Brexit and the Consequences

[Signalcalc]

The United States of Europe project - destination super power.

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Verhofstadt has stated many times in his speeches in the EU parliament that he seeks a federated states of Europe, it's no secret, it's been the political plan all along.

None of them anticipated the disaster that Brexit would hold for the EU project, the UK was one of it's strongest pillars under previous leaders (John Major, Tony Bliar, Brown, then Cameron gave it away) 😆

Panic at the disco, all the major players are jigging trying to keep it on track, whilst secretly they probably know it can't happen yet, not now the Eastern bloc and Italy are out of it, UK to go is the disaster waiting to happen to their political project, with Sweden next on the list.

The more the EU disaster approaches, the more irrational remainers get, more angry, just having a laugh a the latest project fear is enough to tell you how desperate they all are.

 

[mike.]

just having a laugh a the latest project fear is enough to tell you how desperate they all are.

Do you use Twitter Sc ? the sheer amount of rubbish fake news remain side is spouting out is unprecedented , Even head of ch4 news has been tweeting that uk has no insulin manufacturers and there will be a shortage after brexit, only to be proved wrong... and dont mention the food stockpiling thats going on now with the army on standby, Then you have all these bed wetters sucking it up like a dyson on steroids..Total entertainment 😆

 

[Signalcalc]

Do you use Twitter Sc ? the sheer amount of rubbish fake news remain side is spouting out is unprecedented , Even head of ch4 news has been tweeting that uk has no insulin manufacturers and there will be a shortage after brexit, only to be proved wrong... and dont mention the food stockpiling thats going on now with the army on standby, Then you have all these bed wetters sucking it up like a dyson on steroids..Total entertainment 😆

Brexit Bingo!

Brexit will cause....drumroll...spin wheel....gonorrhea pandemic
Brexit will cause....drumroll...spin wheel....sandwich shortage
Brexit will cause....drumroll...spin wheel....Bloomberg to relocate to Luxemburger

OK the last one might be fake news, but everything else is true 😆

 

[counter_violent]

Verhofstadt has stated many times in his speeches in the EU parliament that he seeks a federated states of Europe, it's no secret, it's been the political plan all along.

None of them anticipated the disaster that Brexit would hold for the EU project, the UK was one of it's strongest pillars under previous leaders (John Major, Tony Bliar, Brown, then Cameron gave it away) 😆

Panic at the disco, all the major players are jigging trying to keep it on track, whilst secretly they probably know it can't happen yet, not now the Eastern bloc and Italy are out of it, UK to go is the disaster waiting to happen to their political project, with Sweden next on the list.

The more the EU disaster approaches, the more irrational remainers get, more angry, just having a laugh a the latest project fear is enough to tell you how desperate they all are.

As the saying goes.

There are none so blind as those who will cannot see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know.

 

[Splitlink]

I think it was in One of the treaties...can't remember which One, it was some time ago.

The commission wants more democracy going forward by abolishing more veto powers. 😆

You couldn't make this sh1t up !

https://euobserver.com/institutional/139630

Power wats more power. It's happening in UK Parliament right now. Commons wants to abolish Lords. Its the same difference.

Our biggest enemy is global business. Amazon, Facebook, Google etc are our biggest worries because they are eliminating the competition without the need of vetos.

 

[Pat494]

Power wats more power. It's happening in UK Parliament right now. Commons wants to abolish Lords. Its the same difference.

Our biggest enemy is global business. Amazon, Facebook, Google etc are our biggest worries because they are eliminating the competition without the need of vetos.

Shopping on the internet is here to stay. It is so convenient.
To compete there should be mini Amazons etc.specialising in one small field but doing it better than the big boys. Even selling direct from the farm.

 

[Signalcalc]

Power wats more power. It's happening in UK Parliament right now. Commons wants to abolish Lords. Its the same difference.

Our biggest enemy is global business. Amazon, Facebook, Google etc are our biggest worries because they are eliminating the competition without the need of vetos.

Whilst simultaneously spying on everyone that uses their services.

 

[Signalcalc]

Shopping on the internet is here to stay. It is so convenient.
To compete there should be mini Amazons etc.specialising in one small field but doing it better than the big boys. Even selling direct from the farm.

Not going to happen, they constitute one big spying machine, there is no way national governments are going to allow the demise of such a cheap information gathering resource.

 

[Splitlink]

Not going to happen, they constitute one big spying machine, there is no way national governments are going to allow the demise of such a cheap information gathering resource.

Besides, bigger gets bigger. They are, probably, buying up the small farms.

The big outfits have been allowed to get bigger in the name of free enterprise and democracy. We have serious problems with big business and politics in the mix.

 

[timsk]

For anyone who's interested. This young lad, who has his head screwed on, is in a spot of bother. He's got no money but needs to defend himself from the remain state machine. So instead of allowing the state to make an example of him, perhaps the tables should be turned and make an example of the state.

Thanks c_v for the link.

