Country Ken's Tips and racing discussions

It appears to me that the massive public outpouring of support for Ken will soon attract the attention of certain down-market tabloids and it would not be fitting for my flock to see that I am an ardent racing afficionado.

I will therefore adopt a lower profile for a few days to avoid any unwanted publicity.

After all, I didn't get where I am today by attracting the unwanted attention of down-market tabloids.

I will begin a period of solitary confinement and reflection in my cell and pray in earnest for the second coming of CountryKen.
 
Hello CK,
I’m curious about you.
Many years ago after I graduated I worked long irregular shift hours and sometimes was free from mid day onwards.
I decided to try and develop a methodology for backing horses. I managed to do that and started with “capital” of £300. In two seasons of flat racing I had increased that to just over £1500. My working hours changed and I was unable to continue.
I have never been a gambler and feel no compulsive urges, nor did I derive pleasure from those betting days other than a sense of achievement at having surpassed my objective of 100% per season.
I have no idea if the same approaches would work now or not.
That £1500 was used as a deposit on my first house (this was in the 1970s) so it didn't go to waste.
I started reading this thread out of curiosity and confess that I expected a degree of success from you as you had the strength to put your head above the parapet and post.
I suppose I expected you to easily out perform my efforts of years ago, though as I said, conditions change and move on.
However, after three months you are still at break even with a statistically significant narrow range on either side of zero.
So, CountryKen, the question arises, why?
Do you bet “professionally”, that is, for a living?
Or is it a hobby or for “fun”?
If the latter, why post without any explanation whatsoever as to the basis for your choices?
I would not expect you to reveal your methods, but some generalised comments or broad rationale would have been interesting and illuminating, win or lose.
Some questions if I may. I would appreciate some broad answers, but perfectly understand if you choose not to answer. That is your inalienable right and you must exercise it as you choose.
Was there ever a time when you were consistently profitable?
If so, what has now changed?
Are you still putting in the same time and effort?
Is it more difficult now? If so, why?
Has the “sport”/”business” become more random in your view?
Is there any way of recognising your own errors or is it simply that “luck” is playing a larger part?
Do you think your performance is likely to improve or not?
If the answer is positive, why?
Have the odds offered shortened in the recent past? If so, why do you think that is? Perhaps people like you were being too successful and taking too much off the bookies :)

As for continuing to post, you should do so for as long as you choose and people want you to.
In my experience of receiving extreme abuse on and even worse off board, the attitude of a winner is that you don’t let the b*****ds get you down and you certainly don’t let them stop you. Out - survive them all. They will be gone and you will still be here. Don’t engage with them, because that is what they want.
Now you might think of me as being one of them, (I’m not), in which case remember success and strength of character go together in the long run. Sometimes the latter comes before the former.
I genuinely apologise if I have upset you, though my motives were not malign. Perhaps I could have expressed myself better and left less of a negative impression.
So, Ken, keep on posting and regard this post as strengthening you.
Good "luck" to you :)
Richard
 
Hey, Eggs baby, I see they flushed you out of the Scrubs.
Please don't join the navel gazers, keep on posting, I like your style.
Richard
 
An insight roughly about what you asked-----

Hello Mr Charts ( Richard )

My first response was not to answer.
One of the a few reasons is, what will it make or do for
me, im being honest with this statement frank too, but
not rude or trying to impress etc etc.

Firstly, i have been in the racing world for just over 40 years now
but it does not make me to be a 100% expert, not even a full time
pro whos income is solely based on hes gambling or in real terms
an investment in the racing world of horse racing.
But the important factor is, at the end of both codes of racing, Turf
Flat and National Hunt, one is in the black with a nice profit.
Every pro, semi pros, serious minded punters do have losing days
weeks and even a couple of months during a 12 month period, but
after the 12 month period one is in the black.
One has to have a good understanding of form and how to use it
to full advantage, a staking plan is very important, so is a system
based on facts and figures, i hope im making sense as you well
know that i have the flu, but i choose to answer you as best as i
can, and i do hope that you are one of the good guys, pardon my
frankness, as im being honest in what i say.

You asked me if i bet professionally, for fun, or a hobby.

Some years ago, i did and was a semi pro, this is true as i know
you and many others will find it hard to believe, that is up to
you or anyone else as i knew what i was.

Why one may ask do i call myself a semi pro, its simple, one,
i never did bet in large figures like the true pros do, second, i
had an income from my own tipping service in which i had over
134 members, yes we all made money, my service was a success
but sadly my health took a turn for the worse.
My health problem was not related to stress or over working, i was
an unfortunate victim or call it bad luck.
So under the advice of my consultant and Dr, i was to take things
easy, in which i did ( im now retired for quite a while )

I will come to your questions,

The bets i post on the forum are purely for fun and thats the truth.

The truth now about my personal bets are as follows, i have approx
15-20 bets on each code, there are times i have no bet/s for a month
but at the end of the season i am in the black ( i don't bet in big figures )

The reason i keep this to myself is simple, i do feel under pressure
if i were to give the bets out, and there is no way i intend to have any
form of stress put on me.
I sincerely hope that you and those who read this can understand
the reasons i gave---------stress and pressure, no way.

