Terrorism????...Blame America!!!!

[forex999]

Atilla, very good points, and yes I will agree with the most of the debate - I salute you for that, but you must also remember that you can only fight a sword with sword. Islamic fundamentalism is on rise, and history has show that Islam is NOT a peace loving religion, never has been, never will be!

It is the fastest growing religion in the world as they have spread islma with terror and sword, and off cource they breed like animals, have 4 wives.

even in India, average Hindus have 1 or 2 kids, but muslims have on average 5 to 10 kids
Look at bangladesh, so poor but they continue having kids

Gandhi philosopht does not work in modern day. It worked against the British, because Brits were unique, they respect the enemy. Do you think Gandhi would have worked with Hitler? or Osama? NO NO NO

C'mon guys wake up
Yes dont agree with lots of things Bush did, but I agree with Bhavin that he did try and sort out these islamic terror

 

[forex999]

When does your subscription to the Morning Star expire ?

ha ha ha - i love it!

 

[Atilla]

Atilla, very good points, and yes I will agree with the most of the debate - I salute you for that, but you must also remember that you can only fight a sword with sword. Islamic fundamentalism is on rise, and history has show that Islam is NOT a peace loving religion, never has been, never will be!

It is the fastest growing religion in the world as they have spread islma with terror and sword, and off cource they breed like animals, have 4 wives.

even in India, average Hindus have 1 or 2 kids, but muslims have on average 5 to 10 kids
Look at bangladesh, so poor but they continue having kids

Gandhi philosopht does not work in modern day. It worked against the British, because Brits were unique, they respect the enemy. Do you think Gandhi would have worked with Hitler? or Osama? NO NO NO

C'mon guys wake up
Yes dont agree with lots of things Bush did, but I agree with Bhavin that he did try and sort out these islamic terror

If Islamic fundamentalism is on the rise then I am Superman. Wars are wars and imo Christians and Roman Catholics have caused far greater death and destruction than Islam has. But you are intrinsically hell bent on your phobias and inferiority complexes.

Some guys talk a lot of rubbish about bringing Shariah to parliament. FFS, the whole of Europe has been trying that for centuries and they've got jack and so you guys think a bunch of donkey riding lice infested twits going to take over the world? They can't even control there own countries and civilians let alone others.

You jog on in your notion of regurtiating BS white house propoganda. PS. Even the White House has seen the stupidity of 'War on Terror' and dropped the term, but you are yet to read that piece of news.


You guys are Indian I think so perhaps you'll know the answers to these very serious important questions...

1. Where/Who did India get the technology and finance to explore space travel and build nuclear weapons from and at what cost?
2. Where / Who does India consider to be its main threat in the region?

Similarly,

1. Where/Who did Pakistan get its nuclear technology and weapons from at what cost?
2. Where / Who does Pakistan consider to be its main threat in the region?


We all know India got there first but why? Is it afraid of a much smaller neighbouring country with considerably less popullation?


Two possible Nuclear outbreak regions are ME and India v Pakistan. We can't afford one in the ME yet as we still need to access oil.

Playing devil's advocate here... Timing wise, when might be good idea for India and Pakistan to nuke each other. Considering nuclear fall out will be determined by weather conditions I reckon either Russia or China as well as rest of Asian tigers and perhaps Iran likely to be impacted most.

The Western states as we know it likely to survive pretty much unscathed.

That will be bottom in my fundamental analysis of the markets for sure.


So be careful of your lust for power as it can blind you.

 

[forex999]

Atilla - yes agree i am Indian, and yes agree that Christianity has caused more life destructions then Islam. But I am talking as in now, or even last 300 years.

We got to accept that Islam was spread in the subcontinent with the sword, yes?
all the present day pakistanis, afghanistanis and bangladeshis were all once Hindus or buddhist, right?
in fact the birth of the hinduism was from present day afghanistan and pakistan, right?

yes if there was a nuke then, it is west who will benefit, i agree, but then lets face it, Hindus are not going and spreading terror, right?

the guys who are going on a killing spree are the pakis, YES?
By the way paki is NOT a racist word!

