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Nope I don't think so...
I always thought you were well switched ON Paul...
I suppose I can get it wrong sometimes too... :cheesy:
Nope I don't think so...
I always thought you were well switched ON Paul...
I suppose I can get it wrong sometimes too... :cheesy:
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The link below shows the odds currently being quoted for Gordon Brown's next job.
http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/uk-general-election/gordon-browns-next-job
I'm having a fiver on him being Raith Rovers next manager.
http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/uk-general-election/gordon-browns-next-job
I'm having a fiver on him being Raith Rovers next manager.
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500/1 The next One Show Presenter.
He would be right at home...sitting talking bollox.....well practiced already.
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Ed Lispy - Balls for Labour leader.
It will make the basta*rds unelectable for years.
It will make the basta*rds unelectable for years.
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Its sad reflection on a proud party that the 3 men handling their negotiations with the Libs are all unelected
Mandy
Adonis
Alistair Campbell
Come on Labour update your philosophy or you are all dead in the water
The old 19th century ideas need changing, they are out of date and plunge any country into bankruptcy.
You can't just tax and spend like no tomorrow - wake up boys
Mandy
Adonis
Alistair Campbell
Come on Labour update your philosophy or you are all dead in the water
The old 19th century ideas need changing, they are out of date and plunge any country into bankruptcy.
You can't just tax and spend like no tomorrow - wake up boys
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I agree, although I'm not sure that Tax and Spend is a C19 idea.
Anyway, it's too late to avoid bankruptcy.
I don't hate him at all, and don't wish him ill in any way.
I think he is a very foolish man and one of the worst chancellors in history. He has no concept of the real world because he cannot get past his ludicrous ideology. He squandered vast quantities of money and has nothing to show for it except serious weaknesses in the economy and appalling long term liabilities (by the way I was saying all this back when even the Daily Mail didn't dare criticise his handling of the economy).
New Labour is built on lies, although i think Brown is honourable enough by the standards of Campbell, Mandelson and Blair. I think he is stupid rather than deliberately wicked, which is more than one can say for most of his party, although he is certainly guilty of many wicked acts.
He was the only one who did well in the election, given the circumstances.
I am a conservative but I am not celebrating his departure. I loathe the Tories and am overjoyed that they failed to secure a majority.
Beyond that, it makes no difference to me which one of the three is the next PM.
The only catastrophic result would have been a Tory victory - all other results are largely equal. Catastrophe has been narrowly avoided, so hope is not yet entirely extinguished.
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I appreciate your respectful comment, However I would choose to disagree with you on that a Con-Lib Government would be good...I would like to see the Conservatives make change for the worst..People need to realise how bad a Tory government is..
Time will tell...
I didn't mean to imply that a Tory-Lib coalition would be a good thing, sorry if it came across like that.
In my opinion it doesn't matter who forms the next government - pick any combination you want, I think they'll all be more or less the same. Some details and timeframes might be different, but I think that's about it. I say this because when the rhetoric is stripped away I think there is little difference between the parties, because I think that the constraints placed upon UK politicians by EU membership is far greater than most people realise, and finally because economic reality means serious constraints. The UK is like Greece - we can't pay the gas bill. OK, it will take a few years to get to the Greece's situation (can't pay the gas bill this month) but we are on our way. Either the politicians do something, or the market does it for us. If you have to borrow to eat, at some point you have to start listening to the creditors.
As far as who should be PM, well Gordon Brown has just as much right as anyone else to try to form the next Government. I would have preferred him to David Cameron actually, although if it is Cameron then there is a good chance that the experience will be damaging for the Tories, which would be good.
I have heard that Gordon Brown is actually personable and charming in real life (I have never understood the media-conferred TV "charisma" that people like Blair, Clinton and Obama are supposed to have - they just look like liars to me. And Cameron's so-called appeal, God only knows). I also think that people should remember that he is still a human being who has had his share of tragedy and must be forever haunted by the fear of losing sight in his good eye.
In personal terms, one could say a great deal more for him than many other politicians - compare how he fared in the expenses row compared to Cameron for example.
I'm no fan - I stated my opinion on his abilities. But would the Tories or Liberals have done anything differently? By their own admission no. Nobody has any reason to rejoice at his departure.
The media is actually to blame for a lot of the unhinged personal vitriol against Brown. They operate as a single swarm - at one point they would not bear the slightest criticism of him, now he is the worst blah blah blah. Absolute nonsense. I yield to no-one in my contempt for politicians, but Brown seems to me to some way above the average.
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Great Post...
It all really comes down to the media...The public are too stupid to understand actual politics and just wait for the media to dumb it down for them..
Once the media pick their is no hope of any government having good PR...
The media was the main reason for Brown failing and Clegg and Cameron capitalising on Brown being unable to have charisma..
