Sticky How can T2W better serve its community?

[Trader333]

We want T2W to be a place where you can discuss trading, free from nasty comments and people trying to sell you things.

Following these basic rules will make sure that we achieve this aim together.

1.01 People have a right to be treated properly. Forums are notorious for human beings behaving badly toward each other. We don’t want this on T2W. If you don’t like someone, think their question is stupid, have had a bad day and whatever else you think excuses bad behaviour then deal with it some other way. If it appears on the forums and crosses a line then you can expect it to be dealt with by us.

The text in red answers your question.

 

[counter_violent]

Hmm, i'd rather this slightly heated debate not become a battle of words between members and mods. Mods are just the same as other T2W members, except they have the added responsibility of enforcing the site's guidelines. It comes with the turf.

However, if we take the "simpleton" or "snowflake" examples, by deleting such comments between members, one could argue that the member on the receiving end of said comment is being deprived of much needed advice/ criticism/ reeducation.

 

[Trader333]

However, if we take the "simpleton" or "snowflake" examples, by deleting such comments between members, one could argue that the member on the receiving end of said comment is being deprived of much needed advice/ criticism/ reeducation.

Quite probably true, but if the person then reports it because they have found it offensive then are you suggesting that the reply from Mods should now be "Stop being a snowflake" ?

There have been many cases where posts are reported because someone doesn't like being challenged on what they have posted. In those cases as long as the post is aimed at the content and not the person the report is rejected.

 

[timsk]

The text in red answers your question.

Hi Paul,
Thanks for being specific.


From your posts it's clear that you think that describing someone as a 'simpleton' breaches the site rules you reference. What about 'naive' or c_v's example of 'snowflake'? For added clarity, I've added popular definitions for all three, below.
Tim.

Simpleton
A foolish or gullible person.
Naive
A person or action showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgement.
Snowflake
A very sensitive person. Someone who is easily hurt or offended by the statements or actions of others.

 

[Trader333]

Hi Paul,
Thanks for being specific.


From your posts it's clear that you think that describing someone as a 'simpleton' breaches the site rules you reference. What about 'naive' or c_v's example of 'snowflake'? For added clarity, I've added popular definitions for all three, below.
Tim.

Simpleton
A foolish or gullible person.
Naive
A person or action showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgement.
Snowflake
A very sensitive person. Someone who is easily hurt or offended by the statements or actions of others.

I am not answerable to you and I am not going to engage in your attempt to undermine what I have already previously explained in terms of what is a personal insult. If a post is reported it is dealt with and there will be many cases where posts remain because they have not been reported ie calling some one naive, and are never seen by Mods. As I said let @Sharky decide as I am done with this.

 

[counter_violent]

Hi Paul,
Thanks for being specific.


From your posts it's clear that you think that describing someone as a 'simpleton' breaches the site rules you reference. What about 'naive' or c_v's example of 'snowflake'? For added clarity, I've added popular definitions for all three, below.
Tim.

Simpleton
A foolish or gullible person.
Naive
A person or action showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgement.
Snowflake
A very sensitive person. Someone who is easily hurt or offended by the statements or actions of others.

As far as I can see, these are just everyday words that have been picked up and singled out as somehow offensive to those who wish to close down/ cancel /de-platform others.

All sounds like total nonsense to me, but it's part of a much larger trend affecting all areas of life where free speech and challenging the narrative are being systematically closed down.

 

[TEAMTRADER]

Gentlemen,
Can we bring this topic on 'removal of posts' to a close and agree that the site was designed to encourage others on how to be winners and be charitable to those who have had a bad day.
We humans are all different and a bit of tolerance is often necessary to get through the day. Those who are married will understand completely............
Trading is a stressful business and criticism can only add to the stress.
Let's be pals and agree to support the site.
TEAMTRADER

 

[timsk]

I am not answerable to you and I am not going to engage in your attempt to undermine what I have already previously explained in terms of what is a personal insult. . .

