Brexit and the Consequences

[dbphoenix]

Trouble in paradise?

UK's May defeated as lawmakers demand power to reject final Brexit terms

 

[Atilla]

Trouble in paradise?

UK's May defeated as lawmakers demand power to reject final Brexit terms

Yes I saw Anna Soubry speak on Sky News and she's very passionate about the sovereignty of Parliament. True MP of conviction and not simply a career politician. Those who speak out in the face of adversity, even what they say may not be popular are worth listening to imo.

Perhaps equally important Lord Lawson has said we may not get a deal but a bad deal at that and revert to WTO which he is still in favour of.

What is important however, is that whilst the arguments for the referendum was ongoing, he along with few others were talking about an alternative model / agreement similar to Norway, Switzerland or even Turkey. The outcome of it all is that no deal and WTO was the last option of his desired objectives.

Strange no less 8 months have passed, nothing has happened and he is revising his expectations albeit still in favour of an exit.


He may be still in favour but I bet there's going to be few more losers before we see any light at the end of the tunnel.


In summary, we had Davies moderate his Transition period required (originally it would not be required).

Then migration numbers will only come down slowly as BAU must continue whilst we train bodies nationally to replace migrants jobs.

Hammond preparing battle chess for hard times ahead.

Lawson, revises exit deal.

Nisan CEO spoke of promises made to him. There is the possibility if those promises are broken because they can not be delivered, could easily see Nissan (in partnership with Renault) also leave the UK.


I'm beginning to wonder if we'll meet the end of March for invoking article 50???

I can see kicking it down the road no matter how politically damaging should be considered in the National interest, so that elections in France, Holland and Germany take place first.

You know it makes sense and the leave campaign have absolutely nothing to lose by waiting another 6 months or even a year as it will facilitate analysis and pre-ground work to be laid.

 

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...sts-less-illegal-mass-migration-says-hungary/

The Hungarian government’s decision to rapidly construct strong border fences along their frontiers has had a positive financial effect, achieving substantial savings on the cost of illegal immigration.

Zoltán Kovács, official spokesman for Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, told Hungarian media last week that “the monies spent on border protection are very obviously being recouped”.

Speaking to Breitbart London, the Hungarian government’s International Communications Office explained:

“The Hungarian state spends a total of 5,505 forints on the daily care of each illegal immigrant. To put things in comparison, the minimum wage in Hungary is currently 127,500 forints/month, which equals to 4,250 forints/day.”

This adds up to an annual cost of some 2,009,325 forints per illegal migrant, per year.

Frontex, the European Border and Coast Guard Agency, recently reported that the introduction of “technical barriers” to illegal migration on the Hungarian/Serbian border slashed crossings via that route from 200,000 in 2015 to 25,000 in 2016 – a massive theoretical saving.

 

[Pat494]

If the EU bosses had any sense at all they would be offering a EU on 2 basics.
1. Political and financial.
2. Financial only without all their pettifogging political rules and regulations. Enabling free trade.

Number 2 is what we mainly thought we were joining originally and then the small elite group started insisting on ever closer political integration.

I hold out very little hope that the EU will come to their senses before it gets rejected by France and Germany too.

 

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/germanys-afd-calls-negative-immigration-200-000-people-175037300.html

"The anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany party called for the country to get rid of at least 200,000 more people a year than it takes in.

In its election program, the party criticized reducing Germany's history to the Nazi era and urged a "wider view of history that also includes aspects of German history that have contributed to our identity in a positive way".

The party also called for the introduction of a minimum quota for deportations, said the borders should be closed immediately to end "uncontrolled mass immigration" and said only qualified people should be allowed to come to Germany.

It said all rejected asylum seekers should be sent back to their countries of origin and it should be possible to withdraw German nationality from migrants who commit serious crimes.

The AfD is projected to emerge from the election as the third biggest party. But it is ostracized by its mainstream rivals, so has no chance of joining any government."

 

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/germanys-afd-calls-negative-immigration-200-000-people-175037300.html

"The anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany party called for the country to get rid of at least 200,000 more people a year than it takes in.

In its election program, the party criticized reducing Germany's history to the Nazi era and urged a "wider view of history that also includes aspects of German history that have contributed to our identity in a positive way".

