Ukraine invasion

[timsk]

Excellent article that sums up where the west is at. I don't think it's Putin that's gone nuts - it's us. That is to say, it's the crazed swivel eyed loons running the show - who are all rotten to the core. Enjoy . . .
Harsh reality shocks the mollycoddled West

 

[IlIlIlIlI]

The Nazi face of Zelensky & Co. becomes more and more visible:
"On March 10, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky signed a law enabling the Kiev regime to forcibly confiscate properties belonging to Russia and Russian entities. On April 1, Ukraine’s parliament passed a bill amending the law, which expanded the authority to confiscate properties subject to nationalization to include those of Russian nationals and individuals linked to Russia. Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Shmygal stated on April 8 that all Russian property would be nationalized in Ukraine."

Ukrainian authorities expropriate ten Russian ships at Odessa port

According to Ukraineâs State Bureau of Investigations, it "continues to work hard to detect and nationalize" Russiaâs property

tass.com

To compare:
"Likewise, the German authorities intended to "Aryanize" all Jewish businesses, a process involving the dismissal of Jewish workers and managers, as well as the transfer of companies and enterprises to non-Jewish Germans, who bought them at prices officially fixed well below market value."

Anti-Jewish Legislation in Prewar Germany

Nazi anti-Jewish laws began stripping Jews of rights and property from the start of Hitler’s dictatorship. Learn about antisemitic laws in prewar Germany.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

As a reminder, 70% of Crimea's inhabitants were Russian before the annexation.. More than 60% in Donbass region are Russian. Ukraine didn't pay pensions or salaries to Donbass people since 2015 so they are and were depending on Russian support.
Remember also, that Poroshenko said that Crimea will become Ukrainian or will be depopulated. After that said, Russia went in.

And last not least:

Could attacking Crimea and recapturing Donbass will make Zelensky's popularity in Ukraine surge again?

Answer (1 of 10): This is a loaded question. It is obvious for any sane person that Ukraine will not attack Crimea or Donbas. Zelenskiy is not an idiot to do so, especially after Russian military build-up near the borders of Ukraine. So why did this question even appear here on Quora? The answe...

www.quora.com

Whitewashing Nazis Doesn’t Help Ukraine

The same Western media that once documented and decried Ukraine’s far right is now playing it down and even rehabilitating its leaders — including actual Nazis. Such apologetics aren’t doing any favors for Ukrainians or their fight against Russia’s aggression.

jacobinmag.com

Ukraine has ignored the far right for too long – it must wake up to the danger | Volodymyr Ishchenko

Volodymyr Ishchenko: The indifference of officials and mainstream opinion to the election of far-right MPs is hugely worrying

www.theguardian.com

Mariupol Theater blown up from inside â DPR Militia

According to the Russian defense ministry, the theater was blown up by the Azov battalion nationalists on March 16

tass.com

 

[IlIlIlIlI]

What more will these fools put up with before they stop supporting the war?

German president explains why his visit to Ukraine was rejected

Frank-Walter Steinmeier ‘not wanted’ in Kiev over alleged ties to Russia – or Minsk peace formula German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier. ©...

www.azerbaycan24.com

 

[Atilla]

What more will these fools put up with before they stop supporting the war?

German president explains why his visit to Ukraine was rejected

Frank-Walter Steinmeier ‘not wanted’ in Kiev over alleged ties to Russia – or Minsk peace formula German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier. ©...

www.azerbaycan24.com

War mongers don't want peace.

They want a prolonged war and suffering. They make more money selling weapons and anticipate Russia losing money.

Ukranian and Russian brothers die fighting each other.

Clear enough to see.

• Peace outside of NATO for Ukraine
• War is inside NATO for Ukraine
• NATO is defensive organisation itching to fight wars by expanding up to Russian borders
• US financed Biolabs researching outlawed gain-of-function, supposedly to defend against viruses that are made more transible in humans by gain-of-function research. Go figure!
• Nazi groups trained, financed and organised into combative units (along NATO standards) as long as they fight against Russia - that's ok

All we need now is Right Wing factions gain political control through out European countries one by one.