Clegg Nor Cameron are too quick too pass up a Photo-op
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Since you mention it
Good riddance imho
and not a moment too soon
A few weazle words from Brown when it was mainly his fault this country is virtually bankrupt - if justice were to be done he and the rest of New Labour would be stripped of all their assets to pay for the coming disaster NOT the poor sods who are going to lose their jobs, familys etc.
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Since you mention it
Good riddance imho
and not a moment too soon
A few weazle words from Brown when it was mainly his fault this country is virtually bankrupt - if justice were to be done he and the rest of New Labour would be stripped of all their assets to pay for the coming disaster NOT the poor sods who are going to lose their jobs, familys etc.
Do you seriously believe your words here Pat.
Who is to blame for the US, Greece, Ireland, Spain or Italy & Portugals plight.
What would have the Tories done any different?
I don't like Brown either but credit is due where its worth and he did manage the country through the rough patch. The Tories response would have been much deeper and severe as was the case before. Industries take years to build and seldom recover.
I think the country knows that. Conservatives are yet to come to terms with what the electorate dealt them.
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Yes, at a human level I have a lot of sympathy for him. His leaving speech was very dignified, and (without any sarcasm intended) about the best I've ever heard him make.
Yes, I've heard too that in private he is supposed to be a different person, charming and funny (except when losing his temper); I heard Neil Kinnock saying it again today on radio.
He reminds me a lot of Ted Heath, who was also very awkward in the way he came over in public, but was said to be better in private. (Rumour had it that Heath was a repressed gay, which might have explained some of his awkwardness).
Brown is a sincere man (in that sense I respect him a lot more than Blair). Unfortunately, IMHO, he is sincerely wrong about a lot of things.
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Well its now that it is mainly over for Brown the person perhaps one should be charitable.
Yes AT I do care.
His legacy is going to be really awful for some. No doubt he will be offered a peerage and will have a huge pension etc but there are thousands who are going to be seriously affected.
The Socialists will try to stick the blame on the very people trying to clear up after his miserably inadequate performance. The champagne socialist free spending party is over and the guilty parties have left - like a load of drunks at a binge. Blair with a reported £20+ million in his pocket and his rear gunner only just gone with the jeers ringing in his ears.
As for the PIIGS - Spain, Greece and maybe others are socialists and listened to the false prophets. So that lack of judgement is their fault and the rest is the busted theory of Socialism from Marx to Brown
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ELECTION FINALLY PRODUCES A RESULT
11-05-10
AFTER five hectic days the general election produced a result last night as the sociopath who has been dicking about with your life for the last 13 years finally got the ****ing message.
One final statesman-like act of utterly tribal, self-serving *******ryIn a historic announcement Gordon Brown said he was standing down but not before he had discharged his constitutional duty to steal the government for the sack of ****-eating weasel ********s who have spent most of their shabby careers licking his greasy balls.
Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said Mr Brown's statement 'smoothed the way towards a stable government' involving an as yet unidentified prime minister, a collection of lying, two-faced whores, some Welsh, Scottish, Irish and possibly Cornish nationalists, a lady from Brighton who drives a car made of yeast, as well as the Roly Polys, the Wurzels and the Average White Band.
Tom Logan, a progressive person from Finsbury Park, said: "On paper that sounds like it should work perfectly.
"That said, I would be slightly concerned that the Wurzels will hold the country to ransom every time they want some more cider, while English taxpayers will end up having to subsidise even more of the Average White Band's funky baselines."
Julian Cook, professor of politics at Reading University, added: "After five extraordinary days I suspect that Britain is now really starting to regret having Lib Dems.
"John F Kennedy once remarked that the 'hottest places in hell are reserved for those who sat on the fence' but of course, I think what he actually meant to say was 'Good God, the Lib Dems really are a bunch of ****ing cocksuckers, aren't they?'."
Meanwhile the prospect of a Labour-led 'progressive' coalition has been welcomed by thousands of limbless Iraqis, torture victims and people whose DNA is now kept on a database because they signed a petition in the post office about a new bypass.
Abdul Al-Kaleem, a former limb owner from Basra, said: "I admire the British Labour Party. They managed to progress my legs off very efficiently, while my Uncle Karim was progressed over a wide area.
"I remember being handed what was left of his chin and thinking 'yes, this is definitely progress'."
Mohammed Iqbal, from Bradford, said that when he was being tortured by the CIA with the tacit approval of the Labour Party he was comforted by the fact that gay people could now form civil partnerships.
He added: "As the electricity coursed through my flailing body and the pliers tightened once more around my already swollen testicles, I smiled at the thought of Elton John and David Furnish having a big, fancy party to celebrate their same sex love."
And bypass petitioner Martin Bishop, who is now snuggled nicely into the DNA database between a murderer and a paedophile, said he was impressed by the progress the police had made in taking dozens of photographs of his house.
