Brexit and the Consequences

[Signalcalc]

It was always going to be No 4. 😆

yay :clap:

 

[mike.]

It was always going to be No 4. 😆

The only problem with No:4 is, What do we do with the 36.4 Billion we save ? :whistling... We're gunna need a bigger bus Atilla 😆



Jacob Reece-Mogg says: “The liability we are accepting is voluntary, it is subject to an agreement.

“But with no agreement, there is no liability.”

Mr Rees-Mogg added: “The Lords European Committee report from June of last year said that the UK, if it leaves without a deal, has no UK, EU or international obligation to pay any money. :clap:

 

[barjon]

The only problem with No:4 is, What do we do with the 36.4 Billion we save ? :whistling... We're gunna need a bigger bus Atilla 😆



Jacob Reece-Mogg says: “The liability we are accepting is voluntary, it is subject to an agreement.

“But with no agreement, there is no liability.”

Mr Rees-Mogg added: “The Lords European Committee report from June of last year said that the UK, if it leaves without a deal, has no UK, EU or international obligation to pay any money. :clap:

More wishful thinking 🙂. My father thought the same after my mother had walked out - still cost him a pretty penny though.

 

[mike.]

I think there will be a deal in the 11th hour and we will honour our obligations to the EU, But if Barnier starts playing hardball especially over this Irish border fiasco then walking away is the only option, WTO would be easily doable for us, not so much for the EU. I think David Davis is doing a fantastic job from what I read, Not the pushover they were hoping for...

 

[Signalcalc]

The only problem with No:4 is, What do we do with the 36.4 Billion we save ? :whistling... We're gunna need a bigger bus Atilla 😆

Well, there's the White Helmets that the Americans have just stopped funding.
Then there's a few million houses that need building, the need to create a new Carillion
A few more hospitals wouldn't go amiss
Maybe some more prisons also?
Not forgetting the re-cladding of thousands of high-rise tenant blocks.
A few for medical negligence payments
Oh and not forgetting legal migrants that need compensating
Then we can build an Irish wall
Rape gang victims, what about those?
Should we increase our police presence on the streets of London, or is it a bit late for that
And we need to recruit for our military, no, definitely too late for that
and finally, lets build up our internet police force with a few more cyber propaganda experts.

No problem spending 36.4 Billion with that little lot.

 

[mike.]

Should we increase our police presence on the streets of London, or is it a bit late for that.

What happened to good ole fashioned queensbury rules for sorting out a dispute ? Its still employed up eer int north, Plenty of black eyes but never any stabbings..

And we need to recruit for our military, no, definitely too late for that.

We got big Don watching our backs, we dont need to spend just as much in that department 😆



No problem spending 36.4 Billion with that little lot.

 

[tomorton]

I think there will be a deal in the 11th hour and we will honour our obligations to the EU, But if Barnier starts playing hardball especially over this Irish border fiasco then walking away is the only option, WTO would be easily doable for us, not so much for the EU. I think David Davis is doing a fantastic job from what I read, Not the pushover they were hoping for...

I'm not following the customs union and Bexit T&C to-ing and fro-ing. But it seems realistic that if we play the toughest game with the EU, and especially if we try to avoid financial commitments, even if not enforceable in law, we will face much more costly business arrangements with third party countries - they will simply wish to cover the perceived higher risk.

Brexit isn't a war with the EU. Its just another business deal, so we should get something and they should get something. If our negotiations treat it Brexit as an isolated win-or-lose adversarial conflict, we may win the argument but we may well be the poorer for it long-term. I don't think many of our political decisions are taken in terms of 50-year units of time.

 

[mike.]

But there's a real fear Tom of entering some bespoke customs union whereby were still controlled by the EU/ECJ but have no say/vote leaving us in much worse position than before, We need to be prepared to cut all ties and build on WTO, As long as were fully prepared to do that and not bluff then im sure the EU will offer a deal to suit both parties. To be fair the outcome could depend on Barniers arrogance.

