degree) Spent eight hours a day for weeks (while waiting for her studies to begin) just looking after my mum, who she did not know to well.
(My brother's Croatian girlfriend is now working in a fantastic role helping people in the community (UK) in a political role)

The same year (my young and fit) wife was taken to A&E with a surprise life threatening heart condition (that night she flat-lined twice). She got blue lighted to three hospitals (going up in heart specialty each time), seeing English consultants and each one did not feel confident enough to operate on her.
Eventually she was sent to The Royal Brompton where a German Doctor who was one of the top pioneers of research in this field, did the operation.
She was in the hospital for two weeks and I can say without a shadow of doubt the two hardest working and most compassionate nurses were both from the EU, an Irish (southern) nurse and a nurse from Portugal.

I really can not be sure that my wife and mum would have been sitting around the Christmas table if it were not for these EU workers. So when I hear people talking about "low skilled immigrants, bla, bla, or people thinking EU immigrants are in-capable of even getting a mortgage. It really gets my goat up.

PS. My wife works in the NHS and her department is only sustained due to many (many more than in the waiting room) hard working and conscientious specialist therapists from the EU.
I really believe the NHS would fall apart without them.

I am very pleased for you, Jason, and congratulations to your brother, who has a prize beyond value.
 
A terrific post by Jason. Yes, because it reinforces my own beliefs so far as his gut feelings are concerned, but it does seem difficult to fault what he says.

So far as his personal experiences are concerned I'm sure similar experiences are shared by very many people. I've just had a new hip - surgeon English (second generation West Indian), nurses - two English, one Romanian and two Polish.

Why so many of our young people seem to be turning their noses up at these sort of jobs goodness knows. Perhaps too many think like my grandson who says he wants to be a YouTuber when he grows up :LOL:
 
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It looks as though this will all be very expensive for both UK business and EU, especially small and medium sized enterprises (according to the Boston Consulting Report). It will cost banks a lot of money to set up new entities, and they will pass that cost on.

It is going to be more expensive for businesses (and banks) to trade and hedge. You won't get the netting effect of all the trades being done in London. Each party will have to stump up more margin, more collateral and pay more in fees. Very bad for the UK financial sector, very bad for EU business.

Banks have already started the procedure of moving. That doesn't mean mass layoffs in the UK yet, hopefully not for a while, but hiring priority is in the EU now, and ultimately they will let people go in London. Just a matter of time.
 
. . . I really believe the NHS would fall apart without them.
I agree with much of what Jason says in his excellent post - especially this final comment. To the best of my knowledge, most people - remainers and leavers alike - take this view. In the event that the NHS suffers as a result of us leaving the EU - then I imagine the government of the day will be under siege from protesters, among whom there will be at least as many Brexiteers as there will be remainers. I'll be one of 'em.
Tim.
 
I agree with much of what Jason says in his excellent post - especially this final comment. To the best of my knowledge, most people - remainers and leavers alike - take this view. In the event that the NHS suffers as a result of us leaving the EU - then I imagine the government of the day will be under siege from protesters, among whom there will be at least as many Brexiteers as there will be remainers. I'll be one of 'em.
Tim.

Then, you are going to see that it was not the EU's fault.
 
I am very pleased for you, Jason, and congratulations to your brother, who has a prize beyond value.

She is amazing, but now we are all in a bit of a limbo land, not knowing if she will be able to stay (and she works for a local MP).
 
Great post Jason and I concur with your experience as well as cognitive dissonance and gut feeling paragraphs.

Couple of years ago but my brother had his flash car stolen. They punched him to the ground and kicked him a few times - despite not offering any resistance and handing over the keys (the car had a tracker anyway).

He was treated at a London hospital for concussion by an Asian junior doctor who had come down from Birmingham to make up numbers on the night shift.

He told us after a long late night shift whilst he was walking home he got attacked by couple of white English youths who had been drinking (this was in Birmingham). He was called all sorts of names and he just ran for his life.


I wonder which way they voted?


I'm almost 100% certain those same youths will turn on anybody else who crosses their paths when they've had a few. Today it's them, tomorrow it will us.


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Lack of clear guidelines and white paper, abuse of power and domineering control freak, bloody difficult woman, a Conservative party in conflict with its destiny and an unruly bunch of eurosceptics all causing one big fkup.

Take a badly thought out advisory referendum, twisted by lies and deceit, voted for by only 37% of the electorate and pass it off as a strategic parliamentary law impacting the destiny of UK for the next 10-20 years without a white paper or any quantification of impact or pros and cons.

That takes some doing. The very blabber mouth who has made much noise for the last 15 years, resigns to become a DJ having made his millions as a MEP.



Britain’s Brexit Chaos Leaves EU Friends and Foes Bemused


What Just Happened?

May stepped in as his successor and took her own risk -- calling a snap general election to increase her majority only to lose it. That has put her own job on the line and blurred her vision of Brexit. That is being felt on all levels, with arguments and errors.

On Tuesday, Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson told the House of Commons that the EU could “go whistle” if it wanted larger sums from Britain as part of the price of departure. On Thursday, Davis issued a written statement to the same House of Commons, confirming that a payment would be agreed.

Earlier in the day there had been protests in the chamber that the government’s flagship piece of Brexit legislation, its Repeal Bill, was accidentally published online before it was presented to Parliament.

The last big document Davis’s department produced, the Brexit White Paper in February, contained errors and a datestamp suggesting it was put together at the last minute. The department itself has struggled to recruit talent for what is the political battle of a lifetime.


Not only has it struggled to recruit talent, what talent there was quit because TM and her cronies wouldn't listen as they new best what Brexit meant but could not tell Parliament as that would undermine their negotiations.


Stupid moo moo. Can't wait to see the back of her and the tories. Only way Eurosceptics will be purged from the party is for those twits to lose an election.

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Holding a referendum was a bad decision. Even a Remain decision would not have meant anything.

Management of the outcome of the referendum will be key to our future positioning to either take the rewards from independence form the EU or limit the damage. There is nothing here so far to inspire confidence. Appointment of a remainer PM to manage this was a short-sighted political fudge, no doubt done with the intention of limiting damage to the Conservative party rather than the country.
 
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