counter_violent
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Unless that is fake news and you have been duped dear Mikey, you are doing incredible damage to UK national interest spreading lies and deceit. 🙁
Ok working down that list here are the facts which you can verify online.
1. Denmark rejected 'only' the Danish Maastricht Treaty in 1992.
A referendum on the Maastricht Treaty was held in Denmark on 2 June 1992. It was rejected by 50.7% of voters with a turnout of 83.1%. Wikipedia[/I]
However, there are enough articles online where Danes top the happiness index in Europe. Moreover, since the Brexit vote support for EU in Denmark has risen.
As the Maastricht Treaty could only come into effect if all members of the European Union ratified it, the Edinburgh Agreement, negotiated in the months following the referendum, provided Denmark with four exceptions which eventually led to Denmark ratifying the Maastricht Treaty in a 1993 referendum.
They voted again after amendments.
2. This second line is incorrect. Denmark rejected joining the Euro is not in it.
A referendum on joining the euro was held in Denmark on 28 September 2000. It was rejected by 53.2% of voters with a turnout of 87.6%. Wikipedia
I don't understand how outcome is stated as Accepted.
3. Ireland held three referendum's and only one out of two was rejected, one relating to Treaty of Nice.
Irish constitutional referendums, 2001. Three referendums were held simultaneously in Ireland on 7 June 2001, each on a proposed amendment of the Constitution of Ireland. Two of the measures were approved, while the third was rejected. ... The failed amendment concerned the Treaty of Nice.
fwiw - If you went and asked the Irish people how and what they feel about EU now what answer do you think you'll bet? Especially after the global crash of 2008 when OT building went tit's up?
What does that tell you about making the right decision or people having the right to change their minds.
Made to Vote Again yes indeed. Think twice. 🙂
4. A non-binding referendum on introduction of the euro was held in Sweden on 14 September 2003. The majority voted not to adopt the euro, and thus Sweden decided in 2003 not to adopt the euro for the time being. Wikipedia
So far top 4 of your outcomes on your list is kind of freaky wrong. It was rejected. . 😆
5. The ratification of the EU Constitution was not ignored. Other countries leading one being Spain accepted and further modifications were made to the bill to make it compatible with the Constitution of France. Moreover, the amendment was passed with a large majority including the opposition. Only the Communist Party members largely voted against.
No surprises to see even back in 2005 there was fear mongering with voters minds about accession of Turkey into the EU which most French peeps disagree with. Strange same tactics were used in UK don't you think.
To remind you that ignored outcome is b0ll0cks. Tell your JRM and your fwiends CV & SC so they can be educated on facts and come out of their alternative bubbles of reality. 😆
6. The Netherlands vote and outcome are accurate. 👍
However, here much like the UK one, vote was advisory, non-binding although politicians said they'd act on it. There were few other issues but vote was good and EU would have done well to take heed.
7. The Lisbon Treaty was a minefield and not well constructed. Wrt Ireland turnout was 53% and 53.4% voted No. Considering EU requires all 27 member countries at the time to agree, is about an impossible task to settle as one may imagine. 25% of a small country holding the EU hostage to progress.
This indeed is a weakness in the system. Some call it democracy and some called tyranny. Take your pick.
But you know the people don't understand what they are voting for and to ask the mass public on issues they know not much or care nothing about skews the resulst when migrants and refugees and Turkey's accession or 350m to the NHS take over the debate.
Point 7 as well as 6 is accurate. They were made to vote again.
fwiw - The Lisbon Treaty. The Lisbon Treaty became law on 1 December 2009, eight years after European leaders launched a process to make the EU "more democratic, more transparent and more efficient". Under EU rules, the treaty had to be ratified by all 27 member states before coming into force.17 Jan 2011
8. Greece bailout should be fresh in all our minds. The people voted against belt tightening and changes to Government jobs and pension rules with people retiring at the ripe old age of 40. Greece finance ministry was frauding EU. Who wouldn't vote No should be no surprise.
When the EU stop funding and people could no longer draw money out of Banks they pretty quickly changed their minds and accepted EU proposals to rescue country. Bailout subject to certain pragmatic actions to be taken.
In fact Greek people feel EU manages their country better than their politicians to a large extent.
Here is the outcome Greece’s government has said the country is “turning a page” after eurozone member states reached an agreement on the final elements of a plan to make its massive debt pile more manageable, ending an eight-year bailout programme.
“I have to say the Greek government is happy with this deal,” the finance minister, Euclid Tsakalotos, said on Friday. “But at the same time, this government will not forget what the Greek people went through in the past eight years.”
Your article says ignored! I don't think it was ignored. Greece accepted terms of attached conditions on bailout. It could have rejected EU proposal along with the people. EU called their bluff and Greece backed down.
What kind of referendum was that you reckon. Politicians playing games. Go figure.
9. UK Brexit!!! is still in play and we can see the big mess we are in. Parliament sidelined, business preparing exit plans. Politiicians resigning. Government in a state.
How has EU interfered in any of our decisions should be clear. They haven't said anything. Brits conjuring up punishments and beatings on not having their cake and eating it. Pick n mix crap. You collect our tariffs and we'll collect yours. What a BS proposal of an idea.
1.2m Brits who live and work in EU weren't given the vote either.
Advisory non-binding referendum built on shoddy lies and deceit has freaks and hooligans running country.
Farage leaves UKIP! Really having got what he wanted. Shows you how much managing a bunch of hooligans has cost him. Why is UKIP so unmanageable? Extreme indeed. Punch ups behind closed doors. Gotta laff. 😆
So when to55ers like JRM come out with the dribble that's in those fake results, without any factual substance or looking at finer details, his just another fecked up politicians pursuing self interest lying to the people.
Much like investing in your future ADYOR.
Yada yada, we know how the system works. That's why we are taking back control. One way or another, we will win. 👍
