Mr Charts Training

Mr Charts-

I think its a great shame that people will only understand the validity of what you are saying until they have some years experience trading.

Trading is such a personal experience that any tutor - good or bad cant be blamed for the results of the student. YOU pull the trigger, and only YOU can take responsibility for the outcome. A tutor can only make suggestions.

If anyone thinks they can pay ANY tutor cash and become successful without a lot of hard work on top, then they're destined to lose anyway.

Ive never met Mr C or been on his course. I hope this comes across as neutral.
 
neil,

if Tiger Woods teaches me to play golf have I any grounds in law to sue him if I do not make pro standard

Is it being a legend on viagra (try Cialis - it lasts much longer ;) ) that makes you so aggressive?

I've no idea what Tiger offers in the pre-contract stage but the answer to your question depends on what (impliedly or explicitly) he represents. If he promises to make you pro-standard (if you can define what pro standard means) then you can probably sue the pants off him if he does not (but, before you take the plunge into the litigation quagmire, watch out for his expensive lawyers).
 
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LevII said:
neil,



Is it being a legend on viagra (try Cialis - it lasts much longer ;) ) that makes you so aggressive?

I've no idea what Tiger offers in the pre-contract stage but the answer to your question depends on what (impliedly or explicitly) he represents. If he promises to make you pro-standard (if you can define what pro standard means) then you can probably sue the pants off him if he does not (but, before you take the plunge into the litigation quagmire, watch out for his expensive lawyers).

Wrong - he simply teaches me to play golf ;)
 
This has gone way away from the orginal question by Eva, "Can people who have trained with Mr Charts please tell me if any one is making money from his strategies (or not) except Mr Charts himself?

I dont want to end up paying 950 pounds and then find out its a waste of money or that the information he will give is available on the internet or in books."


Eva, I am not sure whether all the replies on here have been of any value to you, but am sure you have deduced enough to know whether you should or should not attend a session on a one to one basis, and whether you will derive sufficient knowledge to justify the outlay.

It will of course be interesting to learn whether you did or did not take the tuition, and subsequently if you traded profitably, which is what you seek to do.

John
 
Calling all detractors . . .

Here's a thought for all of Mr.Charts' detractors.
Imagine, if you will, that you are an excellent chef. Gradually, as time goes by, other people who are interested in becoming chefs learn of your skills and ask you for help and advice. This you give freely and repeatedly. As your reputation grows, someone then asks you if they can spend a day with you 1-2-1 to learn how YOU cook. You agree and, not unreasonably, you charge a fee. After all, you cook professionally, and if you're not in your restaurant you're not earning money. The fee you charge is to compensate you for what you would have earned had you been cooking in your restaurant instead of coaching the student. The fee is high, but you are a top chef. After all, thats's why the student wants a 1-2-1 with you! You make it CRYSTAL clear that you will show the student how YOU make the recipe. Additionally, you make it equally clear that it's the student's own responsibility whether or not they choose to follow your recipes. He/ she might add a dash more seasoning if they want, but you will not be responsible for a dish tasting foul if they do. In the meantime, you continue to develop your own skills and recipes etc., and to help others for free. You post recipes on a BB, provide tips to prevent a white sauce from going lumpy etc., - all things that are of interest and benefit to the wider community of aspiring chefs. You do more and more coaching as your reputation grows until one day someone criticises you publicly on one of the bulletin boards because their Chicken Chasseur didn't turn out the way they thought it would. Now, the Chicken Chasseur is one of your specialities; something you're well known for and something that you explain in detail how YOU make. Understandably, the student is disappointed; you sympathise and offer advice. Then one or two more ex-students start to slag you off that their Chicken Chasseur didn't turn out very well either. In fact, in one case, all the dinner guests got food poisoning. However, other students make excellent Chicken Chasseur, so you know your recipe is good and besides, you wrote it and you regularly make the dish yourself just as you describe in the recipe. The disaffected students continue to moan and to mutter on about taking legal action and the like. In time, you get very bored of this and decide to focus on developing your own skills and spending time cooking in your restaurant. Your contributions to public forums for the benefit of the wider cooking community dwindle. Additionally, you make the decision to stop offering 1-2-1 tuition. Too much grief for too little reward. This is completely understandable, given the unreasonable abuse hurled at you, but a great shame for the many wannabe chefs who still respect you and benefit from your contributions.

Remember, you are this top chef. I have two questions for you:
1. Having shown your students how YOU make Chicken Chasseur and provided them with the recipe, is it your fault that some students failed to adhere to it and ended up with a foul tasting meal?
2. How would you feel about those students who, in spite of your best efforts to help them, slagged you off in public, insinuated that you're a fraud and threatened you with legal action?

I look forward to the answers.
Tim.
P.S. For the record, I too have made money using Mr. Charts' methodologies. Salty, Neil et al - spot on!
 