Be very careful what you wish for. Purge the EU of all ethnic minority groups and foreign migrants. Send them back home and the aryan super race can live happily ever after behind closed borders.


Can see how some scenarios might pan out.

 

[Atilla]

What more will these fools put up with before they stop supporting the war?

German president explains why his visit to Ukraine was rejected

Frank-Walter Steinmeier ‘not wanted’ in Kiev over alleged ties to Russia – or Minsk peace formula German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier. ©...

www.azerbaycan24.com

Just checking alternative MSM sources to see if this news is factual.

Indeed it is. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-president-says-kyiv-did-not-want-him-visit-2022-04-12/

Bild newspaper reported earlier on Tuesday that Zelenskiy had rejected Steinmeier's plans to visit due to his close relations with Russia in recent years and his years of support for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, a project designed to double the flow of Russian gas direct to Germany but which has since been cancelled. read more

The Zelensky is quite an upstart isn't he?
Withholding pensions to those who do not support his views!
Determining who is Ukrainian and who is not?
What other nations i.e. Germany should do and what not?

Is this guy really a democrat or another short arse dictator in the making? You judge.

Germany offers to work towards peace between the two sides and Zelensky slaps the hand away. Hardly a diplomat.

Personally, I'm beginning to think his a tight arse, controlling little shit.

 

[IlIlIlIlI]

Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, a project designed to double the flow of Russian gas direct to Germany but which has since been cancelled. read more

German energy regulator to sustain Gazprom Germania operations

Germany’s energy network regulator on Friday said it would ensure ongoing operations at Gazprom Germania, a trading, storage and transmission business

english.alarabiya.net

The losers - besides all the people in Europe paying more for gas:
Royal Dutch Shell, which financed 10% of the project, may have to write off $1B if it never opens. On March 2, Wintershall Dea revealed that it had decided to write off its financing of Nord Stream 2, which it highlighted totals around EUR 1 billion. On March 7, Uniper announced that it had taken the decision to record a full impairment loss on its loan to Nord Stream 2. The company noted that it will recognize an impairment loss of its loans towards Nord Stream 2 AG in the amount of EUR 987 million.

The saboteurs of the project:
Concerns have mounted that Ukraine and these other countries, such as Poland, would miss out on billions of dollars worth of transit fees every year because of the pipeline, the post said.

Gazprom to pay $2.9 billion in new Ukraine gas deal – DW – 12/21/2019

The Russian energy giant has agreed to settle its longrunning dispute with Ukraine over transit fees. A new five-year Moscow-Kyiv gas deal will also reduce European concerns over the loss of access to Russian fuel.

www.dw.com

 

[counter_violent]

Zelensky has already stated that he won't be giving up any territory, so can someone enlighten me as to what any talks will be about? Russia surrendering maybe, Before they get completely mullered?. Or is it that Putin only has one realistic option....tactical nuclear strikes.
The mind boggles....every article starts with the will of Putin, or, what Putin wants. Absolute joke, he's in no position to dictate anything.

Putin realizes 'there can be no military solution' – DW – 03/31/2022

Exiled Russian oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky says Russian President Vladimir Putin "is stuck" in Ukraine and has only two options going forward.

www.dw.com

 

[IlIlIlIlI]

Zelensky has already stated that he won't be giving up any territory

Ukraine changed its President and its mind:

Saakashvili: Poroshenko in 2014 spoke about "swapping" Crimea for Ukraine's EU, NATO membership

Saakashvili says Crimea could be seen as a "territorial dispute" to deny Ukraine membership in the European Union and NATO.

www.unian.info

I also found that: did Ukraine need the war to hide its impending bankruptcy?:

Ukraine anger as Hungary signs gas supply deal with Russia's Gazprom

Kyiv said the deal was a "purely political, economically unreasonable decision" that was taken "to the detriment of Ukraine's national interests and Ukrainian-Hungarian relations".

www.euronews.com

Can Ukraine do without Russian gas transit fees?

