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We could do with some of that Treason rethink on the Brexit front.
Indeed, though a simple cull would be more efficient.....
Whilst on the desperate measures subject: Trump et al have been chanting "Send her back" about that unfortunate Somali woman. If the US would just extend the practice to anyone of migrant heritage then the country would be empty leaving just a few descendants of un-massacred real and truly native Americans. Unfortunately, that might mean that with his lineage there's a good chance we might end up having to put up with Trump over here ......
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Yeah but Scotland doesn't count. We could always get him to rebuild the wall !
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Hadrian's is too far South, unless we put in a buffer zone, we might need it when the Scots rejoin the EU [emoji23]
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...or not far enough South! Just a few more miles and the border could be neatly placed just below Middlesborough ....and then the Scotties would have to deal with them and the Geordies
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...or not far enough South! Just a few more miles and the border could be neatly placed just below Middlesborough ....and then the Scotties would have to deal with them and the Geordies
You obviously have little sympathy for the Jocks
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You obviously have little sympathy for the Jocks
True...but then I loathe everybody fairly equally.
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Western politicians are so WET that they can't bring back hanging for convicted terrorists and huge fines on their associates to compensate the victims. It costs a fortune to house so many convicted terrorists for life in sumptious cells in prisons. Why should long suffering tax payers finance their escapades ?
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Muslim hate?
www.nationalreview.com
Hate Isn’t Something You’re Against | National Review
Whose ideas are we really for?
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There is very little publicity for the positive side of life. Like the successful efforts of scientists and school children. The news and films are 90% dominated by the violence of terrorism and criminality.Muslim hate?
Hate Isn’t Something You’re Against | National Review
Whose ideas are we really for?
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Always amazes me despite our evolution and scientific knowledge how people can still believe religions selling God delusion.
Was discussing donating organs with a colleague who said she needed her body for the afterlife and was against donating any part.
When I reminded her that her corpse would decay and become worm food I received some mean snake eyed death stares.
I suggested she look at some dead corpses and give up on the afterlife as the afterlife is pretty clear and in full view now today. No need to travel to the other side to witness what one becomes.
Seeing is believing. But hey if it says otherwise in some 3000+ year old book then perhaps it may be true. But only if they behave. in this life. What a load of tosh.
All god delusional people are cookies in my book of beliefs.
Was discussing donating organs with a colleague who said she needed her body for the afterlife and was against donating any part.
When I reminded her that her corpse would decay and become worm food I received some mean snake eyed death stares.
I suggested she look at some dead corpses and give up on the afterlife as the afterlife is pretty clear and in full view now today. No need to travel to the other side to witness what one becomes.
Seeing is believing. But hey if it says otherwise in some 3000+ year old book then perhaps it may be true. But only if they behave. in this life. What a load of tosh.
All god delusional people are cookies in my book of beliefs.
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I see Ray Kurzweil is predicting the science of immortality will be ready by 2045.
Too late for me probably but does one want to live for ever ? World population will explode exponentially.
Not that many step under buses etc. Perhaps it means that aging will be reversed. About 35 would suit nicely.
Old enough to know a bit and young enough to do something.
Perhaps the China 1 child policy would be enough. The snip for the parents of 2 or more I expect.
Too late for me probably but does one want to live for ever ? World population will explode exponentially.
Not that many step under buses etc. Perhaps it means that aging will be reversed. About 35 would suit nicely.
Old enough to know a bit and young enough to do something.
Perhaps the China 1 child policy would be enough. The snip for the parents of 2 or more I expect.
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Always amazes me despite our evolution and scientific knowledge how people can still believe religions selling God delusion.
Was discussing donating organs with a colleague who said she needed her body for the afterlife and was against donating any part.
When I reminded her that her corpse would decay and become worm food I received some mean snake eyed death stares.
I suggested she look at some dead corpses and give up on the afterlife as the afterlife is pretty clear and in full view now today. No need to travel to the other side to witness what one becomes.
Seeing is believing. But hey if it says otherwise in some 3000+ year old book then perhaps it may be true. But only if they behave. in this life. What a load of tosh.
All god delusional people are cookies in my book of beliefs.
You might be interested in this.
Petra V Mecca
If you don't like the history, have a battle, then change it to suit.