I made a small contribution towards Darren Grimes' appeal and forwarded the link to a handful of people in my address book. One of them being my brother who lives in Canada and, while he takes some interest in UK affairs, doesn't involve himself to the extent that we all do on this thread. He replied saying that - having read the links - he cant quite get his head around what the case is all about. So, in my reply, I attempted to outline the key points as I understand them. I've copied what I wrote to him below because, for the reasons given, I think it's important that everyone supports Darren Grimes' appeal - regardless of which side of the Brexit debate one is on.

. . . Here’s my take on what the story with Darren Grimes and the Electoral Commission is all about . . .

The Electoral Commission (EC) is supposed to be an independent body which oversees elections and regulates political finance in the UK. Its role is to promote public confidence in the democratic process and to ensure its integrity. (Note emphasis.) It’s right at the heart of our democracy. If we start to lose faith in its ability to act fairly and objectively, then the country is up poo creek in a barbed wire boat without a paddle. I don’t (yet) know whether they’ve acted in an unfair and biased way as Darren Grimes claims, but the available evidence suggests that they might have and, certainly, there’s no smoke without fire.

I’ll do my best to summarize the story to date. At the time of the EU referendum in June 2016, Darren Grimes was a 22 year old art student who wanted to do something to get people of his generation engaged in politics. (Relatively few young people voted in the referendum, although they moaned like hell afterwards at the result.) He set up a campaign group called ‘BeLeave’ to promote exiting the EU. He attracted funding and, to the best of my knowledge, was meticulous about how he spent the money - i.e. it all went to further his political objective - and not into his back pocket to be spent in the boozer with his mates! To comply with the rules and regulations regarding spending by political organisations on elections and referendums, he submitted the necessary paperwork to the EC. However, it appears he made an error and, on one of the EC forms, either failed to tick a box (that he should have) or ticked the wrong box. As a result of his mistake, he breached their spending regulations and, consequently, was given a maximum fine of £20k and been referred to the Police. If the Police decide his mistake was not an honest error but, in fact, a deliberate attempt to mislead the EC, then he could face criminal prosecution and possible jail.

Now, supporters of the EC are saying that they are just doing their job and that it’s right and proper that they hand out the maximum penalty to anyone found in breach of their rules. In principle, I agree with this. So, what then is the problem? The problem is that the EC does not appear to be acting in a fair and even-handed way. I’ve emphasised ‘appear’ as perception is everything these days. How something looks (appears) is as important – if not more important – that how it actually is. The main evidence to support this claim is that (so far) the EC are refusing to investigate the government’s own expenses which exceeded the maximum limit by many millions. They (i.e. David Cameron’s government) leafleted every household in the land instructing everyone to vote remain, at a cost to the taxpayer of circa £9 million. On top of that, senior members of the EC are known to be supporters of the remain campaign and are unhappy at the prospect of Brexit. Put the two together, and there’s more than a whiff of a rat!

On the face of it, it appears (there’s that word again!) that the only real mistake that Darren Grimes made was to set up his political campaign group in support of the leave camp rather than the remain camp. Had he backed remain, the suspicion is that he wouldn’t have been investigated by the EC and he wouldn’t now be up to his neck in a quagmire of brown sticky stuff. And that’s why I think it’s important to support him in his appeal to challenge the EC verdict. That said, I hope he loses. Yes, you read that right: for if he wins then, as I said at the outset, it means that we can’t trust the EC to act fairly and impartially. It will not be fulfilling its role to promote public confidence in the democratic process and to ensure its integrity. IMO, that would completely undermine the bedrock of democracy upon which the country rests. And that’s a very serious and frightening prospect indeed.

 

[Pat494]

Sounds on the face of it outrageous that Grimes should pay £20k for a typing error.
It goes to show what a load of nasties run the EU.
He ought to contact his MP to take up the challenge immediately.

 

[sminicooper]

Sounds on the face of it outrageous that Grimes should pay £20k for a typing error.
It goes to show what a load of nasties run the EU.
He ought to contact his MP to take up the challenge immediately.

If you have a good MP then it's well worth contacting them, especially if you have strong views and wish them to be represented. I have recently done this regarding Brexit and Theresa May, and was actually quite surprised to receive a very well-considered and thoughtful response. It helps to dispel the view that all MPs are wasters and in it only for themselves.

 

[Splitlink]

Although a Remainer I agree with Tim on this. 20K, in any case, is well over the top. The least they could have done is to ask the guy to reconsider his form. Something like our friendly tax collector would have done!

Another point is that all his stuff may have been answered through a computer. They don't think, it is or it isn't.

Having shown some empathy I would like to see what he did, on the form. I have learned to have a suspicious mind on everyone and everything regarding Brexit.

 

[Signalcalc]

That said, I hope he loses. Yes, you read that right: for if he wins then, as I said at the outset, it means that we can’t trust the EC to act fairly and impartially. It will not be fulfilling its role to promote public confidence in the democratic process and to ensure its integrity. IMO, that would completely undermine the bedrock of democracy upon which the country rests. And that’s a very serious and frightening prospect indeed

I'm not suggesting that this is a red pill moment for you Tim. I had a red pill moment about a year ago when I finally got around to following the 'news' on Twitter as I couldn't work out what was going on since the Brexit vote and what all the fuss about Trump and Tommy Robinson was. I found a disturbing narrative that was counter to the MSM. I sometimes wish I hadn't found twitter now as it has led me down lots of other rabbit holes and opened my eyes to plenty of other nefarious activities being enacted in the name of the UK government.

