Brexit - in or out

Another flaw in the EU rules. As Splitt has pointed out a simple majority should be insufficient to make major changes. The Greeks, Italians, Spanish better go for it while there is still time. Before the Borg like EU get their grips on them and they just become the zombie remains of their past. Scotland beware. You know not what the EU has in store for all it's members. Did someone whisper those dreaded words of a Right Wing resurgence ? Fourth Reich ?
Being led by fools is bad enough but by 2 cold fish ? Aaaagh !!
 
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Hilarious to see the apparent winners of the campaign (the Leave politicians) back-pedalling away from the opportunity to take the helm. Can't blame them but it surely isn't going to calm markets.
 
The government have already dismissed this.
You can't just put a petition to counter a majority vote

Well you can and parliament must debate it. With the vast majority of MPs fervently remain what will they sacrifice? Their personal conviction (and perceived responsibility to do the best for the country) or the marginal will of the people.

I'm not trying to make an argument for trying to get remain by the back door, just pointing up the constitutional dilemma. Referenda don't fit with our representational democracy model.
 
Hilarious to see the apparent winners of the campaign (the Leave politicians) back-pedalling away from the opportunity to take the helm. Can't blame them but it surely isn't going to calm markets.

Both sides will have to shift away from their exaggerated campaign positions. The question is, where will they settle (mid position).
 
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"Our sovereign parliament should bring this nightmare to and end and now vote on whether we should leave the EU" says senior Labour MP.
 
So this is pretty much what happened and in my rough and ready conversations out and about, it was difficult to find remain voices amongst the highest leaver groups.
The graphic posted by c_v neatly summarises voting behaviour. As a consequence, the post mortem debate has focused on why the young voted remain and the old voted leave. Listening to Any Answers with Anita Anand on Radio 4 yesterday I was surprised by the anger expressed by a young remain voter at his elders who voted leave. He accused them of acting out of short term self interest and not giving a second thought about people of his generation and their future. This accusation - which I've heard and read a lot in the aftermath since Thursday - makes no sense to me at all.

Had I voted out of self interest, I'd have voted remain, not leave! As Jon has commented already, as a consequence of the leave vote, there is now a hole in his pension pot, along with everyone else's. Hopefully, it's just a temporary blip and the market will recover. But, it might not, and the people most affected by that are those who don't have the time left to do anything about it. The pound has plummeted, prices are set to rise, starting with an increase in the cost of fuel as early as tomorrow. My wife and I go to Spain at least once a year: ditto with a booze cruise to France. These holidays are likely to get more expensive and, in due course, it's possible/likely that duties on imported wine will be re-instated, putting an end to quality wine at affordable prices. The list goes on.

In spite of the many downsides to voting leave, I did just that by ignoring self-interest and doing what I genuinely believe is in the best long term interests of the country. So, the idea that those of us who are approaching retirement age - or are already retired - voted leave out of short term self interest is one I can't get my head around. It's not older voters like me who will reap the benefits of the country ploughing its own furrow - it's the youngsters.
Tim.

To add a little topical brevity to this heavy discussion - here's a joke heard regularly in the restaurants and cafes of Brussels - right up to 23/06/2016 . . .
Q. How do they know a plane has just landed from London?
A. The whining continues long after the engines are turned off.
 
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"Our sovereign parliament should bring this nightmare to and end and now vote on whether we should leave the EU" says senior Labour MP.


Maybe. Either way, it would have been very informative to the voters if the potential responses to Remain and Leave results had been spelled out and agreed in advance with all parties. All our politicians have a lot to answer for.
 
Watched an Oxford University professor last night on news that specialises in EU law. He said it is highly unlikely that there will be a reverse of the referendum but remains can throw spanners in the loop when negotiations begin on returning control to Britain.
 
Been plenty of Facebook rants from people on the remain side. Had a silent chuckle when I seen this
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The graphic posted by c_v neatly summarises voting behaviour. As a consequence, the post mortem debate has focused on why the young voted remain and the old voted leave.



Not so fast Tim. The graphic only shows which way the referendum voters voted, not what the whole population in each band did. And 80% of young voters didn't vote at all. So we only know that 15% of young people preferred remain and 5% preferred Leave. So we don't really know much more about young people than we did last week: have to admit they've certainly been a mystery to me since a long time ago
 
Young people really don't have enough experience in life to genuinely vote for their benefit. Their voting reflects a bias on their current situation as well as their education establishments telling them how they see it.
 
Young people really don't have enough experience in life to genuinely vote for their benefit. Their voting reflects a bias on their current situation as well as their education establishments telling them how they see it.

That is possibly the most idiotic thing i have read yet on this thread
 
If they wanted a definitive answer they should have asked the London Black Cabbies.
It has really shown up the asking of the general public. Over all undecided, like me.
 
Young people really don't have enough experience in life to genuinely vote for their benefit. Their voting reflects a bias on their current situation as well as their education establishments telling them how they see it.

"If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head."

The young are generally indoctrinated into the idea that " (Big) Government is good"...some never grow out of that idiotic notion.
 
That is possibly the most idiotic thing i have read yet on this thread
Why is it. Young people have no idea about buying a house, experience of navigating the workplace. They are more concerned with socialising, finding love, or life experiences. How many of your age group discussed politics when you were a young adult? Can't you see that or are you just stupid
 
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Now we are debating the experience and intelligence of the people voting, not just here but in general it seems. How in a democracy do you even think that each vote is different, young, old, educated, uneducated, worldly wise and just plain stupid all count.

As I have mentioned already, if Remain had won would this be the debate now, or would it be the people have spoken. As for any suggestions that if you can join the EU with a simple majority then you need a much bigger one to get out, well the people who suggest that are in the stupid camp to me but guess what they collectively had their chance and it has passed.

How can it ever be a democracy unless the will of the people is respected. There was plenty of notice, more than enough debate and 30+ million people were bothered enough to show their feelings on the subject.

Move forward not backwards.
 
that is wicked......:LOL:...I will never get this image out of my head again whenever I see the Scottish leader on TV .....

N

It is the same when I see Trump, all I see is his tiny little hands!
 
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