 

[Atilla]

Atilla - yes agree i am Indian, and yes agree that Christianity has caused more life destructions then Islam. But I am talking as in now, or even last 300 years. Most deaths in the last 300 years were in Europe culminating in mustard gas and trench warfare of WW1. Blood lust between Christians and Roman Catholics were not enough they had to have another within 20 years WWII where carpet bombing and the blitz were acceptable behaviour. Wont mention nuking Japan v US war. How about the holocaust? You have a very selective biased and twisted account of history. How many millions of people that died are a historical fact. Check it out. Educate your self out of your little bubble of hate against a neighbouring country.

Alternatively, you can choose to believe most deaths were caused by Islam in the last 300 years and spread false lies because it is the capacity of your little comprehension.

SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIMS?

We got to accept that Islam was spread in the subcontinent with the sword, yes? Where has any country any nation spread any of their habits or culture by donating flowers? Masacre to one nation is lands conquered to another. Depends which side of the fence you are on.
all the present day pakistanis, afghanistanis and bangladeshis were all once Hindus or buddhist, right? What does it matter what country or what faiths any one is when or for how long? All faiths are a path to the creator in all its different beautiful paths.
in fact the birth of the hinduism was from present day afghanistan and pakistan, right? If you say so and I'm happy for you!

yes if there was a nuke then, it is west who will benefit, i agree, but then lets face it, Hindus are not going and spreading terror, right? I'm sure good many people will differ in your opinion of whether Hindus spread terror or not.

the guys who are going on a killing spree are the pakis, YES? No ofcourse not. Pakistan knows it has an internal problem. They've tried assinating their own leaders and succeeded too. They have problems without a doubt but when US invaded Afghanistan they almost faced a civil war. Your handle on the situation is pretty self centred and one dimensional hate biased absurdity.
By the way paki is NOT a racist word!

Depends how you use it. You are so full of hate mate you are like a red bull that only sees red.


It seems to me like you are a religious fanatic and no different to any other fanatic who aims to use religion as a political tool to further ones regional ambitions.

95% of India's popullation lives in poverty and your leaders feel fit to take on space age and build nuclear bombs. I suppose it makes you feel all powerful so I guess you'd say its worth every rupee. Indian nation feels proud. Your choice forgive me for my negative opinions.

In contrast most European countries with bigger economies than India don't have nuclear weapons and moreover, can't justify a space programme such that they have a joint pan-European one to share cost burden. However, civilians have a much higher standard of living.

I'm always saddened by people with your sentiments.

You are beyond reason imo. I just hope other people can see through your deceitful aspertions.

 

[N Rothschild]

beyond me how for some people everyting comes down to religion. maybe im a bit hazey on my history here, but what does ww2 have to do with roman catholics and chrtistians..

 

[Atilla]

beyond me how for some people everyting comes down to religion. maybe im a bit hazey on my history here, but what does ww2 have to do with roman catholics and chrtistians..

If you read some of Forex99s false allegation it may make more sense. I was responding to his false statements. I was merely trying to point out that Islam has not caused most deaths in the last 300 years.

Wars in Europe were essentially fought between Christians (English) and Roman Catholics (ie the Germans, Italians, French etc) as well as the holocaust killing of 6m Jews at the hands of the nazi Roman Catholics.

Europe has seen unparalleled blood letting in the last 300 years.

 

[dick_dastardly]

beyond me how for some people everyting comes down to religion.

I think of it this way, your religion is the operating system and killing in the name of your invisible friend is the application.

Now if you're an atheist then all you get is the command prompt in the top left corner of the screen and you have to write your own programs.

Atheists might get it wrong sometimes and write some pretty bad code but at least we're doing our own thinking.

dd

 

[N Rothschild]

If you read some of Forex99s false allegation it may make more sense. I was responding to his false statements. I was merely trying to point out that Islam has not caused most deaths in the last 300 years.