Jeez Paul - why are you being so defensive?!
I bitterly resent the suggestion that I'm trying to undermine you in any way whatsoever - I am doing no such thing. Indeed, I've gone out of my way to make it abundantly clear that I respect the work you do and appreciate what a difficult job it is. I repeat: I'm not having a go at you - I'm merely trying to understand if and how the landscape has changed and what is - and is not - acceptable. So, pray tell me - what, exactly, is wrong with that? Given that you're the main (only?) Mod tasked with policing the site, then surely it's entirely reasonable that any questions in this regard are directed at you?

You're treating me as if I'm some sort of adversary. On the contrary - I'm very much on side - I'm just seeking clarity.

Tim.

 

[Atilla]

I have never called you or anyone else a bigot as that is not a word I would ever use so those are your words and not mine. If I had anything personal against you then you would have been banned permanently years ago as there were many breaches of site rules in the past that easily would have warranted it. The fact I didn't shows that it is a function of moderation only. As you already know, I edited posts made by you recently that had unacceptable language and didn't delete them so your accusation of me having anything against you other than when you post material that is offensive is simply not true and I don't have time to go through editing post after post.

Yes, I do recall you editing some posts and that would be better. Remove paragraphs if necessary, better than removing posts.

Once again unless a party reports a post as being offensive it is better to let it ride imo. Are you saying J Livermore reported my post to you because he was offended?

Also, why not just update the site privacy and notice policy? Sort of a disclaimer. Suggest rude words may be used which is beyond the control of site management and where peeps are offended they can report posts.

Just imagine what a droll life would be if all movies had to be rated PG. Horses for courses n all that.

I was asked to be a mod a few years back and declined precisely because I did not wish to be refrained from expressing myself or adhering to restraint as the Mod responsibility would necessitate upholding strict site policy. I do recognise your work is necessary and exceptionally hard one to deliver.


However, I still feel the simpleton calling me jealous for simply objecting to excessive CEO pay and objecting to low salaries for teachers police and nurses is worse than me stating his explanation is one of a simpleton's point of view.

To put it into context here is the quote from politics thread.
To quote J Livermore: The reason why wages are low is because poor uneducated people have babies which supplies the market with cheap labor. It is absolutely no different than if impoverished immigrants come into the country and lower wages across many industries.

He is stating nurses teachers and police officers are uneducated and not worthy of living salaries. Reason for low salaries is too many babies from uneducated people. Whilst excessive CEO pay for less than satisfactory performance, like dumping sewage into rivers to cut costs and raise profits is acceptable conduct and warrants a bigger bonus. If I call out income disparity ratios in 1:150 then it is because I am jealous but not due to any factual reason. Really??? With all this dribble you take objection to me suggesting he is a simpleton. Amazing???

If this was the case markets would not have reacted in the way they have done to the mini-budget but welcomed rewarding successful CEOs, removing the cap on salaries for bankers and removing the 45% high income tax bracket all totally unfunded. If that wasn't enough, the Tory party is looking to cut back on public spending to make the books balance. ROTFLMAO. This is their solution to create growth in the UK economy. If that isn't the idea of a bunch of simple ideological numpties I have no idea what is. Have to call a spade a spade. Stupid is as stupid does.


Anyhow, in summary, deletion of my 2 x posts has highlighted to me why T2W is becoming a sedative and sterile site which doesn't promote debate but shuts it down. I don't use the term snowflakes or wokes but it certainly captures the character types the site is aiming to appeal for.

 

[Rufus_Leakey]

I ask because although (to the best of my knowledge) I've not described another member as a simpleton, I quite often accuse others of being naive - as in this post to Rufus_Leakey in which I said: "As n_t pointed out in his last post, if you think that Bloomberg are merely trying to report the news faithfully and in an unbiased manner and not influence their subscribers with their opinions and agenda - then you are being spectacularly naive."

