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No, I see real people whove died while trying to help the sick being insulted in pursuit of an agenda.
I don't like MSM very much either
No, I see real people whove died while trying to help the sick being insulted in pursuit of an agenda.
Ok guys, you got me beat.
The whole thing is a gigantic hoax, it’s just a fluey runny nose, no-one is dying from it ‘cos they would have died anyway (won’t we all), the figures are fiddled, hospitals are half empty, MSM is telling nothing but lies, no-one in officialdom has any integrity whatsoever, 99% of the assembled might of scientific and medical brains have been fooled, politicians around the world have joined together and nuked their economies, scared their citizens to death and joined a conspiracy to further some secret agenda. Yeah, right.
Try not to confuse your conspiracy theories.
Ok guys, you got me beat.
The whole thing is a gigantic hoax, it’s just a fluey runny nose, no-one is dying from it ‘cos they would have died anyway (won’t we all), the figures are fiddled, hospitals are half empty, MSM is telling nothing but lies, no-one in officialdom has any integrity whatsoever, 99% of the assembled might of scientific and medical brains have been fooled, politicians around the world have joined together and nuked their economies, scared their citizens to death and joined a conspiracy to further some secret agenda. Yeah, right.
No, I see real people whove died while trying to help the sick being insulted in pursuit of an agenda.
Well, if the brain tumor had caused the seizure that struck just as you crossed the road, you would have to consider citing 'epilepsy' as the cause.
This is merely nonsensical playing with semantics.
Only a proper autopsy can determine the contributory causes to a death.
And obfuscating the cause by citing 'covid' merely because the deceased had tested positive for it's presence is at best deceitful and at worst blatantly fraudulent.
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I bet none of them were administrators or managers who seem strangely absent.
Every organisation the same. Administrators in hiding telling everyone else what they should be doing and how to do it.
If ever we needed a targeted virus to sort out the talking heads, then it's now. Sneaky buggers those admins, they know where to hide whilst the cannon fodder goes into battle.
Ok guys, you got me beat.
The whole thing is a gigantic hoax, it’s just a fluey runny nose, no-one is dying from it ‘cos they would have died anyway (won’t we all), the figures are fiddled, hospitals are half empty, MSM is telling nothing but lies, no-one in officialdom has any integrity whatsoever, 99% of the assembled might of scientific and medical brains have been fooled, politicians around the world have joined together and nuked their economies, scared their citizens to death and joined a conspiracy to further some secret agenda. Yeah, right.
Getting there Jon, well done! But only David Knight believes it's a hoax, so 9/10!Ok guys, you got me beat.
The whole thing is a gigantic hoax, it’s just a fluey runny nose, no-one is dying from it ‘cos they would have died anyway (won’t we all), the figures are fiddled, hospitals are half empty, MSM is telling nothing but lies, no-one in officialdom has any integrity whatsoever, 99% of the assembled might of scientific and medical brains have been fooled, politicians around the world have joined together and nuked their economies, scared their citizens to death and joined a conspiracy to further some secret agenda. Yeah, right.
the figures are fiddled, - They lack clarity. Damn statistics and lies.
hospitals are half empty, - YES for sure. They've cancelled nuff surgeries and outpatient appointments.
MSM is telling nothing but lies, - MSM loves to exaggerate. Just look at how they treat mild weather. Beast from the East.
no-one in officialdom has any integrity whatsoever, - As someone who knows politicians such as Bliar you should know better.
99% of the assembled might of scientific and medical brains have been fooled, - well they have been asked questions and they are doing their best. The decisions around lockdown are from big G. Wouldn't blame them. If I have a cold but go into work because I have to, my dear mum would advise I rest at home and recuperate. Who do I listen to? My mum always knows best. She's no fool.
politicians around the world have joined together and nuked their economies, - Lemmings. They are worried like Trump if they don't act and get blamed for same amount of deaths. I do feel they are unintentionally nuking their economies yes. Clear enough to see. I would let everyone under 50 carry on and advise public to take their own precautions and conduct their risk assessments.
scared their citizens to death and joined a conspiracy to further some secret agenda. - Well it would have been good to have tests and protective kits ready. Testing is just coming on tap now almost after 4 months.