 

[tomorton]

Is May's policy perhaps to exit the EU with such a poor deal that sooner or later we have to come back and ask for re-admission? If she thinks Brexit could be worse for the EU economy than for the UK economy, then we might get a more favourable deal than we have been living with so far.

This would comply with the Brexit referendum decision but also get the UK back into the EU, where she wanted us to be in the first place. The sweetened membership deal could be used to sell the deal to the electorate, though I'm not saying there would be a referendum.

 

[sminicooper]

Is May's policy perhaps to exit the EU with such a poor deal that sooner or later we have to come back and ask for re-admission? If she thinks Brexit could be worse for the EU economy than for the UK economy, then we might get a more favourable deal than we have been living with so far.

This would comply with the Brexit referendum decision but also get the UK back into the EU, where she wanted us to be in the first place. The sweetened membership deal could be used to sell the deal to the electorate, though I'm not saying there would be a referendum.

With a bit of luck she won't be around long enough for that!

 

[Atilla]

Brexit debate is hotting up again.

After almost two years country and parties are divided. This was obvious with the 48/52 vote. Hardly a suitable way to conduct strategic national affairs.

A singular party issue has become a national issue.

Whether it is Tory or Labour I think outcome would have been the same.

Such a decision should not be handled this way at all.

The debate to me is remarkably STUPID to say the least.

As before choices are on the table. There are many tiered membership deals on the table and I see no reason why TM thinks a new deal is required for UK???

TM and the Tory party has thus far managed this whole affair in the most appalling way. Same goes for Labour not leading but looking for angle to gain power whatever Brexit outcome is.

With all my heart I believe the LibDems have always spoken the most honest approach to Brexit and one which the country will inevitably be forced into. Irrespective of whether it would cost them votes or not. That is true leadership imo. Negotiate the deal and take it to the people or Parliament (even better) to accept or reject. Pure common sense imo.

Results are clear enough even though recent elections are supposed to be on local issues national leadership is stamped on all discussions and considerations. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43992681


Personally, I'm either for keeping things as they are (opting for one of the lesser common partnerships like Norway or Switzerland or Canada doesn't make much sense to me due to all the reasons given for leaving), that leaves the other binary option, which is all out. One or the other. I don't favour the mixed up daft proposal coming from the cabinet.


"I keep hearing that the rest of the world is able to trade with EU under WTO rules and so why can't we?".

Well the rest of the world is not on EU's door step or have had our history. Moreover, if they could they would jump at the chance and we have Canada's experience that took 7 years to deliver and shows just how much they would like to.

To suggest WTO rules are just as good and we can get by is ludicrous twist on any rational or sound reason.

Yes Great Britain will be able to get by and maybe rise again after a good few lost decades. Assuming of course it is able to. I see an Ireland type economy developing with low tax haven to attract investment in an attempt to keep the young and skilled people here. Otherwise I see smart citizens leaving whilst the country continues down the Commonwealth path, living in past days of glory. It's a little like boxing. One can look good fighting against amateurs. Fight 10 amateurs and get 10 knock-outs. Fight one good decent fighter and get knocked out in the first round. To be the best one must compete with the best. Leading the Commonwealth may sound romantic and glorified but really will be leading a pack of losers and banana republics. The lead is switching from the West to EuroAsia right now. We are going it alone so to speak leading a bunch of highly populated countries with low disposable incomes. Not much of a business case imo.

Hope for the best guys, I say we are either all-in or all out. Stuff custom union membership that's for fringe membership. We are big players not peripheral attendees sitting on the edge of table taking what ever scrap is thrown at us.

 

[tomorton]

Outside the EU we're going to be economically worse off. Possibly to the point of dissolution of the UK, with some states returning to the EU. Possibly the whole of the UK would be forced to re-apply for some kind of EU membership before that happened.

Inside the EU, the UK will cease to exist within a century.

