Terrorist Attacks in London?

[fxmarkets]

yeah I did think about all the cables having to be placed over a lengthy time period if this was the case, as for who and why....... lordy, who and what would be gained from it if this was the case ? that guy who did the research mentioned millions of corporate case files being destroyed and what did it trigger, the go ahead for the attack of iraq. But would a country go to those lengths... seems very doubtful I know ,almost beyond belief , but no harm in the researcher wanting to examine in fine detail to rule his theory OUT.

I can imagine the reasercher laying in bed thinking, hmmm somethings odd, about the collapse, not right, in fact its as if it was deliberately demolished due to its uniform and clynical collapse.. and he's got the conviction to follow his internal nagging about it. Besides he only wants open disclosure on all the evidence to be scrutinised and tested , will it happen ... wait and see I suppose. He's doing the public a service ultimately, nothing to fear from having a jolly good look is there ?

 

[Whale Song]

http://www.sign-of-the-times.org/

This site has info which answers many of the questions being asked.

 

[pttrader]

yeah I did think about all the cables having to be placed over a lengthy time period if this was the case, as for who and why....... lordy, who and what would be gained from it if this was the case ? that guy who did the research mentioned millions of corporate case files being destroyed and what did it trigger, the go ahead for the attack of iraq. But would a country go to those lengths... seems very doubtful I know ,almost beyond belief , but no harm in the researcher wanting to examine in fine detail to rule his theory OUT.

I can imagine the reasercher laying in bed thinking, hmmm somethings odd, about the collapse, not right, in fact its as if it was deliberately demolished due to its uniform and clynical collapse.. and he's got the conviction to follow his internal nagging about it. Besides he only wants open disclosure on all the evidence to be scrutinised and tested , will it happen ... wait and see I suppose. He's doing the public a service ultimately, nothing to fear from having a jolly good look is there ?

If I get the gist of what you are saying then you seem to be saying that the gov of the US did this to give a reason to go to war with Iraq. I think that idea doesn't make logical sense. The US doesn't have to go to such great lenghts to try and justiy going to war. Imagine the risks implicated in carrying out such a thing just to give a reason to go to war. I believe the US intelligence thought that Iraq had WMD and they knew that OBL group was in Iraq so they were determined to root them out. The intelligence was(?) was wrong so far about WMD. At least they haven't found enough to be considered much of a threat to the world. However that doesn't mean that they weren't moved somewhere before in the months before the war started. If SH had them do you think he wouldn't try and hide them somewhere else. He had plenty of time to do so. And it is obvious OBL group is in Iraq. You hear about them in the news alot. It is obvious they are there. My personal belief is that if SH he didn't have them he was after getting them. If he did have them then he managed to sneak them out somewhere else before the war started. But lets say that I am wrong. Suppose there actually were no WMD and never were any. In such a case the US intel made a mistake. Is it not plausible that they could make a mistake? It seems illogical to me that all those top level officials including the president sec of state ..congress..etc would be risk their credibility and face becoming the laughing stock of the world by making a claim they "knew" wasn't true. I honestly think they thought they were there. And I might add they might have been at one time.

Also remember that the war was against Afganistan after the towers were knocked down. The Iraq war came after that.

 

[commanderco]

When I posted the article by Steven Jones ( post # 573) it was only meant as background reading to my orginal question.
" How did the seemlingly unaffected WTC 7 building demolish inside its own footprint within a few hours of the plane strikes and within even less time following the instruction to "pull the building" given by its Owner Larry Silverstein"

I am not remotely interested in Insurance Cover or conspiracy theories.
I am not interested in Afganistan, Iraq or Israel.
I am not interested in the White House, Oil or Government Departments that " just plain got it dead wrong.

ALL I want to know is the answer to my question and I figure that a bunch of rational, logical Traders, self taught to only consider what they see in front of them and ignore the peripheral data as being dellusional, are just the boys to provide me with this answer.

