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This is a fairly accurate timeline of events imo. I had been reading of Russia's discomfort re: expansion of NATO for sometime now.
I was also aware of US deployments of armoured vehicles and weapons to Eastern Europe too. Coupled with the purchase of weapons by Ukraine.
It's not like it was out of the blue. Many talks did take place too.
It was always in US's interest to harass Russia, hence, here we are.
fwiw, Europe is not a strong US Allie as some may think. I think going forward Germans the French and other nations will begin to question why they are incurring all this pain for Ukraine's internal politics and regional conflicts?
There are now some people thinking errrm what have we done? Inflation, loss of markets and talk of WW3 and millions of more refugees. For what exactly? For the US to sell us more weapons to point at innocent people. For big swinging dicks playing military games. Crazy.
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I think this is on the nail imo.
The public in the west are lied to and led like sheep fodder and groomed to follow blindly.
Claims that China had prior knowledge, acquiesced, or tacitly supported Russia's military operations are totally false and are intended to shirk responsibility and smear China, said Wu Qian, spokesperson of China's Ministry of National Defense on Thursday.
China expresses strong dissatisfaction and resolute opposition to such intentions, Wu remarked.
The evolution of the Ukraine issue so far is the result of a combination of various factors, but it is clear to everyone which big power bears the biggest responsibility for today's crisis, Wu said, adding that, "China's approach is in sharp contrast to that of the US, who has created and shifted crisis to others, and reaped gains from it."
The spokesperson also dismissed claims that China provided military assistance to Russia, stating that they are completely false, and have been clarified by both China and Russia.
The US has been disgracefully spreading rumors against China on the Ukraine issue, revealing again its true nature of rumormonger and troublemaker, Wu said.
"We demand that the US side immediately stop such disinformation and slander, deeply reflect on its own dishonorable role in the evolution of the crisis and do something concrete to promote the de-escalation of the situation in Ukraine," the spokesperson mentioned.
When asked about the US' biological laboratories in Ukraine, Wu said that the US owes the world a clear explanation on the issue of its biomilitary activities.
Wu pointed out that biological weapons are of mass destruction, and biomilitary activities are a major issue that concerns international peace and security and the security interests of all countries. Any information and clues of biological militarization activities should be of great concern to the international community.
At the same time, according to publicly disclosed information, dozens of biological laboratories in Ukraine are operated under the orders of the US Department of Defense. The US has opposed the establishment of a multilateral verification mechanism for the Biological Weapons Convention for 20 years.
As a victim of biological weapons, China firmly opposes the development, possession or use of biological weapons by any country under any circumstances, Wu said.
China urges a full account of US' biomilitary activities in and out of its borders under multilateral verification, the spokesperson said.
Regarding comments from US Air Force general Kenneth Wilsbach that China should learn three lessons from the Russia-Ukraine conflict, Wu responded that those who are calling for "lessons" to China must first learn to accept those lessons themselves.
Wu stressed that China has always pursued a defensive national defense policy and an active defense military strategy and is committed to build a community of common destiny with neighboring countries.
Since the founding of the People's Republic of China, we have never invaded other countries, never engaged in proxy wars, never sought spheres of influence, nor participated in any military bloc confrontation. The Chinese military has long deepened practical cooperation with its counterparts of neighboring countries in various fields, playing an important role in maintaining regional peace and stability," Wu said.
He also pointed out that the US is the one with a bad record on security issues, frequently provoking wars overseas and causing serious humanitarian disasters.
When asked about issues related to the island of Taiwan, Wu pointed out that the Taiwan question and the Ukraine issue are different in nature. Taiwan is an inalienable part of China's territory, and the Taiwan question is purely China's internal affair with zero-tolerance of external interference.
Under the Russia-Ukraine tensions, the DPP authorities intensified their collusion with external forces and incited secession, which is the root cause for the current tension and instability across the Taiwan Strait and will only push Taiwan into the abyss of disaster, Wu remarked, adding that "we would like to sternly warn the DPP authority and certain external forces that seeking foreign support to gain 'Taiwan independence' is a dead end, and the scheme to use Taiwan to contain China is doomed to fail."
