Trump Presidency and the Consequences

[dbphoenix]

[Douglas] Brinkley, who has published biographies of such presidents as Gerald Ford, Franklin Roosevelt and Theodore Roosevelt, said of Trump’s start, “This is the most failed first 100 days of any president.”

“To be as low as he is in the polls, in the 30s, while the FBI director is on television saying they launched an investigation into your ties with Russia, I don’t know how it can get much worse,” Brinkley said.

But Trump’s supporters have proved largely impervious to the political winds, at least so far. The president jetted late Monday to Louisville, to rev up another mega-rally crowd — separating himself from the swamp of Washington by more than 600 miles.

“My gut is that he’s bulletproof with his base,” said Austin Barbour, a Mississippi-based Republican strategist. “There’s just this massive distrust of Washington, and whether that’s fair or not — of Washington, of the intelligence community, of Congress, of the judicial branch — it’s just the reality outside of the Beltway.”

But his base continues to shrink . . .

 

[Atilla]

I was thinking about Trump Care Bill as reported by the BBC this evening. I recognise Republicans considering voting against the bill and so forth but what I understand, it basically is a survival of the fittest bill.

There is no care. It is more a case of Trump Don't Care Bill. Society does not care.

It goes without saying the old should pay more than the young but the young may pay insurance and not use it. So monies paid when young go to cover insurance when they age.

I assume one has to remain with same insurance company for this to be the case. Having a privatised system doesn't lend it self to managing it effectvively. It really sounds like one big mess.

If the aged aren't millionaires or well off with jobs, then they have no chance of meeting their health insurance bills / costs. It may encourage one to become fit, eat healthy and take care of them selves.

I also think as sick people die off for various reasons, demand for health care should fall. Especially for elderly non-productive people. Then society will become more efficient and productive not having to support the sick and elderly.

This may effect aggregate demand but from a capitalistic pov, it will divert resources. Pensions payouts / payins likey to be impacted too.


It really speaks volumes about the richest and most advanced country in the world not caring about the well being of her members that makes up society.


Also, heard some elderly Americans say they liked what Trump said when electioneering and now a little dumb struck as to what they may have done and what the outcomes on their well being may be...

All very interesting stuff. From my psychotic perspective, yeah sure, let the weak, old and infirm die and only take care of the rich and strong. I can see how this will help pure capitalists. Firms will not have to meet health insurance bill. It becomes individual responsibility.

The system will right it self because humans are survivors and robust enough to change.

Not something I favour as I do feel a basic level of support cover is necessary for all people. Just that I can see where this bill might take America. Will be interesting to watch and observe outcome and how it plays out.

Rock on America! Every Which Way but Lose.

 

[dbphoenix]

Yes, this healthcare situation tells you pretty much everything you need to know about Republicans. But the situation is not all that different in the UK and Western Europe. The question now is what kind of people are we? It'll be interesting to learn the answer.

 

[dbphoenix]

Trumpcare is causing Wall Street to question Trump's whole economic agenda

 

[Atilla]

I think cutting regulation and Environment Agency Funding will see more disasters like this in the US...


https://www.theguardian.com/environ...er-hit-with-record-fine-for-huge-sewage-leaks


If not for people responding and Environments Agency taking legal action, Thames Water would have carried on as they were.


Think about it!!! It could come to a neighbourhood you may be living in one way or another.

 

[dbphoenix]

The good old days when sewage was pumped directly into the lakes and rivers.

 

[wackypete2]

It now appears Trump's tweets about wiretapping/surveillance may be correct. More to come...

Peter

 

[Atilla]

It now appears Trump's tweets about wiretapping/surveillance may be correct. More to come...

Peter

Representative Devin Nunes said Wednesday that the intelligence community collected multiple conversations involving members of Trump’s transition team during legal surveillance of foreign targets after he won election last year. Trump told reporters at the White House, “I somewhat do” feel vindicated by the latest development.