 

[pttrader]

When I posted the article by Steven Jones ( post # 573) it was only meant as background reading to my orginal question.
" How did the seemlingly unaffected WTC 7 building demolish inside its own footprint within a few hours of the plane strikes and within even less time following the instruction to "pull the building" given by its Owner Larry Silverstein"

I am not remotely interested in Insurance Cover or conspiracy theories.
I am not interested in Afganistan, Iraq or Israel.
I am not interested in the White House, Oil or Government Departments that " just plain got it dead wrong.

ALL I want to know is the answer to my question and I figure that a bunch of rational, logical Traders, self taught to only consider what they see in front of them and ignore the peripheral data as being dellusional, are just the boys to provide me with this answer.

Why don't you give us the answer to your question. Maybe a chunk of debris hit it and smashed it flat down??

As to what your REAL interest are I point you to your previous posts of 514 and 520. You are definetely interested in oil. To put it blunt: what you are interested in is trying to prove that the US gov knocked the buildings down so they would have an excuse to got to war against Iraq and steal their oil. That is your thesis and what you want to prove. So you grasp for anything such as number 7. For crying outloud dude this was the worst terror tragedy the US has ever had. Why do you want to blame our own government with it? Why couldn't it have simply been the 19 hijakers all muslim as far as we know. You know you are much like the man that got shot by a thief and the courts saying the thief wasn't to blame but the man concoted a conspiracy to get himself shot.

If US wanted to steal Iraqs oil we would. If we wanted to steal our neighbors oil to the south we would. Do you think Mexico could stop us? Now we might have a problem stealing Russias oil LOL.

You are most definetely interested in proving some sort of conspiracy so don't hide behind any uh uuhh seemingly righteous idea that you just "want" to get to the bottom of the truth. You are anti-American and you are looking for anything to punch with. You are interested in finding any thing to cut our country down with. You aren't interested in the truth. You are interested in blackballing America. Well dude for your info we are a great nation. We shall rise above this.

 

[commanderco]

Why don't you give us the answer to your question. Maybe a chunk of debris hit it and smashed it flat down??

As to what your REAL interest are I point you to your previous posts of 514 and 520. You are definetely interested in oil. To put it blunt: what you are interested in is trying to prove that the US gov knocked the buildings down so they would have an excuse to got to war against Iraq and steal their oil. That is your thesis and what you want to prove. So you grasp for anything such as number 7. For crying outloud dude this was the worst terror tragedy the US has ever had. Why do you want to blame our own government with it? Why couldn't it have simply been the 19 hijakers all muslim as far as we know. You know you are much like the man that got shot by a thief and the courts saying the thief wasn't to blame but the man concoted a conspiracy to get himself shot.

If US wanted to steal Iraqs oil we would. If we wanted to steal our neighbors oil to the south we would. Do you think Mexico could stop us? Now we might have a problem stealing Russias oil LOL.

You are most definetely interested in proving some sort of conspiracy so don't hide behind any uh uuhh seemingly righteous idea that you just "want" to get to the bottom of the truth. You are anti-American and you are looking for anything to punch with. You are interested in finding any thing to cut our country down with. You aren't interested in the truth. You are interested in blackballing America. Well dude for your info we are a great nation. We shall rise above this.

Many thanks for your reply PTTRADER.
I see you dont know the answer either.

 

[Whale Song]

When I posted the article by Steven Jones ( post # 573) it was only meant as background reading to my orginal question.
" How did the seemlingly unaffected WTC 7 building demolish inside its own footprint within a few hours of the plane strikes and within even less time following the instruction to "pull the building" given by its Owner Larry Silverstein"

I am not remotely interested in Insurance Cover or conspiracy theories.
I am not interested in Afganistan, Iraq or Israel.
I am not interested in the White House, Oil or Government Departments that " just plain got it dead wrong.

