scose-no-doubt
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No such thing as bad publicity. That's why I don't get involved any more.
I'm sure every vendor would prefer that there was zero scrutiny.
The bottom line is that all any of you have to do is prove you are profitable traders and there would be no need for further discussion.
To date has a single vendor done that? If they did I didnt see it.
If you think T2W is going to be satisfied with some account statements, you don't know the place, mate
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I don't agree. They love the scrutiny. It's free marketing. .
Which is why several have threatened T2W with legal action and forced them to delete posts or entire threads, because they love it, right.
There's a guy called Nick Elliot on here who's a front for a website that is attempting a viral marketing campaign. I would wager this has backfired on them. The dimwit claimed to have a blog that we found was owned by the company he worked for. He still persists and it's even more lulzy as his employer has obviously instructed him to be nice, regardless of what's thrown at him. I guess commission only jobs aren't going to attract top tier, are they ?
As for MrGecko's comment on post #44 where he suspects that TradingRAW may stop me out of any positions and therefore, bias my review, I can assure you this will not be the case for the following two reasons
................If anything, people trying to expose others often do more harm than good. Think about that attack on J16 recently. It was brutal. I thought that was going to be the end of him. Instead, his membership went through the roof as people see all the comments surrounding him and actually check out his stuff in the first place when they may never have been aware of it...........
However, I do believe that a better review (that is, less chance of being biased) would come from someone who did not have experience of day trading US stocks, as they will have fewer pre-conceptions about what is " good" and what is " bad" practice in this market.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I don't keep up with everything on the site as much as I used too) but I thought those posts were from actual customers. E.g. The whole Davie Robertson thing was people that had actually signed up to his services. That's most definetly what they don't want. Actual paying customers saying its a scam is terrible for them because they have been on the inside and had first hand experience of the practices. But I can't imagine anyone is going to care about a bunch of people saying "he doesn't post his record, I reckon he must be a scam".
So why would Amit be more balanced than the rest of us? Is he selling his soul for 1/2 price spread from your partners or something 'cos I'm letting you know now I'll talk anyone up if the consideration is right.
Bruv, you talk me up in Jan and I will teach you how to do the windmill![]()
Cheers to MrG and Amit. I hope this turns out well for everyone involved.
Peter
It's an interesting point. Whilst I think that people are often too quick to shout "SCAM" without anything of real substance to back it up, I also think that the increased traffic to the suspect outfit (and that is undoubtedly the case) is a price worth paying for the evidenced exposure of scammers.
jon
I appreciate that there seem to be a few people, yourself included, that have taken up the mantle of "T2W Vigilante" in a selfless attempt to expose all scammers.
My personal opinion, is that this is a rather futile exercise.
I'm sure I will come under fire for saying that, specifically because I'm a vendor myself but it's what I believe.
If anything, people trying to expose others often do more harm than good. Think about that attack on J16 recently. It was brutal. I thought that was going to be the end of him. Instead, his membership went through the roof as people see all the comments surrounding him and actually check out his stuff in the first place when they may never have been aware of it.
End of the day, if someone wants to run a scam, they are going to run a scam and get away with it most of the time. Come on, how hard is it to do?
Someones got a paypal invoice to show they paid? How hard is that to achieve? Get a mate to join your service as "proof" and then refund him in cash later on.
I don't know anything about Trading Raw but I bet Dollars to doughnuts he's not going to come out of this looking bad. He's got his name mentioned in almost every single post and now he has a respected T2W member doing a review.
That's great but come on - you think they are going to be negative? If Amit writes a bad review of Trading Raw I will eat a plate of sh*t. All the guy has to do is come on, talk some generic BS and what can Amit say? "Good analysis...it all seemed to be put together coherently" etc. Even if the mentor calls out a load of losers - so what? We all have bad days or even weeks sometimes. As long as he doesn't f*ck up bad which, trust me, he won't when he knows someone is watching, he will be fine. When there are foul practices going on in restaurants etc, you think they are discovered when the restaurant knows the inspectors are in? I don't think so. They clear all the dead cockroaches away. That stuff is discovered by the surprise attack.
I think its a good idea to make people aware of the tell tale signs of fraudulent marketing (and the main one is positive reviews as far as I am concerned, for the reasons stated in my last post) but that's not a sign someone is a scammer. That's a sign that someone is trying to engage in some marketing to get more customers. The reason they might be doing this could be seen as circumspect but it's not an outright sign of a scam to me.
End of the day, the best way to expose a scammer is to actually sign up to their services for a month minimum - not as a reviewer but as a customer - and then write about your experiences.
The guy traded your money and lost it? SCAM
The guy marketed a 90% win rate but had 100 tick stops, 2 tick targets? SCAM
This is factual, helpful information. Much more so than "He's a mentor he must be a scammer" or "he doesn't post a record, he must be a scammer" or "someone recommended him with one post to their name, he must be a scammer".
Just my 2 cents.
Hi pboyles,
Yes, I'm aware of it's flaws.
I added a T2W Staff edit to pavlov's review saying that it might be bogus. I removed it upon receipt of his PayPal receipt. I'm not sure what else we can - or should - do? In this day and age, I think most members are aware that reviews may not be genuine and take all of them with a pinch of salt. All I can say is that if I was a vendor and wanted customers to review my product/service - I'd want the reviews to at least appear genuine. And the best way to do that is stick to the guidelines linked in my earlier post. Clearly, superficially at least, both these reviews appear to be bogus. If I was the owner of TradingRAW - that would worry me - especially if I'm a genuine person with a good quality product or service and both reviewers are genuine customers. If I'm not - and they're not - then I wouldn't care less.
Tim.
Good on you, all people here are asking for is a bit of honesty.