The intercepted communications weren’t captured through wiretaps -- the president’s spokesmen had already abandoned that assertion -- or through surveillance directed at Trump or his aides, Nunes told reporters at the Capitol before heading to the White House to brief Trump on his findings.

But Nunes said he was “alarmed” that the identities of Trump aides were revealed in intelligence community documents. “Details with little or no apparent foreign intelligence value were widely disseminated in an intelligence community report,” he said, adding that he didn’t know if Trump’s “own communications were intercepted.”


1. They monitor foreign interest targets as a matter of routine. This is not illegal it is their job. They all do it.

2. Trump's aides were caught speaking to them during elections.

It seems you are more concerned about being caught rather than the act of doing something wrong and denying under oath.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...eam-communications-caught-in-u-s-surveillance


So lets forget about foreign interference in the election campaign and try and find the culprit who challenged and questioned Trump's team defending national interest.

If this didn't come out into the open how would you suggest it is investigated in secret and if wrong when and how would you suggest it is revealed to public?

 

[wackypete2]

"The revelations could at least partially back up some allegations made by Trump earlier this month, when he tweeted that former President Barack Obama had "wiretapped" him, though top lawmakers have sharply disputed those claims. FBI Director James Comey also testified earlier this week he had no evidence to support "

Peter

 

[wackypete2]

We also find out this had NOTHING to do with Russsian investigation, even though there was a FISA warrant for that investigation. Also Comey and Rogers apparently LIED to the Congressional commitee about all of this.

Peter

 

[Atilla]

"The revelations could at least partially back up some allegations made by Trump earlier this month, when he tweeted that former President Barack Obama had "wiretapped" him, though top lawmakers have sharply disputed those claims. FBI Director James Comey also testified earlier this week he had no evidence to support "

Peter

That's just hear say cover up. Could at least partially is such weak dribble.

Having made the allegations Trump has to produce the evidence.

 

[Atilla]

We also find out this had NOTHING to do with Russsian investigation, even though there was a FISA warrant for that investigation. Also Comey and Rogers apparently LIED to the Congressional commitee about all of this.

Peter

Well it didn't as they listen to Russian Ambassadors conversations as a rule. They weren't listening because they were investigating Russians.

But it does beg the question what were his campaign team talking to them about and denying they did so?

Now they are investigating?


Wiggle wiggle Trump is in a pickle...

Why did Mike Flynn resign again? NSA chappy resigns in first month. This is after the grilling they gave Hilary for using private email server and deleted/lost emails.

To cover Trumps ass that's why? Both lying deceiving kniving diving, not fit for office bodies imho.

At least own up they are just as bad as each other. Tough call which is worse. Putin apparently never liked Hilary as she was a hawk. Putin loves Trump. I can see Trump Tower getting a blessing for construction in the red square.

It may be presented as US conquering Russia, whilst Russia has their man in the top seat in POTUS.

Reads like a work of fiction doesn't it. http://www.vox.com/world/2017/3/21/14983550/fbi-russia-trump-hearing-partisanship

 

[dbphoenix]

Trump peeps will hear what they want to hear. None of this has anything to do with charges that Obama tapped Trump's phones in Trump tower. Intelligence services may, on the other hand, have surveilled somebody sometime somewhere with regard to matters concerning national security.

 

[wackypete2]

Wiggle wiggle Trump is in a pickle...
I don't think so.

Why did Mike Flynn resign again? NSA chappy resigns in first month. This is after the grilling they gave Hilary for using private email server and deleted/lost emails.

To cover Trumps ass that's why? Both lying deceiving kniving diving, not fit for office bodies imho.

He resigned (fired) for lying to VP, Pence, about what was said between him and the Russian ambassador.

In fact, the ONLY thing illegal in this whole drama is that Flynn's name was not redacted in the transcription of the conversation and was then leaked. That is from the Obama hold-overs in the intelligence agencies because the democrats delayed Trump's cabinet confirmations.