ALL I want to know is the answer to my question and I figure that a bunch of rational, logical Traders, self taught to only consider what they see in front of them and ignore the peripheral data as being dellusional, are just the boys to provide me with this answer.

A few months prior to the 9/11 attacks, Mayor Giuliani bomb-proofed the 23rd floor or WTC-7. Bullet-proof windows, the lot. This is normal procedure for a Mayor's HQ.

The 'pulling' of WTC-7 is a technical term for a controlled explosion. Normally one which collapses a building in it's own footprint or in some way designed to minimise damage to surrounding environment. There were a few 'token' fires in WTC-7. Hardly visible from outside. Certainly nothing that could have been instigated by the other two towers' troubles. The NYC fire Dept are not trained or equipped to 'pull' buildings. Even a relatively small building like WTC-7 would have taken at least a couple of months planning and a couple of weeks work to wire and set. It couldn't have been done 'on the day' - with fires burning.

It is claimed WTC-7 was used a a command centre for the attacks of the missile equipped drone cargo planes on the towers. It was then demolished to conceal evidence of its use. There was no 757 at the Pentagon. The 'crash' site on the route Camp David was several days old with green grass growing through the 'smoking crash site'.

There was no wreckage of a 757 at the Pentagon site. Immediately after the Pentagon was hit (by a small drone) senior executive staff combed the area 'looking for debris'. None of which was handed over to the investigating authority.

A British firm which specialises in pulling buildings and claim to be able to place charges in order to ensure no piece of debris is any larger than prescribed tow-away dimensions has a US presence. This same US group which was utilised by the NYC authorities to haul away the rubble, all, except for less than half a dozen pieces, which were les than the maximum 24 foot truck haulage requirement. As interesting is that the rubble was buried illegally. It should have been made available to the investigating authorities.

As a final note, check out the budget for the investigation into the 9/.11 attack (I think it was about $600,000) compared with the investigation into Clinton's extra-marital cigar exercises - about $40,000,000.

The NYC Fire Dept have dismissed the results of the investigation into 9/11 as 'a farce'.

 

[commanderco]

A few months prior to the 9/11 attacks, Mayor Giuliani bomb-proofed the 23rd floor or WTC-7. Bullet-proof windows, the lot. This is normal procedure for a Mayor's HQ.

The 'pulling' of WTC-7 is a technical term for a controlled explosion. Normally one which collapses a building in it's own footprint or in some way designed to minimise damage to surrounding environment. There were a few 'token' fires in WTC-7. Hardly visible from outside. Certainly nothing that could have been instigated by the other two towers' troubles. The NYC fire Dept are not trained or equipped to 'pull' buildings. Even a relatively small building like WTC-7 would have taken at least a couple of months planning and a couple of weeks work to wire and set. It couldn't have been done 'on the day' - with fires burning.

It is claimed WTC-7 was used a a command centre for the attacks of the missile equipped drone cargo planes on the towers. It was then demolished to conceal evidence of its use. There was no 757 at the Pentagon. The 'crash' site on the route Camp David was several days old with green grass growing through the 'smoking crash site'.

There was no wreckage of a 757 at the Pentagon site. Immediately after the Pentagon was hit (by a small drone) senior executive staff combed the area 'looking for debris'. None of which was handed over to the investigating authority.

A British firm which specialises in pulling buildings and claim to be able to place charges in order to ensure no piece of debris is any larger than prescribed tow-away dimensions has a US presence. This same US group which was utilised by the NYC authorities to haul away the rubble, all, except for less than half a dozen pieces, which were les than the maximum 24 foot truck haulage requirement. As interesting is that the rubble was buried illegally. It should have been made available to the investigating authorities.

As a final note, check out the budget for the investigation into the 9/.11 attack (I think it was about $600,000) compared with the investigation into Clinton's extra-marital cigar exercises - about $40,000,000.

The NYC Fire Dept have dismissed the results of the investigation into 9/11 as 'a farce'.

