The end of the EU

[Pat494]

The sprouts in Brussells just don't understand !!

 

[Pat494]

Gosh the OECD has just woken up to the fact Eurozone is doing really badly.
1/3 rd of car production is idle and this may soon become a permanent feature as things move so fast these days.
The US/Israel are making their usual mess of the Iran and oil situation. Won't those guys ever learn !?

 

[Splitlink]

Gosh the OECD has just woken up to the fact Eurozone is doing really badly.
1/3 rd of car production is idle and this may soon become a permanent feature as things move so fast these days.
The US/Israel are making their usual mess of the Iran and oil situation. Won't those guys ever learn !?

And the Chinese and US are getting pissed because Europe is putting a pollution tax on flights. With China being the fastest airline expander and the biggest Airbus importer one would wonder who is doing the thinking in Brussels. But, still, Cameron is having it rough, too, over hoarding petrol and eating hot pies from a place that has been closed for three years.

Keep it coming, fellers. A laugh a minute (if was not so pathetic).

 

[Pat494]

And the Chinese and US are getting pissed because Europe is putting a pollution tax on flights. With China being the fastest airline expander and the biggest Airbus importer one would wonder who is doing the thinking in Brussels. But, still, Cameron is having it rough, too, over hoarding petrol and eating hot pies from a place that has been closed for three years.

Keep it coming, fellers. A laugh a minute (if was not so pathetic).

The brains of Brussells used to be the cleaning staff but it seems they may have had to dig even deeper now and let the Ministers decide something. The Mep s are still struggling with the inessentials.

Sack the lot of them imho

P.S. mind the riots Splitt ( might have to set new 100 metre speed records for octogenerians)

 

[The Leopard]

Won't those guys ever learn !?

Mankind never will. That is why Shakespeare after hundreds of years is still perhaps the most vital part of anybody's education.

 

[Atilla]

The brains of Brussells used to be the cleaning staff but it seems they may have had to dig even deeper now and let the Ministers decide something. The Mep s are still struggling with the inessentials.

Sack the lot of them imho

P.S. mind the riots Splitt ( might have to set new 100 metre speed records for octogenerians)

Europeans See Crisis Near End, Bernanke Warns on Recovery - Bloomberg

 

[TobyDoyle]

Europeans See Crisis Near End, Bernanke Warns on Recovery - Bloomberg

Bernanke and the Bloomberg ilk and it's clan are like the doctors that have already poisoned you, then turn around and say you're on a recover...... by continuing to do what's already poisoned you. It's almost like torture, really, except we willingly have subjected ourselves to it and continually ask for more.

 

[Atilla]

Bernanke and the Bloomberg ilk and it's clan are like the doctors that have already poisoned you, then turn around and say you're on a recover...... by continuing to do what's already poisoned you. It's almost like torture, really, except we willingly have subjected ourselves to it and continually ask for more.

Endorphines are good for you...

Try some

 

[Pat494]

Bernanke and the Bloomberg ilk and it's clan are like the doctors that have already poisoned you, then turn around and say you're on a recover...... by continuing to do what's already poisoned you. It's almost like torture, really, except we willingly have subjected ourselves to it and continually ask for more.

It's like being on drugs. Gotta have more.
The patients outnumbered the staff at the looney bin and are now democratically in control !!

 

[Atilla]

Europeans See Crisis Near End, Bernanke Warns on Recovery - Bloomberg

More good news - BBC News - Wolfson Prize: Schoolboy plan to save euro commended


Things can only get much better...

 

[Pat494]

What a farce from those pompous clots calling themselves The EU Court of Human Rights.

Looks a bit like Britain is going to have to support hate spieling Moslem clerics like Abu Ketada on the benefit system indefinately. Fortunes to be made by the lawyers though.

 

[The Leopard]

What a farce from those pompous clots calling themselves The EU Court of Human Rights.

Looks a bit like Britain is going to have to support hate spieling Moslem clerics like Abu Ketada on the benefit system indefinately. Fortunes to be made by the lawyers though.

Frankly, it is Britain's fault. It has been abundantly clear for decades to all but those who are wilfully blind.

If you are in the EU, you are in the EU, and you might as well get fully on board, because you are bound to do so in the end.

If you don't like it, get out.

But the choice is plain - in or out. If we choose in, we can't complain.

 

[Pat494]

Frankly, it is Britain's fault. It has been abundantly clear for decades to all but those who are wilfully blind.

If you are in the EU, you are in the EU, and you might as well get fully on board, because you are bound to do so in the end.

If you don't like it, get out.

But the choice is plain - in or out. If we choose in, we can't complain.

We only have to convince the other 26 members to reform the EU and then it might be worth being in, but at the moment ........oh dear, Mr Heath how could you !