Ukraine, which earns gas transit fees, may have to find ways to rethink its function in the European gas system.

frontline.thehindu.com

As Nord Stream 2 is completed, Ukraine pledges to continue its fight

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has described the new gas pipeline as a powerful geopolitical weapon for Russia.

www.euronews.com

Ukraine Poll Cited by Atlantic Council

Ukraine’s Devastating Problem Is Only Getting Worse Atlantic Council By Diane Francis Ukrainians continue to “vote” with their feet by leaving, and the

www.iri.org

 

[counter_violent]

Ukraine: Fugitive Putin ally Medvedchuk arrested - security service

Viktor Medvedchuk, a Ukrainian tycoon who is accused of treason, was pictured in handcuffs.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[counter_violent]

Ukraine changed its President and its mind:

Saakashvili: Poroshenko in 2014 spoke about "swapping" Crimea for Ukraine's EU, NATO membership

Saakashvili says Crimea could be seen as a "territorial dispute" to deny Ukraine membership in the European Union and NATO.

www.unian.info

I also found that: did Ukraine need the war to hide its impending bankruptcy?:

Ukraine anger as Hungary signs gas supply deal with Russia's Gazprom

Kyiv said the deal was a "purely political, economically unreasonable decision" that was taken "to the detriment of Ukraine's national interests and Ukrainian-Hungarian relations".

www.euronews.com

Can Ukraine do without Russian gas transit fees?

Ukraine, which earns gas transit fees, may have to find ways to rethink its function in the European gas system.

frontline.thehindu.com

As Nord Stream 2 is completed, Ukraine pledges to continue its fight

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has described the new gas pipeline as a powerful geopolitical weapon for Russia.

www.euronews.com

Ukraine Poll Cited by Atlantic Council

Ukraine’s Devastating Problem Is Only Getting Worse Atlantic Council By Diane Francis Ukrainians continue to “vote” with their feet by leaving, and the

www.iri.org

Nobody was interested in pipelines until it was raised a few weeks ago. Now everyone is it seems.

So if you were Zelensky and now losing revenue because of the pipelines running through Ukraine, what do you suppose he might do. The EU is causing Zelensky problems because of these very same pipelines and diversions around the Ukrainian pipelines.

EU is acting both as a supplier of arms to Ukraine and maintaining Putins war in Ukraine via funding of imports from Russia.

Somethings gotta give. There are choices to be made. It now all depends on who makes those choices. Zelensky or the EU. Bear in mind, Zelensky has a much better poker hand than the EU.

 

[timsk]

Somethings gotta give. There are choices to be made. It now all depends on who makes those choices. Zelensky or the EU. Bear in mind, Zelensky has a much better poker hand than the EU.

There is a third option, c_v.
Putin could unilaterally cut off supply which will land Germany in quagmires of brown sticky stuff and be devastating to their economy. Sure, he'll lose the revenue - but only temporarily. There are plenty of other markets for him to explore. I'd bet my house that the Kremlin is doing just that as I type and, as soon as deals are in place, Putin will turn off the taps. Needless to say, if the German economy goes down the pan, the impact that will have on the EU will be enormous. Add in the prospect of Ms. Le Penn winning the French presidency - Ursula von der Leyen could soon find herself out of a job.
Tim.

 

[counter_violent]

There is a third option, c_v.
Putin could unilaterally cut off supply which will land Germany in quagmires of brown sticky stuff and be devastating to their economy. Sure, he'll lose the revenue - but only temporarily. There are plenty of other markets for him to explore. I'd bet my house that the Kremlin is doing just that as I type and, as soon as deals are in place, Putin will turn off the taps. Needless to say, if the German economy goes down the pan, the impact that will have on the EU will be enormous. Add in the prospect of Ms. Le Penn winning the French presidency - Ursula von der Leyen could soon find herself out of a job.
Tim.

Yes, but it's not as simple as just finding new customers. It's all about delivery of product.
If the EU takes 40% of Russia's oil n gas, then if Putin shuts that down, it doesn't mean that his remaining delivery network can up the volumes, as they are likely to be running near capacity anyway.

Mapping the world’s oil and gas pipelines

Every day the world consumes some 100 million barrels of oil and 60 million equivalent barrels of natural gas.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[timsk]

Yes, but it's not as simple as just finding new customers. It's all about delivery of product.
If the EU takes 40% of Russia's oil n gas, then if Putin shuts that down, it doesn't mean that his remaining delivery network can up the volumes, as they are likely to be running near capacity anyway.