I specialize in Handicap Races most of the time, but there are certain
months in the year i do the none handicap races, but still carrying on
with my handicap races, i do have quite a deep understanding of
handicapping hence handicap races.

In the olden days, the framing of handicap bands ( offical ratings )
were much wider hence it was easier as there were many horses
that could be deleted quite easily, this was on both codes.
But now, on the Flat and as for the jumps, handicap hurdles, they
are very much harder, the gap between the top rated ( offical rating )
and right down to the bottom horse is much closer, hence there
are and will be more horses in with winning chances.
The olden days, you would find quite a few horses running out of
the handicap proper, you still have them now, but it was easier in
the old days.

The sport has become more business minded now and its a fact,
sad but true, just like football in a manner of speaking as i used to
be one many moons ago, in the far east where i was born.
But thats a different issue.

As for it being a hobby, it has also become one besides being
a bit more serious on days when a serious bet/s does come along.

So you can sort of put me in two classes so to speak.

You mentioned why do i not give some sort of explanation, its simple
once again not only time but work load hence the pressure and stress
so once again im sure you can understand this.

But when it comes to my personal bet, it all falls into my head
as there is nothing like having years of experience, so its second
nature to me as to why i have chosen my selections.

Yes, of course i had losing weeks and even a couple of losing
months, but in the end i win, simple as that.
No, im not trying to impress you or anyone, a honest question was
asked so an honest answer is given.

As for the amount of effort i put in you asked, well not really much
as you can see that my number of bets over both codes of racing
is not many bets, and as i said, its second nature to me

You stated about performance is improved, not really, if anything its
taken a drop due to the new framing of the Handicaps ( Offical Ratings Bands )

As for improving the performance, well, personally, i have reached
a level that is good enough in anyones standard, in fact i can
out point a pro in any handicap race, thats a fact and its offical
loud words you may say or is ken blowing hes own bugle,
do you think i am ? say no as i have taken on a few, thats offical.
I have been around far to long Richard for all that, i only believe
in truth and facts.

Some important things i have learned in life is, give respect to earn
respect, be honest to yourself, treat others kindly as they treat you
kindly, give and you will receive, im sure you know this, so why do
i say it, simple, so you can get a rough insight of me.

Theres a lot more that i can say and share, but i have reached a
point where in todays world people are not the same, is it for the
better or worse, personally its not fot the better, thats my opinion
as i have seen great changes just like you and everyone else.

If you don't mind Richard, i am tired and i need to relax and listen
to my favourit songs, Country, Blues, Soul, and some old time greats.
Im sure you understand.

Finally, you asked me if i will conyinue, i honestly don't know yet.

But if i ever come back, i would appreciate that they keep the thread
clean and if there is any differences of opinions, by all means put
ones thoughts and opinions foreward, but please no criticism, but a
little rub in a broad sense is fine, for those who can't hold their tongue
please stay away then, this is how strongly i feel about it, may it be
a right one or a wrong one in any ones opinion, i then can't help them
this is an honest feeling and an honest answer.

I thank you for your most honest and extremely valid questions that
you have put foreward, i applaud you for that.

I sincerely hope that my feed back has been helpful in more then one
way or another.

Its been a pleasure to have answered your questions, i only wished
that i could have done better, i think i could have, but its quite hard to
put pen to paper so to speak, you just can't beat have a one to one
personal chat. But who knows, may be one day we may or can chat.

I wish you all the best in your field of work and i sincertely hope that
life treats you and your family most kindly.

Take care

Sincerely

Ken

P.S. Do pardon me if i have left anything out and do pardon any
mistakes there may be.

P.S. Richard, i almost forgot, just for the record, but not really an important one
just thought i must say it.

There was a point when the winnings rose to £583 if my memory serves
me right. Then it dropped to £446, then it rose again to £533
and now it stands as the last day i posted, friday i think
30-09-05.
Please correct me if im wrong.

Why may one ask do i say this, ask yourself and you will know
Finally, i do not underestimate any ones intelligentence
all i have said is well meant with good intentions.
 
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Good evening, Ken,
Thank you for taking the time and effort to answer my questions.
I appreciate your openness and recognise your integrity - it shines through.
You sound around my vintage - 58 and I can empathise with much of what you say and with some of your attitudes.
When I was a kid we were very poor and both my parents had occasional flutters, a shilling each way.
Oftentimes those two shillings when lost were the difference between a jam sandwich Sunday lunch and sausages, cabbage and mash or not being able to put those shillings in the electricty meter for a couple of days. I remember the anguish and regret when they lost.
I remember a great treat when my mother won on an outsider. With the winnings we went on a day trip to Redcar or maybe it was Ripon - I was a child and that's a long time ago - (we lived in Leeds) to see live races for the one and only time. Walking from the train station to the race course I spotted something folded square and pinkish red on the grass. It was a 10/- note. My mother insisted I choose a horse and she would back it to win with all of that 10/-.
If it won I could keep the money.
It was very rash and unwise - it was a lot of money.
I still remember the horse we backed, Shamrock Star.
It won at 5-1
For me it was a formative event because I decided that no way was that money going to be given back to the bookies. I would keep it until the next occasion we had a bill we couldn't pay - and that's exactly what I did.
For the last six years I have traded full time for a living and that refusal, born that day, to give profits back to the market has remained with me - so I never over trade and always minimise risk - I never sit watching myself losing money waiting for a stop loss to be hit - I just get out if a trade goes against me.
I digress, but I think that story tells you things you as a semi -pro will understand very well.
With respect,
Richard
 
There will be bets given today the 03-10-2005 ( Monday )

Morning All,

I will be posting some bets later on, you will still have time to bet
on them should you chose to follow my bets.

