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charliechan said:was it called playboy, escort, or razzle?
combined with slick-lips pleasurevibe 2000?
I think that may have been a different department of Life"Tools"
charliechan said:was it called playboy, escort, or razzle?
ivorm said:When I read about 'star' traders, there seems to be a high number who say that meditation, or some form of visualisation exercise, have helped in their trading success.
Does anyone here meditate ?
Regards,
Ivor
None of the above. Penthouse!!charliechan said:was it called playboy, escort, or razzle?
once I got used to it, the dreams were incredibly vivid. but I lost interest. like you, it is gathering dust somewhere in the loft. ( the machine, not you personallyArbitrageur said:lol, no worries. I've got one of their mind state inducing brain machines tucked away in my drawer. Havent used it in a while but it certainly produces interesting effects, when it doesnt make me fall asleep.
I was always tempted by their lucid dream machines but never got round to ordering one... any good?
fxmarkets said:I have a stone deity (a solid 10 inches,buffed daily to aid focus in a ritual manner)statue in med. pose sat between two screens on my desk I'm not always conscious of it if trading short term , as you are in the screen tic,by tic but if taking a directional day trade then I sit back more detached from tics (of sorts)and I see the that deity who looks passive , content ,relaxed yet completely sensing, so I think, nice one and remind myself to consider chosing to be-have likewise. So its a very effective visual reminder/prompt generally throughout the day, which does assist as a nudge..
Fx.
Pat494 said:Could this be the beginnings of a new materialist religion ?
Not God inventing man ( see Genesis ) but man inventing his own personal God ? For his own purposes naturally. ( see Moses ).
What would your shrine to this God have ? A picture of something green perhaps ?
Arbitrageur said:are you talking about the LifeTools Mind Machines stuff?
ivorm said:Hi Bramble,
Thanks for your reply.
Are you saying in connection with trading, then, that during a meditation session, you should focus on positive outcomes for your trades and try to use all your senses trying to imagine those positive outcomes actually happening ?
I can't say I agree with you about that. I tried to meditate for years using all sorts of techniques and never felt I was getting anywhere.
The first time I used a Meditation Machine I could feel myself automatically mentally and physically relaxing. The twent minutes session went in a flash and I felt much more serene and yet somehow more alive afterwards. I think they really work.
Thanks again for your help with the visualisation stuff.
Regards,
Ivor
The Baptist said:Good thread Ivor which machine did you get from the choices there?
The Baptist said:oops got your machine now at the end of the thread. Do you think using machines will form a crutch in the long run over a more naturally induced meditation?
The Baptist said:oops got your machine now at the end of the thread. Do you think using machines will form a crutch in the long run over a more naturally induced meditation?
rols said:Do you remember the Woody Allen movie 'The Sleeper' where he woke up 200 years in the future and one of the results of progress is a machine that dispenses with having to do sex called The orgasmatron.
Well the meditation machine sounds a bit like that. :cheesy:
ivorm said:Well I can't say that I've ever had an orgasm whilst using my Meditation Machine, but I'll keep trying !!
Seriously though, rols, I see what you're getting at - and to some extent I usually think the same. But in this case, I'm not sure what you mean by "learning to do it properly".
The idea of meditation is that you achieve a meditative state of mind. Well, my Meditation Machine gets me there easily and pretty much automatically. I don't see why meditating using the natural stimulus of light and sound is any different from any other meditation technique.
I'm not very good at analogies, but it's a bit like my recent experience with jogging. I started jogging, but had to stop because I was getting pains in my knees and feet. Someone told me to buy a decent pair of running shoes. So I invested a fair bit in special 'high tech' trainers. The result : I can now jog for miles and the pain in my knees and feet has stopped.
You could say that using 'high tech' running shoes is a 'crutch'. And that because it's made it (jogging) easier for me, then the better health that's resulted is not worth having. Personally, I'd rather have the better health !!
I think the Meditation Machines are kindof similar. I feel heathier (both mentally and physically) as a result of meditating regularly using one.
Regards,
Ivor
rols said:To reveal whether true meditative states are being achieved then tests using electroencephalography under controlled circumstances would be a necessity.
ivorm said:Yes. But that's just it. Tests under controlled conditions have been carried out. And the results show that the brainwave patterns achieved by people using light and sound stimulation are identical to those achieved by Zen monks when they meditate.
I'm not saying that a Meditation Machine will turn me into the Dali Lama any more than I said that my new trainers will turn me into Seb Cole. But if something can help me along the way, then I think that has to be a good thing.
Anyway, we clearly have a difference of opinion here and I respect your views. My thinking is that if you can meditate without a Meditation Machine, then that's geat. On the other hand, for people who are struggling with meditation or for those who would like to meditate and want to start meditating easily and quickly, Meditation Machines are well worth a try in my opinion.
Regards,
Ivor
TheBramble said:Why don't you both have a duel?
Ivorm in high-tech trainers and blinking lights & sounds machine and rols in a hot bath with his scrapbook of 'Thatches through the Ages'...
We'll stick wires in all your available orifices and invent a few new ones and see which of you reaches Nirvana first.
Deal?
rols said:Precisely! Tibet finally comes to Bude! I agree that certain traders using certain magic scanners can achieve results akin to Market Wizards. But the question is, is it gonna work for you and me or is it like buying a lottery ticket and having those few moments of fantasy that it really 'could be you'? IMO 'meditating easily and quickly' is not unlike the old chesnut 'Become a Master Trader in all Markets - Five Minutes a Day with no Effort.'
If I play the lottery every week I'm going to get a few £10 wins here and there, even perhaps £100, but my chances of winning the jackpot are still 1300000 to 1.
So am I really meditating or just feeling relaxed? Am I really a master trader or am I just filling up my screen space with spaghetti and pretending to be one?
Ivor. Trust me on this one. Anything of any real value cannot be bought off the peg. If you still don't believe me, take a trip down to Burtons.