OK Whale Song, you are saying that WTC 7 was pre wired.
Now my next question is this. " How many other buildings in NY / US are also prewired and on whose authority?"

 

[pttrader]

Many thanks for your reply PTTRADER.
I see you dont know the answer either.

Does it really matter?

 

[commanderco]

Does it really matter?

It matters a great deal if you or members of your family or friends are working in a wired building ... it matters a great deal indeed!

 

[pttrader]

Many thanks for your reply PTTRADER.
I see you dont know the answer either.

Short on words comandante now that your agenda has been brought out to light? I repeat you are anti-american and only wish to find something to smear america with. That is all you are after. You can't fool me dude. May I ask you a question? Is Che your hero?

 

[ivorm]

A few months prior to the 9/11 attacks, Mayor Giuliani bomb-proofed the 23rd floor or WTC-7. Bullet-proof windows, the lot. This is normal procedure for a Mayor's HQ.

The 'pulling' of WTC-7 is a technical term for a controlled explosion. Normally one which collapses a building in it's own footprint or in some way designed to minimise damage to surrounding environment. There were a few 'token' fires in WTC-7. Hardly visible from outside. Certainly nothing that could have been instigated by the other two towers' troubles. The NYC fire Dept are not trained or equipped to 'pull' buildings. Even a relatively small building like WTC-7 would have taken at least a couple of months planning and a couple of weeks work to wire and set. It couldn't have been done 'on the day' - with fires burning.

It is claimed WTC-7 was used a a command centre for the attacks of the missile equipped drone cargo planes on the towers. It was then demolished to conceal evidence of its use. There was no 757 at the Pentagon. The 'crash' site on the route Camp David was several days old with green grass growing through the 'smoking crash site'.

There was no wreckage of a 757 at the Pentagon site. Immediately after the Pentagon was hit (by a small drone) senior executive staff combed the area 'looking for debris'. None of which was handed over to the investigating authority.

A British firm which specialises in pulling buildings and claim to be able to place charges in order to ensure no piece of debris is any larger than prescribed tow-away dimensions has a US presence. This same US group which was utilised by the NYC authorities to haul away the rubble, all, except for less than half a dozen pieces, which were les than the maximum 24 foot truck haulage requirement. As interesting is that the rubble was buried illegally. It should have been made available to the investigating authorities.

As a final note, check out the budget for the investigation into the 9/.11 attack (I think it was about $600,000) compared with the investigation into Clinton's extra-marital cigar exercises - about $40,000,000.

The NYC Fire Dept have dismissed the results of the investigation into 9/11 as 'a farce'.

Total, utter rubbish !!!!!!!!

 

[pttrader]

Total, utter rubbish !!!!!!!!

Thank you!!!!. I agree!

 

[pttrader]

It matters a great deal if you or members of your family or friends are working in a wired building ... it matters a great deal indeed!

The building fell down. It would not have fallen if it weren't for the other buildings that had jets fly into them. It wasn't wired. The government didn't knock it down for crying out loud. The men who flew the planes into the buildings are the ones that are responsible for all the buildings falling down. America didn't do this to itself. 15 saudis and 4 others are the guilty parties from what I understand. America, its people, nor it's government, are the responsible parties for ANY of the buildings falling down. There is no conspiracy. Wait I take that back. Yes, there is a conspiracy. OBL and his group are the ones that conspired! So, please look at the guilty parties. Quit trying to bash America.

 

[commanderco]

The building fell down. QUOTE]

If WTC 7 fell down, why then did Larry Silverstein ( the Owner) publicly state that the WTC 7 was demolished?

 

[Whale Song]

OK Whale Song, you are saying that WTC 7 was pre wired.
Now my next question is this. " How many other buildings in NY / US are also prewired and on whose authority?"

No idea. It could depend I suppose on how many other properties Silverstein has a lease over and has plans for using the insurance for creative redevelopment, with his friends getting attractive deals on the new development. Guess who owns stock in these companies? LOL.