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Good analagy, Timsk. A bit like having several hours training 1-2 -1 on how to fly a plane. Great stuff !. Now go and try a take off on your own. If you survive the crash at the end of the runway, you'll have plenty of time to figure out just where you went wrong..... and just how much more practice you really need. :cheesy:
 
LevII said:
Sean,

You're not suggesting it is one of those Cessnas with a roundy roundy thing on the front are you? Nothing less than the latest model Citation for MW.

LII

Lev11. Apologies for the delay in replying.

The 'roundy roundy thing' at the front of the aircraft is called... the captain. The navigator, on the other hand, is more affectionately called...Mr. Charts!
 
For the record,i have only one name here,i rarely come on this site but when i came on the other day i noticed the mrcharts thread which prompted me to reply.
 
Timnotnicebutdim said:
For the record,i have only one name here,i rarely come on this site but when i came on the other day i noticed the mrcharts thread which prompted me to reply.

Which PR guru advised you to adopt the tag "Timnotnicebutdim?" Sack him! You deserve better.
 
Welcome

Timnotnicebutdim said:
For the record,i have only one name here,i rarely come on this site but when i came on the other day i noticed the mrcharts thread which prompted me to reply.

Welcome Tim. Never be afraid to put forward your views. People here are, for the most part, happy souls willing to chew a bone or two with their fellow T2Winner. :D
 
neil said:
Welcome Tim. Never be afraid to put forward your views. People here are, for the most part, happy souls willing to chew a bone or two with their fellow T2Winner. :D

Added to which is the occasional carotid artery and spleen.
 
neil said:
But washed down with a nice Chablis :D

Premier Cru of course!

I have just finished a bottle of wine whilst watching Gordon Ramsay in full flight on ITV2. I find Hell's Kitchen compulsive viewing as one who sold a restaurant recently and is about to purchase another in Rye.

The wine helps me to cope with his sudden carpet bombing of Edwina Currie!
 
It's amazing how many quality posts one can miss due to spending an inordinate amount of time in (& out) of hospital awaiting the arrival of a little'un.

JonnyT said:
I think that is very fair Richard. Can i have my login to your web site please?

JonnyT

When did this website materialise? Why are JT & I the only one's that seem to have been excluded? Were we both perceived as being retarded & not worthy of inclusion :cry: or have I just chomped on JT's bait...? :eek:
 
Simon,

You are only entitled to join the website if you have taken the course. So have you taken it ?


Paul
 
Just wanted to apologise to all the guys here that I have lots of respect for. I didn't mean to offend anyone, on reading the initial few posts I percieved that there were lots of dissatisfied people and I had a raw nerve touched. I lost a lot of money to a conman in the past and I didn't have a leg to stand on... so my anger and passion wasn't directed to Mr Chart, who has done me no wrong and seemed like an on the level sort of chap.

Didn't want to make any enemies amongst the great traders here, and the rest of the posters. I have great respect for your skill and your knowledge. I can see that I have offended you all and I am deeply sorry! I realised I was getting upset and it wasn't Mr Chart that was the cause. I'm also going through a difficult time in my life right now, and with my trading.

So I hope you will all forgive me and give me the benefit of the doubt for my posts in this thread. Touched a raw nerve and my naturally cynical nature.

Forgive me salty, trader, mr chart and the rest. I realise that there are no guarantees in life and especially not in trading. Its a long hard road and we have to get there mostly under our own steam...

I dont want you to alienate me for some rash posts when I wasn't quite myself
 
pkfryer said:
Just wanted to apologise to all the guys here that I have lots of respect for. I didn't mean to offend anyone, on reading the initial few posts I percieved that there were lots of dissatisfied people and I had a raw nerve touched. I lost a lot of money to a conman in the past and I didn't have a leg to stand on... so my anger and passion wasn't directed to Mr Chart, who has done me no wrong and seemed like an on the level sort of chap.

Didn't want to make any enemies amongst the great traders here, and the rest of the posters. I have great respect for your skill and your knowledge. I can see that I have offended you all and I am deeply sorry! I realised I was getting upset and it wasn't Mr Chart that was the cause. I'm also going through a difficult time in my life right now, and with my trading.

So I hope you will all forgive me and give me the benefit of the doubt for my posts in this thread. Touched a raw nerve and my naturally cynical nature.

Forgive me salty, trader, mr chart and the rest. I realise that there are no guarantees in life and especially not in trading. Its a long hard road and we have to get there mostly under our own steam...

I dont want you to alienate me for some rash posts when I wasn't quite myself

Gordon, get back in the kitchen and sort out Edwina ;)

JonnyT
 
Tim.............do call again soon........ your contributions will always be welcomed, and if sometimes others may not agree, at least you will not suffer abuse as you might on other B B's

John
 
Well done all you detractors , legal whizzos and potential litigants.

It seems that you may well have succeeded in your quest to drive away the most valuable contributor to this website.

Let's hope that the England football team don't score such massive own goals in their coming futile attempt to win Euro 2004.
 
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