The Chinese PLA stands ready to take all necessary measures to resolutely respond to any provocative actions that endanger China's core interests or undermine the peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait, Wu said.
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So, now The Narrative is: NATO will act if Russia uses chemical weapons against Ukraine.
Chemical Weapons...repeat...Chemical Weapons, like the Weapons of mass detruction we were all saved from in the war with Iraq...Chemical Weapons....CHEMICAL WEAPONS...OMG...RUSSIA WILL USE CHEMICAL WEAPONS....
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
In an interview it was Putin who first mentioned that Ukraine was developing Chemical Weapons....
I can see where this is heading and what will probably happen next....
Chemical Weapons...repeat...Chemical Weapons, like the Weapons of mass detruction we were all saved from in the war with Iraq...Chemical Weapons....CHEMICAL WEAPONS...OMG...RUSSIA WILL USE CHEMICAL WEAPONS....
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
In an interview it was Putin who first mentioned that Ukraine was developing Chemical Weapons....
I can see where this is heading and what will probably happen next....
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2014 Russia occupies Crimea.
2022 Russia invades Ukraine with more than 150k soldiers and thousands of tanks.
Seems pretty straightforward, do we need chemical weapons, bio weapon? I think no.
Conspiracy theories are useful to think we are smarter than the average guy.
2022 Russia invades Ukraine with more than 150k soldiers and thousands of tanks.
Seems pretty straightforward, do we need chemical weapons, bio weapon? I think no.
Conspiracy theories are useful to think we are smarter than the average guy.
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Not a conspiracy theory. NATO is obliquely informing the grovelling sycophant Volodymyr Zelenskyy that Chemical Weapons need to used by 'someone' before NATO gets involved in the conflict.
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Has anyone watched Scott Ritter - account of the Ukraine invasion yet?
Just watch the first 20mins and hear an honest view or independent take on events from someone in the know with history.
Strongly recommended.
William Scott Ritter Jr. is a former Marine Corps intelligence officer who served with the United Nations implementing arms control treaties, with General Norman Schwarzkopf in the Persian Gulf during ... Wikipedia
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Yeah, he's full of sh1t, just like every other no hoper, can't get a proper job, you tube channel grave yard of has been's and never was's
Arrests and conviction for sex offences[edit]
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Ritter was arrested again in November 2009[52] over communications with a police decoy he met on an Internet chat site. Police said that he exposed himself, via a web camera, after the officer said she was a 15-year-old girl.[2] Ritter said in his own testimony during the trial that he believed the other party was an adult acting out her fantasy.[53] The next month, Ritter waived his right to a preliminary hearing and was released on a $25,000 unsecured bail. Charges included "unlawful contact with a minor, criminal use of a communications facility, corruption of minors, indecent exposure, possessing instruments of crime, criminal attempt and criminal solicitation".[54] Ritter rejected a plea bargain and was found guilty of all but the criminal attempt count in a Monroe County, Pennsylvania courtroom on April 14, 2011.[2][1] In October 2011, he received a sentence of 1½ to 5½ years in prison.[55] He was sent to Laurel Highlands state prison in Somerset County, Pennsylvania in March 2012 and paroled in September 2014.[56]
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Yeah, he's full of sh1t, just like every other no hoper, can't get a proper job, you tube channel grave yard of has been's and never was's
Arrests and conviction for sex offences[edit]
Ritter was the subject in two law enforcement sting operations in 2001.[47] He was charged in June 2001 with trying to set up a meeting with an undercover police officer posing as a 16-year-old girl.[48][49] He was charged with a misdemeanor crime of "attempted endangerment of the welfare of a child". The charge was dismissed and the record was sealed after he completed six months of probation.[49][50] After this information was made public in early 2003, Ritter said that the timing of the leak was politically motivated in order to silence his opposition to the Bush administration's push toward war with Iraq.[48][49][51]
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Ritter was arrested again in November 2009[52] over communications with a police decoy he met on an Internet chat site. Police said that he exposed himself, via a web camera, after the officer said she was a 15-year-old girl.[2] Ritter said in his own testimony during the trial that he believed the other party was an adult acting out her fantasy.[53] The next month, Ritter waived his right to a preliminary hearing and was released on a $25,000 unsecured bail. Charges included "unlawful contact with a minor, criminal use of a communications facility, corruption of minors, indecent exposure, possessing instruments of crime, criminal attempt and criminal solicitation".[54] Ritter rejected a plea bargain and was found guilty of all but the criminal attempt count in a Monroe County, Pennsylvania courtroom on April 14, 2011.[2][1] In October 2011, he received a sentence of 1½ to 5½ years in prison.[55] He was sent to Laurel Highlands state prison in Somerset County, Pennsylvania in March 2012 and paroled in September 2014.[56]
Shoot the messenger! Good one.