Not just WTC7 pre-wired. Both towers too. They all fell in neat little max 24 foot piles in their own footprint. Made the rubble removal that much easier. You can clearly see in the free-fall of all buildings (although WTC-7 was only shown publicly once) the 'taking out' in a totally synchronised manner the floors below a split second before.

Don't forget it was only a few months before 9/11, and coincidentally round about the same time as Giuliani was kitting out the 23rd floor of WTC that Silverstein acquired the lease which had rested with the good people of NYC since the WTC had been built. He obviously had some really good negotiators and support to crank that one out. One of the selling points of the deal was the better security the buildings would have under a single security umbrella. Also makes it a lot easier for maintenance people to crawl all over the place without too much inter-company hassle. A few months would have been enough for buildings their size.

Look at the smoke. It's black. Oxygen-starved. How is low temperature fire going to melt steel Aviation fuel simply wont burn that hot. Satellite infrared for days after showed a higher temperature imprint on all three buildings than could have been achieved by anything other than high-grade plastic explosive.

 

[ivorm]

No idea. It could depend I suppose on how many other properties Silverstein has a lease over and has plans for using the insurance for creative redevelopment, with his friends getting attractive deals on the new development. Guess who owns stock in these companies? LOL.

Not just WTC7 pre-wired. Both towers too. They all fell in neat little max 24 foot piles in their own footprint. Made the rubble removal that much easier. You can clearly see in the free-fall of all buildings (although WTC-7 was only shown publicly once) the 'taking out' in a totally synchronised manner the floors below a split second before.

Don't forget it was only a few months before 9/11, and coincidentally round about the same time as Giuliani was kitting out the 23rd floor of WTC that Silverstein acquired the lease which had rested with the good people of NYC since the WTC had been built. He obviously had some really good negotiators and support to crank that one out. One of the selling points of the deal was the better security the buildings would have under a single security umbrella. Also makes it a lot easier for maintenance people to crawl all over the place without too much inter-company hassle. A few months would have been enough for buildings their size.

Look at the smoke. It's black. Oxygen-starved. How is low temperature fire going to melt steel Aviation fuel simply wont burn that hot. Satellite infrared for days after showed a higher temperature imprint on all three buildings than could have been achieved by anything other than high-grade plastic explosive.

If it wasn't so sad that people actually believe this drivel, then it would be funny. As it is, I think stuff like this is an insult to the thousands of people who were murdered by Al-Queda. I had friends who were killed in the Twin Towers and I find these nonsensical conspiracy theories an affront to their memory.

 

[Whale Song]

I notice a couple of people are claiming "rubbish" and anti-American.

It could well be rubbish and the NYC fire dept report could be the result of the fire dept being infiltrated by an anti-American cadre of insurgents and terrorists, but I doubt it. I was there on the day and they lookled like regular Joes to me.

As for anti-American, hardly. I'm NYC born and bred, but living now in the UK.

As for the AlQ pilots. Good grief. Half of their number were found to be living in Saudi Arabia after the hits. Source: BBC News.

Security video footage of the Pentagon strike clearly shows something more like a military drone (probably a Global Hawk - the US military have 'lost' 2 of the 6 they originally had) than a massive 757. Just as well as there was no 757 wreckage found anywhere. Neat little punch hole too. Must have been just inches off the ground to leave the upper floors intact. Look at the offices with the walls missing. Computers, books, paper - not melted, not burning, not even scorched!

Eye witness accounts say there was just a whooshing noise. Listen a 757 going 400+ mph a few inches above the ground doesn't go 'whoosh'. Plus a rookie pilot in a 757 doing 400+ mph inches above the ground doesn't do a perfect 270 degree turn and hit the least populous part of the complex. The part that has recently undergone bomb-proofing and defence strengthening work.

 

[commanderco]

Hola Whale Song,

What possessed you to relocate to the charming seaside at Bournemouth?

 

[Whale Song]

Civil disobedience.