The party also called for the introduction of a minimum quota for deportations, said the borders should be closed immediately to end "uncontrolled mass immigration" and said only qualified people should be allowed to come to Germany.

It said all rejected asylum seekers should be sent back to their countries of origin and it should be possible to withdraw German nationality from migrants who commit serious crimes.

The AfD is projected to emerge from the election as the third biggest party. But it is ostracized by its mainstream rivals, so has no chance of joining any government."

A lot of people thought that about Hitler.

 

[petetrades]

A lot of people thought that about Hitler.

Are you implying an anti-immigrant agenda makes the AFD analogous to Hitler? If so that's some remarkable historical and political manipulation.

 

[Atilla]

I think the four freedoms of Europe are well thought out and considered.

I can't imagine controlling movement of capital so why control movement of labour?

Moreover, in the last 70 years we've had globalisation/multinational move production to countries where labour and land are cheap and import back to host country and locate in low tax havens.

Whole economic policies have been to further the objectives and maximise profits of these big conglomerates.

Issue now is to protect national host countries and scrap free movement of labour and scrap the mulitnational business model which has served the globe well.


Problem is skewed distribution of income as the massive gains have not been distributed fairly. In particular in US and UK. Fingers are pointing at immigration.

Problem is government policy, training and infrastructure spending hasn't taken place. Instead national treasures have been sold to these big conglomerates who have continued to fleece the common working man delivering p155 poor service whilst paying little or no tax or investing in infrastructure ie railways or telecommunications.

Thinking is all wrong along with RCA. Now government interfering in the market place dictating terms where companies should set up shop, removing freedoms and talking jibberish about raising wages.

Why raise wages when there are no new skills or productivity gains? This is absolutely stupid. Not likely to happen either. It'll simply mean businesses leaving or going bust because they will not be able to compete in the international export markets. Fall in currency is a one off hit. It can not be sustained.

Better path forward would be to get big conglomerates to pay their fair due and invest in schools and infrastructure services to setup the environment for businesses to thrive and people to create.



We do not have political union. EU is about harmonising policies not taking over countries. Members simply pay a fee to administer the project based on GDP size and well being. It could be us paying 2bn tomorrow and Spain paying 5bn. Who knows. It's a good system which gives people and companies freedoms.



Yes send refugees and illegal migrants back, setup border controls. EU only accounts for half of all migrants. Hard Brexit if we are lucky will only curtail one third of the migration numbers. Assuming it is possible as Davies has said it may take some time getting there.

Such a bad approach to dealing with our issues. Much like Thatcher, instead of managing or fixing issues just amputate and have done with it.

In another 30 years we'll be looking back at our economy and finance industry and wonder what the hell did we doooo....

Hopefully, by then manufacturing may have fledged back to life and numpties will take credit for giving birth to their creation which is simply Englishman's resolve to soldier on. Which is much like every other nations ability to survive and thrive in turns.


http://www.economist.com/news/finan...r-essential-europes-economic-project-economic

 

[sminicooper]

Are you implying an anti-immigrant agenda makes the AFD analogous to Hitler? If so that's some remarkable historical and political manipulation.

My main point was that having said that the AFD "has no chance of joining any government" this was rather similar to what some people thought about the upcoming Hitler party.

Regarding "remarkable historical and political manipulation" – take a look at the 25 point programme of the NSDAP (National Socialist German workers party) which was adopted by Hitler. Point No. 8 reads: "Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich".

I certainly wasn't equating the AFD with Hitler, but when you start looking at the evidence ....................


PS – in case you're wondering, I'm a firm believer in controlled immigration. But the problem is that it's always open to hijacking: we must always be on guard against that.

 

[Atilla]

I'm always stumped by controlling immigration and why it is so difficult. I too am in favour of controlled immigration.

I reckon the simple introduction of an ID card along with fines for employing non-documented immigrants can resolve most of our troubles. :idea:

 

[Pat494]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/germanys-afd-calls-negative-immigration-200-000-people-175037300.html

"The anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany party called for the country to get rid of at least 200,000 more people a year than it takes in.

In its election program, the party criticized reducing Germany's history to the Nazi era and urged a "wider view of history that also includes aspects of German history that have contributed to our identity in a positive way".

The party also called for the introduction of a minimum quota for deportations, said the borders should be closed immediately to end "uncontrolled mass immigration" and said only qualified people should be allowed to come to Germany.