Wars in Europe were essentially fought between Christians (English) and Roman Catholics (ie the Germans, Italians, French etc) as well as the holocaust killing of 6m Jews at the hands of the nazi Roman Catholics.

Europe has seen unparalleled blood letting in the last 300 years.

that may be the case but it wasn't the reason why the wars happend.

 

[dcraig1]

that may be the case but it wasn't the reason why the wars happend.

Your grasp on what is going in the Middle East is very thin if you think that it's just about religion. A Jewish minority has lived for many hundreads of years in Iran. There are substantial Christian communities in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine. One Christian group in Lebanon is allied with Hezbollah. Some suicide bombers in Lebanon have been Christian. Hezbolollah enjoys the support of Shiites in Lebenon, not just because they are Shiite, but because they are the poorest people in Lebenon. Class is mixed up it it too.

Religion, politics and economics are all intertwined. Bin Laden has said many times that his political objective is the removal of the corrupt Arab govts in the Middle East and the expulsion of foreign military forces. It may be couched in religious jargon, but it is most definately a political objective. It's not the religion of corrupt Arab rulers he objects to - it's corruption and collusion with the West.

In my opinion the rise of the fundamentalists has a lot to do with the failure of previous nationalist/socialists movements and govts to live up to any reasonable expectations and their descent into corruption. Who will stand up for the Palestinians now if the fundamentalists don't ? It seems nobody.

The plight of the Palestinians is a constant reminder of the betrayals of Arabs by the West for many years. This is not a condition brought upon them by their religion, but by the establishment of the colonial state of Israel. In leiu of anything else, Islamists will enjoy substantial and growing support for this this reason if for no other in the coming years.

The war against Iraq, the other great current tradgedy in the middle east also has no religious origin - other than some kooky US fundamentalists urging the neocons on. There certainly has been ethnic violence since the occupation, but the war itself - no.

All the nonsense about clash of civilizations, mindless religious zeolots and all the rest is just neocon propaganda and a crutch for the simple minded or the lazy to avoid really questioning what is going on.

 

[N Rothschild]

the hell you on about we were talking about world war 2 and when did i say anything was just about religion i said exactly the opposite? maybe get your facts straight before you right big condescending posts

 

[Atilla]

the hell you on about we were talking about world war 2 and when did i say anything was just about religion i said exactly the opposite? maybe get your facts straight before you right big condescending posts

DCraig's never the less makes a precise and accurate point. You did mention WW2 but we weren't just talking about WW2.

All these wars are seldom about religion but that religion is used as another tool in achieving social and political objectives of the power hungry elite.

People like bhavin and forex99 are just using religions like Hindus and Moslems to spread hate and ahcieve their aims.

We should unite against hate, **** & war stirring people and correct them from their disastrous ways.

 

[ceydababy]

Your grasp on what is going in the Middle East is very thin if you think that it's just about religion. A Jewish minority has lived for many hundreads of years in Iran. There are substantial Christian communities in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine. One Christian group in Lebanon is allied with Hezbollah. Some suicide bombers in Lebanon have been Christian. Hezbolollah enjoys the support of Shiites in Lebenon, not just because they are Shiite, but because they are the poorest people in Lebenon. Class is mixed up it it too.

Religion, politics and economics are all intertwined. Bin Laden has said many times that his political objective is the removal of the corrupt Arab govts in the Middle East and the expulsion of foreign military forces. It may be couched in religious jargon, but it is most definately a political objective. It's not the religion of corrupt Arab rulers he objects to - it's corruption and collusion with the West.

In my opinion the rise of the fundamentalists has a lot to do with the failure of previous nationalist/socialists movements and govts to live up to any reasonable expectations and their descent into corruption. Who will stand up for the Palestinians now if the fundamentalists don't ? It seems nobody.

The plight of the Palestinians is a constant reminder of the betrayals of Arabs by the West for many years. This is not a condition brought upon them by their religion, but by the establishment of the colonial state of Israel. In leiu of anything else, Islamists will enjoy substantial and growing support for this this reason if for no other in the coming years.