It's clear that the bedrock of democracy that the UK has been reputed to hold for such a long time has been under attack by our own successive governments for decades, the EC is just the latest in a line of institutions where people have either lost faith or started to lose faith, I share your concerns and have done for some time and I think this just might be the final nail in the coffin that confirms my suspicions, although I don't want to pre-judge the outcome at this stage 👎

I am grateful that Brexit has opened my eyes just a little more.

 

[timsk]

I'm not suggesting that this is a red pill moment for you Tim. I had a red pill moment about a year ago . . .

Hi Sig',
Thanks for this.

I'm not a sci-fi fan and I've never seen the Matrix - so I had to Google "red pill moment" to understand your point. Yeah, I hear you and, certainly, Brexit was undoubtedly a red pill moment for me. That said, I accept that those on the remain side of the argument might well make the same claim and, furthermore, say that it's us Brexiteers that have swallowed the blue pill and opted for the blissful ignorance of illusion. (I'm sure Atilla must have accused us of that at some point on this thread, lol!)

With regard to Darren Grimes and the EC, I'm mindful of my late father who, I suspect, never had a red pill moment in his life. Certainly not in the context of politics and social justice anyway. He was a trained barrister and was of the belief that there are some people and institutions who are beyond reproach and can be relied upon to act fairly and honorably at all times. I think I've inherited that to some degree and I would like to think it applies to the EC. I used to think it applied to the BBC - but I'm well over that now! I guess it's a slow creep, as one pillar after another falls. I'm not sure I have the emotional and moral fortitude required for the red pill life as I'm inclined towards cynicism and depression. If I could wind back time, I think the blue pill option might have been a better bet for me - albeit the coward's choice. Too late now, lol!
😛
Tim.

PS: One way for me to assuage feelings of cynicism and depression is to listen to the music of this man. Only problem is - I've just forked out silly money to see him live in Plymouth in October. Still, it'll be worth it I'm sure, as he's right up there with the greats; Hendrix, Clapton, Beck and Moore etc.

 

[counter_violent]

If you have a good MP then it's well worth contacting them, especially if you have strong views and wish them to be represented. I have recently done this regarding Brexit and Theresa May, and was actually quite surprised to receive a very well-considered and thoughtful response. It helps to dispel the view that all MPs are wasters and in it only for themselves.

Don't suppose we will get to read this correspondence will we ?

 

[Signalcalc]

PS: One way for me to assuage feelings of cynicism and depression is to listen to the music of this man. Only problem is - I've just forked out silly money to see him live in Plymouth in October. Still, it'll be worth it I'm sure, as he's right up there with the greats; Hendrix, Clapton, Beck and Moore etc.

Good choice 😀😉 funny how blues rock can be uplifting. This track gives me a laugh when I need one, takes me back to childhood, a time when we were free of the responsibilities of the modern world....and Brexit 😀

 

[Atilla]

I think it was in One of the treaties...can't remember which One, it was some time ago.

The commission wants more democracy going forward by abolishing more veto powers. 😆

You couldn't make this sh1t up !

https://euobserver.com/institutional/139630

Nothing wrong in that. Stops little countries from demanding big payouts.

Voting is often based on:

1. debate
2. party lines
3. national lines

Bit like DUP votes, TM pays out 1bn, £1000m or £100m for each of those 10 votes.


It is Brexiteers who don't understand democracy. To cry foul when UK has her way in EU 93% of the time during voting but feels 7% of the time EU voted against UK and somehow that is undemocratic.

You still haven't learnt the numbers game have you? Did you know how to play snakes and ladders 😉

 

[FXX]

Nothing wrong in that. Stops little countries from demanding big payouts.

Voting is often based on:

1. debate
2. party lines
3. national lines

Bit like DUP votes, TM pays out 1bn, £1000m or £100m for each of those 10 votes.


It is Brexiteers who don't understand democracy. To cry foul when UK has her way in EU 93% of the time during voting but feels 7% of the time EU voted against UK and somehow that is undemocratic.

You still haven't learnt the numbers game have you? Did you know how to play snakes and ladders 😉

How can we have our way 93% of the time when all members have to agree on any given issue? Is this more fake news

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[Atilla]

Power wats more power. It's happening in UK Parliament right now. Commons wants to abolish Lords. Its the same difference.

Our biggest enemy is global business. Amazon, Facebook, Google etc are our biggest worries because they are eliminating the competition without the need of vetos.

Yes and the tories will sign a deal with US soon that'll grant power for US corporations to sue UK government if they don't get to change laws to suit them or UK laws and standards impact their bottom line.


People who tout sovereignty are the same peeps who buy into this turdy biziness.

Crazy don't just say it. 😆