It said all rejected asylum seekers should be sent back to their countries of origin and it should be possible to withdraw German nationality from migrants who commit serious crimes.

The AfD is projected to emerge from the election as the third biggest party. But it is ostracized by its mainstream rivals, so has no chance of joining any government."

The AfD and the extreme Right are beginning to show their nasty side in public. Sending home the immigrants would be a death sentence for many at the hands of Assad and others.
Extremist parties are particularly nasty whether the angst is against Jews, Arab immigrants or others. Let's hope their fowl policies get binned as in 1945. Trump will go along with their slaughter, I expect little compassion from that monster.

 

[petetrades]

The AfD and the extreme Right are beginning to show their nasty side in public. Sending home the immigrants would be a death sentence for many at the hands of Assad and others.
Extremist parties are particularly nasty whether the angst is against Jews, Arab immigrants or others. Let's hope their fowl policies get binned as in 1945. Trump will go along with their slaughter, I expect little compassion from that monster.

No. The immigrants are showing their nasty side in public. Sharia law will kill many Muslims in their native countries regardless of EU nation policies, how dare you put the blame on EU countries for such atrocities.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/sweden-...-open-murder-husband-then-laugh-about-it.html

Police were called out to an incident in Hallonbergen in northern Stockholm, an area in which over 67% of the residents are foreign-born, with most coming from Lebanon, Syria and Eritrea.

When police arrived at the house they found a man sat on top of another man stabbing him to death, forcing one of the officers to shoot at the suspect. Inside the house, police discovered that a woman had already been brutally murdered.

The woman’s carotid artery was cut open on both sides of her neck, while other reports said that she had actually been decapitated.

The victims were parents to young children and had been targeted because they were eyewitnesses to another crime and were about to testify, according to reports.

“The reports state that there may be a link to an earlier murder in Stockholm, where one of the parents may have been a witness,” according to Nyheter Idag.

Four people were arrested for the double murder, including two young men aged 20 and 21 years old. The four suspects were of Middle Eastern or North African origin.

The men, who were high on marijuana, apparently showed no remorse whatsoever for the murders and were laughing throughout the ordeal.

This incident was just the latest of a series of murders in Stockholm. On Wednesday night, two men were shot in the head as they sat in a car in a migrant area of Stockholm.

Stockholm police chief Ulf Johansson is now asking the national police chief for “resources and reinforcements” while investigation director Patrick Ungsäter said he couldn’t rule out more murders in the near future.

The incident once again highlights how Donald Trump was right when he said Sweden was having massive problems as a result of opening its doors to mass immigration.

 

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...on-to-rock-sweden-in-24-hours-suspected-bomb/

A specialist bomb squad has been scrambled to the Swedish city of Gothenburg after an explosion, just 24 hours after a suspected car bomb rocked Stockholm.

The incident occurred in the stairwell of an apartment block just after 10 pm on Friday evening, Göteborgs-Posten reports.

“I thought it was another country that has come to attack. I thought it was a war…” said one witness.

 

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http://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/c...-to-throw-support-behind-brexit-a3278476.html

"I'm voting #Brexit #voteleave No gloating from the winners- no whinging from the losers VOTE!! ������������ "

 

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WATCH: Turkish Soccer Fans Boo and Chant During Minute of Silence for Paris Victims

 

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[Atilla]

Strap your selves in y'all now...

Going to be a choppy ride


U.K. Parliament Gives Theresa May Permission to Start Brexit

Parliament on Monday passed legislation allowing the government to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, with the House of Commons overturning amendments from the unelected House of Lords that sought to restrict May’s room for maneuver. She plans to announce the formal start of Brexit in the final week of March, according to two officials familiar with her plans.

The victory for May in Parliament, where she has a slim majority, allows her to negotiate Brexit with a free hand and consolidates her hold on power in the ruling Conservative Party. She now faces the simultaneous challenge of pulling Britain out of the EU on good terms while navigating a second constitutional upheaval: Scotland’s renewed bid for independence.


Momentus period of history that we are living.

:whistling

 

[dbphoenix]

consolidates her hold on power

That's really what it's all about, isn't it? Here, there, and everywhere.

 

[petetrades]

That's really what it's all about, isn't it? Here, there, and everywhere.

Indeed my friend, these pics illustrate our point.