The war against Iraq, the other great current tradgedy in the middle east also has no religious origin - other than some kooky US fundamentalists urging the neocons on. There certainly has been ethnic violence since the occupation, but the war itself - no.

All the nonsense about clash of civilizations, mindless religious zeolots and all the rest is just neocon propaganda and a crutch for the simple minded or the lazy to avoid really questioning what is going on.

I think if you READ the thread you will see Atilla was the one suggesting that WW2 was about religion. Genics actually states IT WASN'T WHY THE WARS HAPPENED.

 

[ceydababy]

Depends how you use it. You are so full of hate mate you are like a red bull that only sees red.


It seems to me like you are a religious fanatic and no different to any other fanatic who aims to use religion as a political tool to further ones regional ambitions.

95% of India's popullation lives in poverty and your leaders feel fit to take on space age and build nuclear bombs. I suppose it makes you feel all powerful so I guess you'd say its worth every rupee. Indian nation feels proud. Your choice forgive me for my negative opinions.

In contrast most European countries with bigger economies than India don't have nuclear weapons and moreover, can't justify a space programme such that they have a joint pan-European one to share cost burden. However, civilians have a much higher standard of living.

I'm always saddened by people with your sentiments.

You are beyond reason imo. I just hope other people can see through your deceitful aspertions.

Totally agree on your opinions of India. Do disagree with your Anti American, Anti British Rhetoric.

 

[ceydababy]

DCraig's never the less makes a precise and accurate point. You did mention WW2 but we weren't just talking about WW2.

All these wars are seldom about religion but that religion is used as another tool in achieving social and political objectives of the power hungry elite.

People like bhavin and forex99 are just using religions like Hindus and Moslems to spread hate and ahcieve their aims.

We should unite against hate, **** & war stirring people and correct them from their disastrous ways.

Try correcting Osama and Al Quaeda from their disastrous ways using

You're in cuckoo land buddy.

It's a utopian idea but wholly unachievable.

 

[brutusdog]

i know this is totally off the point but i cant help thinking that if you cant have sex before marriage your going to be p1$$ed off and angry. this imo is the downfall of many religions.

 

[gamma]

i know this is totally off the point but i cant help thinking that if you cant have sex before marriage your going to be p1$$ed off and angry. this imo is the downfall of many religions.

You are of course assuming that the so called religious follow religious Doctrine!
and follow all the commandments.

 

[dick_dastardly]

i know this is totally off the point but i cant help thinking that if you cant have sex before marriage your going to be p1$$ed off and angry. this imo is the downfall of many religions.

No wonder they all want to die and get it on with 72 virgins.

Hey ! hang on a minute, how come this Osama Bin Laden bloke isn't too keen on going to paradise ?

No ?

It can't be that can it ? Surely not ?

He can't be ?

Can he ?


I wonder if that's what his problem is ?

You know, like Hitler, he had sexual hang ups too didn't he ?

I wonder if ??????...


dd

 

[Atilla]

I think if you READ the thread you will see Atilla was the one suggesting that WW2 was about religion. Genics actually states IT WASN'T WHY THE WARS HAPPENED.

You are hard work...


I did not say WW2 was about religion!

I was highlighting major wars in the last 300 years were conducted by non-moslem nations. To disperse the false hate mongering lies being spread by these Hindu Indians in their hate for Pakistan.

I am precisely making the same point that wars are seldom about religion but more about gaining power and the manipulation of simple minds.


Go back and read it again. :smart:


As has been said before - people see what they want to see. Hate colours ones mind and judgement.

 

[forex999]

You are hard work...

To disperse the false hate mongering lies being spread by these Hindu Indians in their hate for Pakistan.

Hey atila wake up!!!! Hindus do not go about killing the pakis,
did you know that in the history of India, India has NEVER invaded any country
we Hindus do not hate Pakis, we love them, but it is the politics and their hatred of india that creates the problems.

we bend backwards to appease them