Sure, it's a problem - but it's not insurmountable. Get the Chinese onto it - it'll only take them a week or so to build a pipeline or two! ;-)

 

[CavaliereVerde]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/u2cx4l

 

[IlIlIlIlI]

Ukraine: China in Biden, 'genocide? avoid new tensions'

China "has always maintained that on Ukraine the top priority for all parties concerned is to keep calm and restraint, to cease fire and stop the war as soon as possible, avoiding a large-scale humanitarian crisis". (HANDLE)

newsrnd.com

âChemical Hollywoodâ: Senator warns of looming Western-produced Ukraine false flag scheme

Konstantin Kosachev emphasized that over the past decade, the West has been using its clout in the Technical Secretariat of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons in order to "accuse its adversaries of using chemical warfare and here itâs being massively churned out"

tass.com

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/185676/Maduro-says-attacks-on-Russian-culture-athletes-pure-Fascism

 

[Atilla]

Ukraine: China in Biden, 'genocide? avoid new tensions'

China "has always maintained that on Ukraine the top priority for all parties concerned is to keep calm and restraint, to cease fire and stop the war as soon as possible, avoiding a large-scale humanitarian crisis". (HANDLE)

newsrnd.com

âChemical Hollywoodâ: Senator warns of looming Western-produced Ukraine false flag scheme

Konstantin Kosachev emphasized that over the past decade, the West has been using its clout in the Technical Secretariat of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons in order to "accuse its adversaries of using chemical warfare and here itâs being massively churned out"

tass.com

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/185676/Maduro-says-attacks-on-Russian-culture-athletes-pure-Fascism

Won't be the first time colonial powers carry out atrocities and then blame them on their victims. Oh those savages aren't they so horrible.

Double standards and hypocrisy is rife. Even today they still see nothing. What happened to the US chopper guy who fired into a crowd of people where he saw a Reuters guy with a camera on his shoulder mistaking it for a bazzooka or something. What's worse he then fired onto the ambulance and other people who rushed to help the dead and the wounded lying on the ground. Nothing. De nada. Zilch. Or the many tortured to death in cells. Geneva convention they brand about talking about crimes against humanity whilst they perpetrate the very acts they support to hold up as some kind of moral superiority over others.

They asked Ghandi what he thought of Western Civilisation. He replied it would be a good idea. How right he was.

 

[CavaliereVerde]

"On March 10, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky signed a law enabling the Kiev regime to forcibly confiscate properties belonging to Russia and Russian entities. On April 1, Ukraine’s parliament passed a bill amending the law, which expanded the authority to confiscate properties subject to nationalization to include those of Russian nationals and individuals linked to Russia. Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Shmygal stated on April 8 that all Russian property would be nationalized in Ukraine."

Seems pretty fair considering that Russia invaded Ukraine and already destroyed a huge amount of stuff.
I would do the same, maybe I have a nazi face...

 

[CavaliereVerde]

To compare:
"Likewise, the German authorities intended to "Aryanize" all Jewish businesses, a process involving the dismissal of Jewish workers and managers, as well as the transfer of companies and enterprises to non-Jewish Germans, who bought them at prices officially fixed well below market value."

To compare...
Jewish did not invade Germany.

 

[Atilla]

Seems pretty fair considering that Russia invaded Ukraine and already destroyed a huge amount of stuff.
I would do the same, maybe I have a nazi face...

Not Fair Ref.

His been holding pension payments since 2015 or 2017.

Azov Battalion been killing n torturing since 2014.

CIA stopped training them after White House got invaded by them. LOL. 2018.
The west continues to arm them offering weapons.

NATO membership desire got written into the constitution around 2018-ish as well I think but not sure.

Ukraine whilst reporting to be democratic has been trying to exorcise Russian people one way or another. Do you not see that?

When was the last time you went to spec savers?

 

[CavaliereVerde]

His been holding pension payments since 2015 or 2017.

Are you speaking about self proclaimed citizens of separatist republics?
Are they paying taxes to Ukraine?