I accept that on the ladder of insults, simpleton is a rung or two up from naive but, nonetheless, R_L may have taken offence by my comment and so I too may be in breach of the site rules?

As a "spectacularly naive simpleton," I'm offended that you thought I would be offended by your name calling. But I have no hard feelings, and if you ever get banned from Trade2Win, there will always be places where you can share your thoughts:

 

[timsk]

. . . But I have no hard feelings, and if you ever get banned from Trade2Win, there will always be places where you can share your thoughts:

That tin foil sombrero suits you very well R_L!

I'm not worried about being banned from T2W, not least because if that ever happened, it would prove Atilla correct in his assertion that: "T2W is becoming a sedative [sic] and sterile site which doesn't promote debate but shuts it down". I'm sure that neither Trader333 nor Sharky want that!
Tim.

 

[TEAMTRADER]

Sharky,
Is it possible to get the 'time' of these posts to be GMT?
TEAMTRADER

 

[ditpip]

Please post your suggestions here, all shapes and sizes welcome!

what everyone wants, a shared ea that makes a few dollars a month with small DD.
Cheers, I'm waiting patiantly

 

[Sharky]

Sharky,
Is it possible to get the 'time' of these posts to be GMT?
TEAMTRADER

Sorry for the delay in replying! Sure, you can change your preferred timezone here: https://www.trade2win.com/account/preferences - is that what you meant?

 

[Sharky]

It's been over 8 years since I first posed the question of how T2W could better serve it's community. The site many not have changed radically, arguably trading hasn't changed radically, but the internet has evolved and there's never been more ways we can interact online.

I do feel like a custodian, and extremely grateful, for the wealth of knowledge that has been openly shared over the years. It's a joy to see familiar names still posting who joined the site years, sometimes decades ago.

For a number of reasons I've recently started thinking again about where T2W goes from here. Those amongst you, whether regular or occasional posters, or lurkers, I'd love to get your feedback.

Today, how do you think a site like T2W can be relevant to and supportive of traders. What are the types of information, tools and resources would be beneficial to you, and to new and experienced traders alike. What should we ditch, what should we keep, what should we change.

Any thoughts, please do share...

 

[cara2]

Please post your suggestions here, all shapes and sizes welcome!

I would llke to suggest that a Day Trading subforum would be useful. Brokers, strategies, indicators and behaviours are fairly distinct from longer term activities

 

[TEAMTRADER]

I would llke to suggest that a Day Trading subforum would be useful. Brokers, strategies, indicators and behaviours are fairly distinct from longer term activities

I agree with the suggestion of sub forum/s that are specialised in day trading because -

1. T2W is for traders who need to win rather than lose - it is to me fundamental in the name of the site.
2. Those who do 'day trade' have differing strategies and there is not one of them that are perfect 100% of the time. We could use the forum to CUT DOWN on the loss making trades that are inevitable with all traders.
3. As my TEAMTRADER 'handle' suggests I was part of a Team whilst I was in full time trading and I can assure everyone that 'team' trading is highly, highly profitable. Many eyes on a small number of charts make trading less stressful. A pool of traders who can dip in and dip out of the forum whenever they have time. The objective would be to have several trades over the day and whilst there may be an occasional loss the overall daily trades would be profitable.
4. Generally day traders do not trade every single day and a 'forum' may be a catalyst to get the best out of everyone - and for those who are 'singular' and prefer their own company, they need not contribute. Imagine 5 traders looking at one chart and agreeing on the mext move - and five pairs of eyes looking for the best exit.
5. If such a forum was acceptable then day traders could, almost in a Skype-like manner, be in contact at time sensitive chart action times.

The downside to this suggestion is that policing it - ensuring they don't get extremists and detractors - but that could be down to the forum members themselves.

A Happy Christmas and a prosperous and healthy New Year to Sharky and all the contributors.

TEAMTRADER