We definitely need an autopsy on our pandemic response and how we might better manage next time round.
Ofcourse there is also the difference in age and risk appetite between different people and given what we know about the virus. So reactions as to what is reasonable and what is excessive likely to differ wildly.
On the other hand, the NHS is admittedly the most top-heavy inflated over-staffed state apparatus ever invented. It is over 6 times larger than British Leyland at its engorged maximum, twice as big as the current Army, and is the 5th biggest civil employer on the planet. The NHS has among the lowest numbers of doctors, nurses and hospital beds per capita in the western world. The NHS does so much less with so much more.
Well if we take your position as 10 and david as a 1, there are folks out there that come in at 3 or a 6 etc etc.Ok guys, you got me beat.
The whole thing is a gigantic hoax, it’s just a fluey runny nose, no-one is dying from it ‘cos they would have died anyway (won’t we all), the figures are fiddled, hospitals are half empty, MSM is telling nothing but lies, no-one in officialdom has any integrity whatsoever, 99% of the assembled might of scientific and medical brains have been fooled, politicians around the world have joined together and nuked their economies, scared their citizens to death and joined a conspiracy to further some secret agenda. Yeah, right.
As far as I can see, Barjon's position has now shifted into minimum position on the Hoaxometer whilst David has turned out to be slightly less sceptical having admitted that are, after all, one or two people who are telling at least some version of some truth.Well if we take your position as 10 and david as a 1, there are folks out there that come in at 3 or a 6 etc etc.
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But only David Knight believes it's a hoax, so 9/10!
Car still would be responsible for lack of due care and attention whilst driving not seeing me having a dancing fit on the middle of a road.
You are the one who is playing smart alek imo.
See if you can come up with another.
That's exactly the point. It's just fakery.
Framing a biased scenario in this way serves no real purpose beyond mildly amusing cleverness.
You could play around with fake scenarios like this one until the cows come home and it achieves nothing.
Cause of death is ultimately established by perfor6ming an autopsy.
To know the cause of death, one then reads the coroner's report.
It may well be that the deceased was a lifelong smoker, had been involved in a road traffic accident, tested positive for covid and suffered seizures from a brain tumor.
Whether it was any of these that resulted in death, or the trauma from three bullet wounds noted at autopsy, is a matter for the coroner to establish.
Some people will have died as a result of contracting a Covid19 infection.
But to assume deaths from all the other usual causes simply stopped happening to anyone who merely tested positive for covid infection is as absurdly ridiculous as it is disingenuous and deceitful.
Framing all those deaths as 'died with covid19' by implying that they all died of covid19 is fake.
What we all want to eventually know, preferably as soon as possible, is how many people actually died due to covid19 as aside from other causes, so that we can then begin to make a realistic assessment of the level of threat it poses to mortality rates and balance our response to it appropriately.
A proper analysis of the full statistics, as begun in the post above this one, is required for this.
Right now, you'd be forgiven for believing that nobody died of flu this year, because all those deaths have been attributed to covid. Somehow, I seriously doubt that that has been the case.
Meanwhile the death toll from unintended consequences and collateral damage of the present policy no doubt continues to mount.
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You can never get an answer. Some people have succumbed directly from the virus. Others have succumbed indirectly as the immune system has gone into “global storm” overdrive in its attempts to combat the virus, this has then had a fatal effect on existing conditions. Others with the virus have died, but where the virus has had no influence.
I doubt that it can ever be established to what extent those with the virus died as an indirect result of the virus or not.
Isn’t it enough that they are dead?
I agree with that.You can never get an answer. Some people have succumbed directly from the virus. Others have succumbed indirectly as the immune system has gone into “global storm” overdrive in its attempts to combat the virus, this has then had a fatal effect on existing conditions. Others with the virus have died, but where the virus has had no influence.
I doubt that it can ever be established to what extent those with the virus died as an indirect result of the virus or not.
Isn’t it enough that they are dead?