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Hi At',
In broad terms I agree with your sentiments (that makes a change, eh!), but I'm going to play devil's advocate and stick up for your colleague. The problem with science is encapsulated in the gritty little bit of your post that I've quoted. Science is forever playing catch up. Circa 150 years ago, most scientists would have said the very idea of a telephone was impossible and anyone who predicted that we'd all being using mobiles today would be locked up for being loopy. The fact that science can't explain something today and that it doesn't fit with their world view (e.g. homoeopathy) doesn't mean that it doesn't exist and won't be 'discovered' in the future. What's this got to do with the afterlife? Well, what I suspect your colleague was driving it is that she believes (as many people do - religious or not), that there's more to each of us than just our physical bodies. Sure, the physical one becomes worm food, but our spiritual body (for want of a better way of describing it) survives. So, if she donated a kidney say, then her spiritual self would be without one which, theoretically, could prove costly in the future. If you research the topic, you'll find loads of testimonies from people who've received donor organs and, subsequently, their personality has changed. As for near death experiences - they're two a penny. Anecdotal evidence of an afterlife is now legion. So, all I'm really saying is, keep an open mind as your colleague may not be quite as delusional as you think.
Tim.
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Not sure what the relevance to me is. Find all this stuff and the old scriptures yawn inducing clap trap. As if finding some leather inscribed dribble from a 3000 year old knob gives any credibility to some divine benevolent existence.
Don't indulge or entertain religious fruit cakes would be my recommendation.
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I think it's fair to say Science is making new discoveries. If you say catch up, what is science catching up with? Despite science and even seeing corpses even like 10 days old, religious nuts of all sorts continue to believe in hocus pocus sticky brown stuff. All this tolerate and respect knob heads larky needs to change imo.
Is this your Rumsfeld moment. There is stuff out there we know we don't know and also more stuff out there we simply just don't know but shirley there must be stuff out there we don't know.
So maybe there is a God out there. Just maybe. More hope and brown sticky beliefs that just won't go away.
Survives you say? Says who. Where, how, when, why, for how long? If I'm to guess, you now moving towards re-incarnation arena. More brown and sticky beliefs.
Matey people change after getting punched in the head too. I have friends who discovered God because they had near misses in traffic accidents. No surgery or operation needed. The reason why divorce numbers are so high is because people change all the freaking time. One minute in love with each other and next few years can't stand the sight of each other. No need for surgery or death to change soul mates.
Thank you Tim, my mind is very open and receptive to new ideas providing they are based on sound science and some evidence.
Right now I'd say stuff all religions and god deluded numpties. Free the mind body and soul to live a good life and discover mother nature and planet earth with all their beauties.
It is religion and belief systems that herd humans like dumb animals that's the problem.
Look at some skeletons and wise up!
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counter_violent
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Not sure what the relevance to me is. Find all this stuff and the old scriptures yawn inducing clap trap. As if finding some leather inscribed dribble from a 3000 year old knob gives any credibility to some divine benevolent existence.
Don't indulge or entertain religious fruit cakes would be my recommendation.
Point is, the masses are easily persuaded and corralled. They will believe anything they are told, or at least that used to be the case. Some people even believe in socialism ffs.
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Oh dear. That you can you write the post you have and then claim to have an open mind simply beggars belief. You appear - wilfully or otherwise - to have completely missed the points I was making. Given that you clearly aren't open to any ideas that science hasn't already 'proved' to your satisfaction, I won't waste my time responding to your comments. Your loss.
Tim.
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My posts maybe disagreeable yes I accept.
Didn't read much science in your post. Did I miss something? I can only assume people who have faith and belief systems must find the explanations provided to them to their level of comprehension and thus accept all that is presented and said to them. AND yes similarly any explanation HAS to be to my level of comprehension so I can accept in my head and heart as having some worth and whatever that entails in the use of that information or knowledge.
Needless to say we are all free to choose and follow but some people are less free and must follow.
Phobia is a bit of a misnomer. I'm not afraid of anything.
About time we flushed all godly religions down the toilet imo.
Just my opinion that's all. I don't feel I lost anything. In fact I feel I have gained my freedom unshackled from the mind control numpties.
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What you've lost is my goodwill. Forgive me for blowing my own trumpet, but I'd like to think that's worth something. Keep in mind that I posted my initial reply with this opening sentence: "In broad terms I agree with your sentiments (that makes a change, eh!), but I'm going to play devil's advocate and stick up for your colleague." Being 'unshackled from the mind control numpties' - whoever and whatever they may be - has diddly squat to keeping an open mind about ideas and possibilities hat science has either yet to discover or to get its head around.
Tim.
