Brexit and the Consequences

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What??? EU panicked over Catalonia???

World's gone stupid crazy???

Business and banks will simply leave Catalonia.

Much like Brexit, it just means more businesses will move to locate at other stable and consistent countries with good rule of law and trading platform with free markets.

As for Catalonia, autonomy is not enough some people want bigger cake. Their leaders and their people are equally daft imo. They want independence and yet full membership of EU. So instead of paying money to Spain they'll end up contributing greater amount to EU fund then even Germany and the UK as they find them selves inhabiting an affluent part of Europe by virtue of natural resources and demographic factors. Will they be any happier then? I doubt any mind has considered or weighed the cons and pros of their actions.

Anyhow, much like investing money, businesses will have to go somewhere. That somewhere will be in safe and secure locations providing consistent rule of law and platform for business environment.

Will it be to countries like Poland, Catalonia or London? No of course not.

Will it be to countries like Germany, France and the Benelux countries? Well why not. Madrid even (y)


Daily trash analysis needs some common sense imo. EU panicking indeed. :LOL:

Like Brexiters stroking themselves hearing delightful voices inside their heads. Gotta laf. :LOL:
 
Atilla said:
What??? EU panicked over Catalonia???

World's gone stupid crazy???

Business and banks will simply leave Catalonia.

Much like Brexit, it just means more businesses will move to locate at other stable and consistent countries with good rule of law and trading platform with free markets.

As for Catalonia, autonomy is not enough some people want bigger cake. Their leaders and their people are equally daft imo. They want independence and yet full membership of EU. So instead of paying money to Spain they'll end up contributing greater amount to EU fund then even Germany and the UK as they find them selves inhabiting an affluent part of Europe by virtue of natural resources and demographic factors. Will they be any happier then? I doubt any mind has considered or weighed the cons and pros of their actions.

Anyhow, much like investing money, businesses will have to go somewhere. That somewhere will be in safe and secure locations providing consistent rule of law and platform for business environment.

Will it be to countries like Poland, Catalonia or London? No of course not.

Will it be to countries like Germany, France and the Benelux countries? Well why not. Madrid even (y)


Daily trash analysis needs some common sense imo. EU panicking indeed. :LOL:

Like Brexiters stroking themselves hearing delightful voices inside their heads. Gotta laf. :LOL:
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No clearly no one is panicking over Catalonia are they!
Honestly, why don't you open your eyes and see whats going on across the EU. Just because mainstream media is under instruction not to report, does not mean it's not happening.

I told you it would all fall apart and now it's all happening. The reason it's happening is because people will not be told what they should think, by other people, who franky don't have a clue!

Catalonia to declare independence on Monday. Rajoy is losing the Spanish battle and nobody is listening to the EU.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/862293/catalonia-referendum-independence-european-union-eu
 
There are so many countries now either in defiance of or battling the EU.

I think we can now confidently predict that the next global crisis will emanate from Europe and more specifically because of Junkers EU.
 
When ever any country chooses to leave the EU or stop participating in its evolution it can do so. There is no compulsion in the Union. It is a voluntary organisation and always has been.

Brexit hasn't derailed its continuation and I hardly think Scotland or Catalonia will derail that path either. Same applies to any of the other Baltic states or old communist ones for that matter in case they start blaming the EU for their troubles.

It is indeed a political blame game. I strongly wish some countries would drop out of the EU and see how their politicians and people react. The same story as in the UK and what with blabber mouths sprouting will be played out by other exit politicians. EU was our problem and now we left it still is as they punish us. :LOL:

I think people will eventually see perhaps after 10-20 years that it was a mistake to leave the union and what with new politicians and tail between their legs try to talk their way back in again.

On the other side, France, Germany and the Benelux countries will ultimately unite closer together. More than likely Italy, Spain and Portugal too, including Greece. Then we may see a two tier Europe.

Those in the core will call the shots. Those in the periphery like Norway or Switzerland or UK will simply tag along. UK has pretty much already signed up to the military and security coordination/pact for the defense of Europe anyway. It was always going to be a key player along with France. However, this agreement will be kept quiet and not be released to the public media as it may not be well received. It impinges on national security so will be labelled a secrret. ;)

Reminds me a little of the end of the EU thread and demise of the Euro currency threads. What we are seeing is a strengthening Euro and a new emboldened Europe that will unite her fiscal policies too, harmonising a previous over-sight that bent politicians abused.

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I thought this headline about Boris and current UK politicians on the nail.
 
The UK should never have signed up for the political part of the EU and lost our sovereignty.
The solution is obvious. The EU puts itself into 2 parts and countries can join either or both. The 2 parts being political and economic.
The UK would like to trade with Europe and I expect many in Europe would like to trade with Britain.

Duh

Will the politicians do the obvious and best solution ? I doubt it.
 
Pat494 said:
The UK should never have signed up for the political part of the EU and lost our sovereignty.
The solution is obvious. The EU puts itself into 2 parts and countries can join either or both. The 2 parts being political and economic.
The UK would like to trade with Europe and I expect many in Europe would like to trade with Britain.