Will explain a bit more later on.

Ken
 
Countryken said:
Morning All,

I will be posting some bets later on, you will still have time to bet
on them should you chose to follow my bets.

Will explain a bit more later on.

Ken
good to see you still posting ken, i hope you are feeling much better.
 
Selections for today the 03-10-2005 ( Monday )

Hi,

Before i give my bets, i must stress that my personal bets are based
on good fun, nothing more.
But if a profit is made, one can look at it as a bonus ( the way im tipping
im not sure of the bonus lol )

As for how long i will be posting i would not know at this moment of time.

I will stop posting my bets if need be.

Good luck to all who chose to follow my bets.

For those who just observe and then decide to use my bets in their
own way, i wish you good luck to, i wish all good luck..

I sincerely hope that you do have some fun with the bets.

Finally, i must put this on record, Mayo or the likes of him has
nothing to do with my decision in coming back.

The choice was mine.


Here are the bets for today
--------------------------------------

Firstly about the bets, there will be times when i will have even 3 bets
and maybe 4, so long as the price is right to obtain a profit should
one of the selection wins.

Pros etc type of punters do employ this method of backing when
need be, so its nothing new.


3-50 PONTEFRACT - 3 Star bet

No. 5. OUR MONOGRAM - 1.75 pts win - rating = 6/10
No. 6. TARABUT - 2 pts win - rating = 61/2/10
No. 11. SPITTING IMAGE - 1 pt win - rating = 6/10



5-00 WINDSOR - 3 Star bet

No. 1. LITTLETON TELCHAR - 1.25 pts win - rating = 6/10
No. 8. WILLHEGO - 2 pts win - rating = 61/2/10
No. 12. DEEPER IN DEBT - 3 pts win - rating = 7/10


Total staked today = £11.00

Some of you might consider that this amount on a daily basis
for fun bets are rather to much.
What i would suggest is, sign up with ladbrokes on the internet
betting as they accept .50p stakes, so you can half your stakes
or have your very own staking plan.


Good luck

Ken
 
This is for Mr Charts

Good after-noon Richard,

I thank you for your deep insight of your younger days and your parents.
It gave me quite a deep understanding of yourself.

I to did come from a poor back ground.

As the age goes, im much older then you thought lol
its a secret my friend, im sure you understand.

Take care

Kind Regards
Ken
 
Bank Balance up-date for the 03-10-2005 ( Monday )

Bank Balance brought foreward from the 30-09-2005 = £494.02

Total staked today the 03-10-05 = £11.00

Winners = 0

Bank Balance on the 03-10-2005 stands at = £483.02



Ken
 
Birds of a feather----------

Salty,

Do a favour, kindly ask your mate to leave the forum------if you can
 
Countryken said:
Salty, Do a favour, kindly ask your mate to leave the forum------if you can

CK, forgive me for saying so but that is not a very Christian attitude.

.
 
Nice to see you back tipping after your bout of bird flu Ken.

Obviously the Lord was not watching over you today and your bank balance has once again fallen by the wayside.

It might help somewhat if you were to adopt a more forgiving attitude towards non-believers Ken.

The Lord may then look more kindly on your nominated beasts.
 
Selections for today the 04-10-2005 ( Tuesday )

Morning All,

Here are todays bets.



4-10 LEICESTER - 3 Star bet

No. 1. GOLD GUN - 1.5 pts win - rating = 6/10 - 3rd @ 20-1
No. 3. CLIMATE CHANGE - 4 pts win - rating = 7/10 - lost



4-00 HUNTINGDON - 3 Star bet

No. 7. MEXICAN PETE - 5 pts win - rating = 8/10 - Won @ 6-4



Good lucl

Ken
 
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Bank Balance up-date for the 04-10-2005 ( Tuesday )

Previous Bank Balance = £483.02

Total selections given = 3

Winners = 1

SP = 6-4

Total staked this day = £10.50

Returns = £12.50

Profit/Loss - Profit = £2.00

Bank Balance on the 04-10-05 stands at = £485.02

Starting Bank = £500.00




Ken
 
Selections for today the 05-10-2005 ( Wednesday )

Morning All,

Here are todays bets.

P.S. I wish to inform that there will/might be days that there will be no bets.
I will inform if so.



3-50 NOTTINGHAM - 2 Star bet

No. 1. RYAN'S FUTURE - 1.5 pts win - rating - 6/10
No. 11. NOBLE FUTURE - 1.5 pts win - rating = 6/10
No. 16. REACHING OUT - 1 pt win - rating = 6/10


Good luck

Ken
 
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