 

[The Leopard]

We only have to convince the other 26 members to reform the EU and then it might be worth being in, but at the moment ........oh dear, Mr Heath how could you !

Precisely. It is utter folly.

The Tory position - In Europe but not run by Europe, or whatever it is - is absolute nonsense. We need to grow up and choose - in or out.

As for Heath, one of the worst men of the 20th Century - on the basis of what he did to this country, because corruptio optimi pessima .

 

[Pat494]

But the choice is plain - in or out. .

Britain has always been a master of indecision, trying to span both sides of the argument and pleasing nobody much.

We should lay down an ultimatum ( as if the rest care ) either they reform the EU idea, make it competitive and a nice place for everyone to live or we are off.

The EU is hampered by large groups who won't put up with the medicine of austerity to make it well.

 

[Splitlink]

Britain has always been a master of indecision, trying to span both sides of the argument and pleasing nobody much.

We should lay down an ultimatum ( as if the rest care ) either they reform the EU idea, make it competitive and a nice place for everyone to live or we are off.

The EU is hampered by large groups who won't put up with the medicine of austerity to make it well.

I don't think that the Europeans---the Spanish, at least---- mind very much. The British have a good reputation for obeying the rules--they didn`t choose to join the Euro and that was their right. They are not rocking our boat but I would put it to Brits that they are not much better off, themselves, so be careful with the criticisms! Over here, it's all about paying off debt without stunting growth plus keeping, if we can, our social services from much damage.

Does that problem seem familiar to you?

 

[Pat494]

I don't think that the Europeans---the Spanish, at least---- mind very much. The British have a good reputation for obeying the rules--they didn`t choose to join the Euro and that was their right. They are not rocking our boat but I would put it to Brits that they are not much better off, themselves, so be careful with the criticisms! Over here, it's all about paying off debt without stunting growth plus keeping, if we can, our social services from much damage.

Does that problem seem familiar to you?

All too familiar. The incompetent clowns that made this mess seem to have gotten away with their mistakes as well as the millions made on the side ( Tony Blair is now worth about E100 million from next to nothing. Big fat pensions and payoffs from their political buddies. Not what Musso got for his misguided efforts !

 

[montmorencyt2w]

Precisely. It is utter folly.

The Tory position - In Europe but not run by Europe, or whatever it is - is absolute nonsense. We need to grow up and choose - in or out.

As for Heath, one of the worst men of the 20th Century - on the basis of what he did to this country, because corruptio optimi pessima .

From what I have read, Churchill wanted there to be a "united states of Europe". But that was for the likes of a broken and fragmented Germany, and the other smaller nations. He didn't intend Britain to be part of it. He thought we would still be a "World Power". De Gaulle had been a royal PITA to Churchill during the war, and then he continued to be one when Britain originally wanted to join the EEC. But (if we were going to go in) that would have been the time, and have more say in how it was run. Then it should have remained at that size (possibly with the Scandinavian countries if they were willing). The widening that took place later was done for political reasons, but it made no economic sense, IMHO.

 

[Atilla]

From what I have read, Churchill wanted there to be a "united states of Europe". But that was for the likes of a broken and fragmented Germany, and the other smaller nations. He didn't intend Britain to be part of it. He thought we would still be a "World Power". De Gaulle had been a royal PITA to Churchill during the war, and then he continued to be one when Britain originally wanted to join the EEC. But (if we were going to go in) that would have been the time, and have more say in how it was run. Then it should have remained at that size (possibly with the Scandinavian countries if they were willing). The widening that took place later was done for political reasons, but it made no economic sense, IMHO.

If my memory serves me right agricultural support, independence and erradication of food shortages as well as better cooperation to minimise wars were the key drivers for the foundation of the European Economic Community.

All the fuzzy stuff around it is secondary stuff which seemed like a good idea at the time. Evolution by the key players such as Germany and France. Italy and Spain as well as number of other members benefited tremendously from the EEC in the last 50 years.

 

[montmorencyt2w]

If my memory serves me right agricultural support, independence and erradication of food shortages as well as better cooperation to minimise wars were the key drivers for the foundation of the European Economic Community.

All the fuzzy stuff around it is secondary stuff which seemed like a good idea at the time. Evolution by the key players such as Germany and France. Italy and Spain as well as number of other members benefited tremendously from the EEC in the last 50 years.

Well, of the original 6 countries in it when we first applied to join (Ger, Fr, It + Benelux) they had all been "beaten nations" in the war, except Luxembourg which was too small to count, so obviously we didn't get involved as we were "above them". Except that they were all getting more and more prosperous, and we were slipping behind in all sorts of ways, and by the time we did join, we were hardly in any position to dictate terms. In any case, we didn't really fit in any more then, than we had done earlier.

We would probably have done better to stick with the original EFTA, and develop that relationship, and also that with Canada, Australia and New Zealand, who had been loyal allies in WW2.


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