Peter

 

[dbphoenix]

Trump Loses Base Support

President Donald Trump's approval among the core groups that make up his base has begun to erode, contributing to his overall approval rating hitting a new low in Quinnipiac University's political tracking poll.

While Trump's support in his core constituencies – white voters, men and Republicans – had remained resilient throughout his lowest points on the campaign trail and into the first months of his presidency, Wednesday's edition of the Quinnipiac poll registered significant drops in all three groups since the beginning of the month.

The president's approval among Republican voters dropped 10 points, to 81 percent, among Republicans, with 14 percent saying they disapprove. On March 7, that same group approved of how the Trump was handling the job of president 91 percent to 5 percent who disapproved.

The Quinnipiac survey found a similar shift in men and white voters.

While 49 percent of men said they approved of Trump's handling of the job two weeks ago, that number fell six points, to 43 percent in Wednesday's poll; at the same time, the percent of who disapprove increased 7 points, from 45 percent to 52 percent.

He also lost the approval of five percent of white voters over the same period: 44 percent say they approve, while 50 percent disapprove. (and so on)

 

[counter_violent]

Trump Loses Base Support

President Donald Trump's approval among the core groups that make up his base has begun to erode, contributing to his overall approval rating hitting a new low in Quinnipiac University's political tracking poll.

While Trump's support in his core constituencies – white voters, men and Republicans – had remained resilient throughout his lowest points on the campaign trail and into the first months of his presidency, Wednesday's edition of the Quinnipiac poll registered significant drops in all three groups since the beginning of the month.

The president's approval among Republican voters dropped 10 points, to 81 percent, among Republicans, with 14 percent saying they disapprove. On March 7, that same group approved of how the Trump was handling the job of president 91 percent to 5 percent who disapproved.

The Quinnipiac survey found a similar shift in men and white voters.

While 49 percent of men said they approved of Trump's handling of the job two weeks ago, that number fell six points, to 43 percent in Wednesday's poll; at the same time, the percent of who disapprove increased 7 points, from 45 percent to 52 percent.

He also lost the approval of five percent of white voters over the same period: 44 percent say they approve, while 50 percent disapprove. (and so on)

If you think that's a problem, spare a thought for France's useless Socialist President Hollande.

http://www.france24.com/en/mediawatch/20161025-record-low-hollande-with-4-approval-rating

 

[Atilla]

If you think that's a problem, spare a thought for France's useless Socialist President Hollande.

http://www.france24.com/en/mediawatch/20161025-record-low-hollande-with-4-approval-rating

You really are not very good with statistics, analysis or comparing apples with apples are you CV?

Stop and think for a moment!

How long has Hollande been President and what was his rating and popularity 60 days into his election.


Alternatively, come back and post Trumps popularity rating when his matched Hollande's time in service assuming Trump lasts that long and doesn't resign avoiding impeachment. :whistling

 

[Splitlink]

If you think that's a problem, spare a thought for France's useless Socialist President Hollande.

http://www.france24.com/en/mediawatch/20161025-record-low-hollande-with-4-approval-rating

I see an important difference, here. Hollande has an election in a month. Trump has just got in and has five years to go.

Impeaching a President is a nasty business and, unless he resigns, that is the only way.

Being unpopular will not get him out, any more than it did Hollande.

 

[dbphoenix]

Why are Republicans so cruel to the poor? Paul Ryan’s profound hypocrisy stands for a deeper problem

Social psychologists have shown that, in effect, poor people are invisible to the rich and upper classes.

 

[Atilla]

I see an important difference, here. Hollande has an election in a month. Trump has just got in and has five years to go.

Impeaching a President is a nasty business and, unless he resigns, that is the only way.

Being unpopular will not get him out, any more than it did Hollande.

Trump is a very nasty person.

Remember "lock her up"? Put her in jail were his election calls.

What goes around comes around. :whistling