I didn't know his sexual background but have you watched his account and pov of events?
Do you apply your moral standards to Boris the Dorris as well or just to those people's point of view that doesn't align with your own?
You are a class act CV! 👏 👏
However, I would sincerely implore you to watch it please, my dear friend.
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I used to be but lately I think every religion is fake.
A way to explain things when ther was no science.
A way to manipulate people.
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Thanks CV - and I agree.
Next question: does your scepticism not extend to other spheres of human activity, e.g. politics? Do you not think that all politicians everywhere try to manipulate people, regardless of their hue and regardless of whether or not they're a part of a so-called democratic system like ours or an authoritarian one like Russia or China?
What I'm driving at - and really struggling to understand - is your (almost) black and white binary view of the Russia/Ukraine conflict. There's mountains of evidence posted to this thread alone that shows beyond doubt that the west are culpable to a greater or lesser extent for what's taking place - yet you appear adamant not to even countenance the possibility that any blame lies with them/us. I simply don't get it.
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2 year ago I watched many videos with Putin on RT, he was saying many right things, for example on USA withdrawing from START.
US was dead wrong in Iraq and Lybia.
Having said that in this case western countries are right and Russia is wrong.
Normally is not easy to define who is right and who is wrong, now Putin has made it super easy.
UN assembly 140 vs 5 , unprecedented...
US was dead wrong in Iraq and Lybia.
Having said that in this case western countries are right and Russia is wrong.
Normally is not easy to define who is right and who is wrong, now Putin has made it super easy.
UN assembly 140 vs 5 , unprecedented...
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Shoot the messenger! Good one.
I didn't know his sexual background but have you watched his account and pov of events?
Do you apply your moral standards to Boris the Dorris as well or just to those people's point of view that doesn't align with your own?
You are a class act CV! 👏 👏
However, I would sincerely implore you to watch it please, my dear friend.
Yes iv'e watched it.
Dya know something Att.
We could set up a you tube channel and do a re-run of the Brexit thread, or the Trump thread, or whatever the topic of the day and I guarantee we would have an audience. People on T2W used to visit the threads daily when we were going at it. If the threads ever went quiet, they would complain that we needed to pick it up again !!!! Unbelievable !!!
Focus on use of certain types of weapons as a trigger for military action is a huge distraction and smoke-screen to coin a phrase.
At one level, all explosive weapons are chemical weapons. Chemicals are what explosives are made from.
Overall, does it matter to the civilians caught in a bombardment whether they died in agony from an exploding artillery shell or in agony from breathing in the fumes from an exploding artillery shell?
The time for dealing with the users of chemical weapons is after a war - preferably before a war.
At one level, all explosive weapons are chemical weapons. Chemicals are what explosives are made from.
Overall, does it matter to the civilians caught in a bombardment whether they died in agony from an exploding artillery shell or in agony from breathing in the fumes from an exploding artillery shell?
The time for dealing with the users of chemical weapons is after a war - preferably before a war.