He added: "It's all very impressive. They keep my DNA on a big computer and, who knows, maybe one day they can use it convict me for a crime I didn't commit.
"It truly is a golden age."
11-05-10
AFTER five hectic days the general election produced a result last night as the sociopath who has been dicking about with your life for the last 13 years finally got the ****ing message.
One final statesman-like act of utterly tribal, self-serving *******ryIn a historic announcement Gordon Brown said he was standing down but not before he had discharged his constitutional duty to steal the government for the sack of ****-eating weasel ********s who have spent most of their shabby careers licking his greasy balls.
Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said Mr Brown's statement 'smoothed the way towards a stable government' involving an as yet unidentified prime minister, a collection of lying, two-faced whores, some Welsh, Scottish, Irish and possibly Cornish nationalists, a lady from Brighton who drives a car made of yeast, as well as the Roly Polys, the Wurzels and the Average White Band.
Tom Logan, a progressive person from Finsbury Park, said: "On paper that sounds like it should work perfectly.
"That said, I would be slightly concerned that the Wurzels will hold the country to ransom every time they want some more cider, while English taxpayers will end up having to subsidise even more of the Average White Band's funky baselines."
Julian Cook, professor of politics at Reading University, added: "After five extraordinary days I suspect that Britain is now really starting to regret having Lib Dems.
"John F Kennedy once remarked that the 'hottest places in hell are reserved for those who sat on the fence' but of course, I think what he actually meant to say was 'Good God, the Lib Dems really are a bunch of ****ing cocksuckers, aren't they?'."
Meanwhile the prospect of a Labour-led 'progressive' coalition has been welcomed by thousands of limbless Iraqis, torture victims and people whose DNA is now kept on a database because they signed a petition in the post office about a new bypass.
Abdul Al-Kaleem, a former limb owner from Basra, said: "I admire the British Labour Party. They managed to progress my legs off very efficiently, while my Uncle Karim was progressed over a wide area.
"I remember being handed what was left of his chin and thinking 'yes, this is definitely progress'."
Mohammed Iqbal, from Bradford, said that when he was being tortured by the CIA with the tacit approval of the Labour Party he was comforted by the fact that gay people could now form civil partnerships.
He added: "As the electricity coursed through my flailing body and the pliers tightened once more around my already swollen testicles, I smiled at the thought of Elton John and David Furnish having a big, fancy party to celebrate their same sex love."
And bypass petitioner Martin Bishop, who is now snuggled nicely into the DNA database between a murderer and a paedophile, said he was impressed by the progress the police had made in taking dozens of photographs of his house.
He added: "It's all very impressive. They keep my DNA on a big computer and, who knows, maybe one day they can use it convict me for a crime I didn't commit.
"It truly is a golden age."
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Very good CV, but if you seriously think that Conservatives have any real commitment to civil liberties, then you have some disappointments in store.
Sure, there is a libertarian side to Conservatism, but that's basically rooted in the freedom of rich people to build where they like, exploit who they like, and basically do what they like.
Proles are supposed to do what they are told and keep a civil tongue in their head.
These are the people who threatened to shoot peaceful Greenham Common protestors, sealed off the roads during the miners' strike, and made full use of the powers of the secret state against their political enemies.
When the going gets tough, the velvet gloves will come off revealing the mailed fists and public school charmers will turn into upper-class thugs.
The LibDems may think they will be able to temper some of the excesses, but they have now locked themselves into a 5-year deal. I don't think it will take them as long as 5 months before they realise that this was a big mistake.
Sure, there is a libertarian side to Conservatism, but that's basically rooted in the freedom of rich people to build where they like, exploit who they like, and basically do what they like.
Proles are supposed to do what they are told and keep a civil tongue in their head.
These are the people who threatened to shoot peaceful Greenham Common protestors, sealed off the roads during the miners' strike, and made full use of the powers of the secret state against their political enemies.
When the going gets tough, the velvet gloves will come off revealing the mailed fists and public school charmers will turn into upper-class thugs.
The LibDems may think they will be able to temper some of the excesses, but they have now locked themselves into a 5-year deal. I don't think it will take them as long as 5 months before they realise that this was a big mistake.
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It was anything but a peaceful protest.
I was a union rep at the time of this and the mistake that was made by the leaders of the strike was that it was illegal. This is why the Labour Party would not support it. I fully sympathise with what was happening to the industry and I was very against it but what you are suggesting is that the law should be ignored and that cannot be allowed.
Scargill knew that he risked not getting a legal vote through and that is why he decided not to have one. To have allowed this to go ahead when against the law would have resulted in anarchy as more and more of the population realised that they can do what the hell they want without repercussions of it being against the law.
Paul
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They have a lot to learn about each other's worlds
The tragedy of politics is that it usually ends in tears
