To Two Bars,
Since someone has encouraged me vi PM I will answers your questions:
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>You tell us all about horse racing tipsters. What do horse racing tipsters and syndicates have to do with being able to trade? Absolutely nothing.<
well you see the method we have we could be laying on 6 losers in a row to get a winner at the end. How many people would have the guts to do that? And we also see patterns on the horse's performance that allows us that little extra edge to our plans.
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>You bet on the horses and now you want to poke around in trading to make some money. There is nothing which connects six legs travelling at speed across grass with financial institutions manipulating markets with billions of dollars of money.<
Big Boys play games to suit their own interests, so do trainers of horses, but sometimes the horses don't deliver because there's an extra factor in the perception of the trainer of horse and how he rates the horses ability. He is also under pressure from the owner to make his living (trainers and jockeys get about 10% of the prize money in a race when they win). You can bet your life that there are sneeaky little tricks behind the races (usually ALWAYS LEGAL) if you analyse it and look at it carefully. I could talk a Socrates like stance on this . . . but I don't want to give it all away. Suffice to say that there are about 10 - 20 selections per year that my friend could predict with 90% certainty - the problem is that they don't come often.
The markets are similar, horse racing is much harder. Big Boys play games like cutting out shorts, retractments etc . . . Along with other market factors that would take ages to explain. You are better off experiencing it yourself than talking about it.
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>That proves that you do not understand what is being discussed because you are a newbie and this subject is for ADVANCED TRADERS.
The subject being discussed is the formation of the correct mindset to be able to trade at world class levels, not a bit of betting on nags..<
Mr Socrates animal stories are nothing new to me, since you are speaking to a biological mathematician. What he has expounded is simple and elementary to someone like me and is accessible to anyone who takes time and effort to understand the literature. For animal behaviour you want to read Morris, Dawkins, Tinbergen, Lorenz, von Frisch, Trivers, Hamilton etc. . . . I could tell you all a thing or two about Game Theory and Cannablism in chimps, Altruistic behaviour in bees and other such things, and maybe we could discuss about Gene Selfishness and its central role in human altruistic behaviour . . . .
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>Be honest with yourself, you have only tried to read Socrates posts because you are desperate to find a cheap quick way to make money in the trading markets, just like you were with trying to make money on horse races. You didn't find a method revealed by Socrates - BECAUSE NO METHOD HAS EVER BEEN DISCUSSED.<
Me and my friend had a long discussion about this, and it goes along these lines:
The average person in this world has to work. Which means he has to devete a hefty chunk of his life in a environment not of his choosing (usually of his choosing for the lucky ones). Even worse he might not like what he does but has no choice due to economic pressures etc . . . To get away from this and be "free" (as we would call it) requires great effort and most will not make it. I have never really believed in getting rich quick, and I never believed that the markets were easy (in fact being a successful trader must be the toughest game in the world). And I've made my mistakes of thinking of getting rich on horse racing like other people, but when I realised my mistakes and looked at what it was that was at stake I began to understand.
I am writing this calmly and politely when I say that Socrates has told you nothing that you can't work out for yourselves, and seeing that article about him given in another threads tells you what kind of a person he is.
If he really does have this knowledge consider the following evidence:
1) total lack of compassion to others. Just downright smug superiority.
2) getting irritated and angry and saying that he's going to burn his books and the "stuff" about his trading plan that he was about to give us all for free doesn't show a calm and collected personality. It shows an attention seeking person who wants others approval, hardly the behaviour of someone of superior intellect and psychological robustness of his convictions
3) in the same thread calling others losers does not help. Dear Socrates, there will always be better trades than thou, and they may not even agree at all with what you say, or bother at all with your methods because they have the sensibility to stick to their way.
Let me end with a little about the human condition, to which Mr Socrates (and the rest of us included) is a victim of:
It has been said by the great Friedrich Nietzsche that you give men health, wealth, entertainment etc and they are not happy. They really want power. This is not true of all individuals because of other circumstances, but the basic drive is there. Just as much as men have evolved ways to get power, so have men evolved ways to take power from others and ways to maintain their power. This is what we are seeing here and the game is very complex indeed.
Socrates wants us all in his own image. He thinks his stuff is so advanced that it strato. . damn can't spell the word and can't be bothered . . and some of us are seeing it for what it is, and we are saying NO, and we will keep on saying NO because it's in our nature to.