We're ****ed.

 

[Pat494]

Outside the EU we're going to be economically worse off. Possibly to the point of dissolution of the UK, with some states returning to the EU. Possibly the whole of the UK would be forced to re-apply for some kind of EU membership before that happened.

Inside the EU, the UK will cease to exist within a century.

We're ****ed.

It's going to be a rough ride from Brexit onwards but we can survive imho if the self serving hogs and the idiots get out of the way.

 

[Atilla]

It's going to be a rough ride from Brexit onwards but we can survive imho if the self serving hogs and the idiots get out of the way.

"Survive?" 😱

I call that moving the goal post. Going from 5th on GDP league table to surviving 😆😆😆


Pat me agmio, we need a little more ambition and hope than survival. Can you throw some words in there like achieve, accomplish a successful Brexit plz. The sun is out and right now everything looks just super fantastic. Marvel heroes all over the world beating evil. G8 stuff.

There you go!!!

 

[Pat494]

Gotta face up to reality sometimes amigo.
Everything is made elsewhere. The usual sloppy British effort won't be enough.

 

[FXX]

Outside the EU we're going to be economically worse off. Possibly to the point of dissolution of the UK, with some states returning to the EU. Possibly the whole of the UK would be forced to re-apply for some kind of EU membership before that happened.

Inside the EU, the UK will cease to exist within a century.

We're ****ed.

A pinch of positive thinking with your end of the world outlook?

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[FXX]

Is May's policy perhaps to exit the EU with such a poor deal that sooner or later we have to come back and ask for re-admission? If she thinks Brexit could be worse for the EU economy than for the UK economy, then we might get a more favourable deal than we have been living with so far.

This would comply with the Brexit referendum decision but also get the UK back into the EU, where she wanted us to be in the first place. The sweetened membership deal could be used to sell the deal to the electorate, though I'm not saying there would be a referendum.

Have you considered that the eu have no choice but to force a bad deal to prevent other members from following suit. Brexit is going to hurt the eu. They have lost access to 70 million wallets and they have to fill a significant spending gap when you weigh members that pay more than they receive. This delusion that the eu are going to proceed without a hick up is la la land thinking.

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[Atilla]

I've re-edited the speech. Read text then watch Deadpool trailer again.


We are getting close.
You all know the deal.
Intercept EU brake up.
Watch out for zee Germans.
Hit it!
There is EU.
It's in trouble.
Don't let EU get UK
UK can't do this alone.
We need other EU members as backup.
We are going to form a new superduper effing group aka Commonwealth!

..


Good eh! I'm quite pleased with me self on my creative talent. 😎


Love the guy at the end. I just saw the Brexit red bus advert and thought I vote for it. 👍


So who's in? :cheesy:

 

[tomorton]

Have you considered that the eu have no choice but to force a bad deal to prevent other members from following suit. Brexit is going to hurt the eu. They have lost access to 70 million wallets and they have to fill a significant spending gap when you weigh members that pay more than they receive. This delusion that the eu are going to proceed without a hick up is la la land thinking.

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Indeed, they have to play tough. Loss of the UK will damage the EUR-zone but won't derail the USofE process. The worse the EU's economy after Brexit the more (they will say in Europe) that the EU is proven necessary for long-term prosperity. In fact, we could see the EU asking us to come back in on favourable terms in a decade. And we might be so hard up we'll accept, or else see Scotland break away.

The EU is a history project, not a trade association. I'd put the target date for the formal finalisation of the USofE at 2045: either the very start of the year at 1 minute past 12, or on 8th May.

 

[Signalcalc]

It’s academic for the EU what deal the UK decides anyway. The collapse is already underway, everything the EU does from this point forward is either trying to accelerate their already plans, put a veneer on it all or just save what it can.

Although a fair amount will depend on the US, UK, French, Mid East coalition, the EU project has been derailed and they only have themselves to blame for that, socialism just can’t work long term.