Duh

Will the politicians do the obvious and best solution ? I doubt it.
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Regrettably the socialist EU regards its political element as more important than the economic. We originally joined the economic part (because the UK was in such a sorry economic state due to its politics etc etc) even though the long term political aims had been stated, in the hope it would improve our economy – which with suitable UK political massaging it did, but we are now (soon to be were ?) saddled with their political baggage.

Your idea is a good one but the EU politburo will see that it never comes into being. :(
 
sminicooper said:
Regrettably the socialist EU regards its political element as more important than the economic. We originally joined the economic part (because the UK was in such a sorry economic state due to its politics etc etc) even though the long term political aims had been stated, in the hope it would improve our economy – which with suitable UK political massaging it did, but we are now (soon to be were ?) saddled with their political baggage.

Your idea is a good one but the EU politburo will see that it never comes into being. :(
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Absolutely right. The EU is an organisation aimed at the political union of Europe. No different to its predecessor organisations. Economic advantages to members are merely constructed complications to make political union unavoidable except at risk of massive economic disruption.
 
EU panicking? You wish!

As I see it, no matter what the Brexit ambitions of "Divide and Rule" are, the EU maxim of "United we stand, Divided we fall", is, still, holding firm here. There are, still, 27 member states. France has not gone. Italy has not gone.

I can hear Brexiters jeering "Give it time---The breakup is coming." I would answer, so is Christmas. I believe I said that last year. This will be the second one since the British referendum.

The British must get a bit closer to what the EU wants--not what the British want.

In Cataluña, Banco Sabadell has gone to Alicante, Caixabank has gone to Valencia, Gas Natural to Madrid along with other very large businesses. A big blow to Cataluña but, as far as I know, none tried to go outside Spain, certainly not to London.
 
Pat494 said:
The UK should never have signed up for the political part of the EU and lost our sovereignty.
The solution is obvious. The EU puts itself into 2 parts and countries can join either or both. The 2 parts being political and economic.
The UK would like to trade with Europe and I expect many in Europe would like to trade with Britain.

Duh

Will the politicians do the obvious and best solution ? I doubt it.
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EU has always catered for and accommodated the UK. Reluctant moaning member.

UK did vote for all the changes that took place in the EU in agreement to 93% of it approximately.

Moreover, there are alternative FTA Custom agreements available which the UK could opt for as was originally put forward as part of the exit argument.

Now it is more of a matter of denying and/or going back on past agreements and making up new ones.

As before it is a voluntary body with clear and well defined institutions and member voting rights representing all members.

Fact that politicians selling some alternative **** and bull story blaming the EU is selling well at the moment.


Read in the daily trash that 40 countries lining up for trade deals with the UK.

Headless chickens jump up, as high as their wings will lift them.

Sadly, it doesn't include; US, China, Japan or India. They've all told us otherwise, despite personal visits by TM and the British consortium exporting our new Brexit vision.

Now a hard brexit is on the cards again. So we should wait for run on the pound (no need to wait for Labour leadership), rising import prices, inflation pressure and rate rises with collapse of UK industry along with the fleeing of service industries.

I just hope we have some industries left remaining other than hoovers we can export. :whistling
 
Atilla said:
EU has always catered for and accommodated the UK. Reluctant moaning member.

UK did vote for all the changes that took place in the EU in agreement to 93% of it approximately.

Moreover, there are alternative FTA Custom agreements available which the UK could opt for as was originally put forward as part of the exit argument.

Now it is more of a matter of denying and/or going back on past agreements and making up new ones.

As before it is a voluntary body with clear and well defined institutions and member voting rights representing all members.

Fact that politicians selling some alternative **** and bull story blaming the EU is selling well at the moment.


Read in the daily trash that 40 countries lining up for trade deals with the UK.

Headless chickens jump up, as high as their wings will lift them.

Sadly, it doesn't include; US, China, Japan or India. They've all told us otherwise, despite personal visits by TM and the British consortium exporting our new Brexit vision.

Now a hard brexit is on the cards again. So we should wait for run on the pound (no need to wait for Labour leadership), rising import prices, inflation pressure and rate rises with collapse of UK industry along with the fleeing of service industries.

I just hope we have some industries left remaining other than hoovers we can export. :whistling
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Those countries that you mentioned. If they have trade agreements with the EU and the UK breaks off, badly, with EU, they are not going to compromise existing relations with Brussels.

TM has had to postpone talks with China because China has talks going on with US.

I know a man who has a family engineering business, which, when I came out here made stoves for domestic use. Now they are making gearbox casings for car manufacturers. They have opened a plant in China, so EU does have things going on with them.

Who's waiing for whom?

My concern is with Cataluña, at present. I admit it. No point in doing anything else. We must wait and see and it is no good being dogmatic about it, one way or another. An independent Cataluña is going to have it tough, no doubt about that, but Catalans are getting to grips with the fact that it isn't all about national pride and culture. Money and big business wields a very big stick and has, absolutely, no sentiments.
 
The UK may have to get used to the fact that public sector wages may have to go down in line with reduced export earnings. Plus scrapping money wasting projects like the Trident submarines, high speed trains up north etc,
 
Britain had better wake up a lot and face the unpleasant fact that no country owes us a living.
Our goods have to be competitive in price and quality. Years ago I was trying to sell Hoover in a free trade area and our products were overpriced, poor quality and out of date. It was murder !!
 
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