Climate Change

[Pat494]

Fires are burning out of control all over the planet. The Amazon forest is afire. The lungs of the planet its been called. Cough cough.
Not to worry folks the Pope is praying hard apparently. Well that's sorted then ???
Britain has antied up £12 million for Brazil but no other countries seem to have coughed up. Dump is doing his Nero act of fiddling while the planet burns. Not a peep out of Putin or Xi. Perhaps they haven't heard ? Or wasted theirs on MORE weapons ! Enough to make a strong man weep.

 

[Signalcalc]

Fires are burning out of control all over the planet. The Amazon forest is afire. The lungs of the planet its been called. Cough cough.
Not to worry folks the Pope is praying hard apparently. Well that's sorted then ???
Britain has antied up £12 million for Brazil but no other countries seem to have coughed up. Dump is doing his Nero act of fiddling while the planet burns. Not a peep out of Putin or Xi. Perhaps they haven't heard ? Or wasted theirs on MORE weapons ! Enough to make a strong man weep.

£12 million, for what? Because the G7 political leaders see a points scoring exercise at an opportune time for them? The Amazon is no more burning than any other year, nothing but routine. Why aren't they tackling the fires in the Congo where it is really burning out of control and is not a routine burn.

Cynical political points scoring costing British tax payers, US, China etc aren't listening for that very reason, neither should we.

Climate related issues need to be taken out of the hands of politicians otherwise it is a waste of time and money.

 

[Atilla]

This is great to see, however, the Amazon Rainforest is continuing to burn and nobody seems to want to do anything about it. This is a serious issue and it is only getting worse as time goes on and it spreads more and more. Brazil needs to put their whims aside and take care of the real problem before it's too late.

Errmmm we have a supply demand problem here. Don't you think you should look at both sides of the equation?

You want Brazil to clean up other industrial countries waste?


Capitalism is reaching the end of the road. No longer should companies be allowed to externalise social cost. The world needs accountability from selfish and greedy individuals as well as corporations.

Only way to do this is to tax polluting activities and subsidise clean balanced energy production. If we can send humans to the moon then surely this is not beyond the science of man?

 

[Pat494]

Brazil has another bad problem also in the Amazon. Illegal loggers operate on a massive scale and go unchecked. Responsible loggers would replant the trees. Their air force could easily strafe the illegals out of business. They could arm and train the indigenous natives to attack the criminals. But of course capitalist big money is supporting the illegals.

 

[Signalcalc]

At last a solution is on the horizon, population reduction through microbes welcome to the future.

The antibiotics crisis will kill us all, says NHS chief

Bugs that cannot be killed by anti-biotics could wipe out humanity 'before climate change does', England's chief medical officer Professor Dame Sally Davies warned yesterday.

mol.im

 

[Pat494]

Getting to be like a race to distruction.
If the asteroids don't get you, the bugs, lack of anti-biotics, climate change hurricanes, sun flares ...WILL

Maybe we are doomed...………….

 

[Atilla]

At last a solution is on the horizon, population reduction through microbes welcome to the future.

The antibiotics crisis will kill us all, says NHS chief

Bugs that cannot be killed by anti-biotics could wipe out humanity 'before climate change does', England's chief medical officer Professor Dame Sally Davies warned yesterday.

mol.im

I doubt that very much.

Billions of humans in the world. We will not all die. Some have even survived the ebola.

Charles Darwin's natural selection will ensure some are immune or develop immunity to any virus or bacteria to ensure continuation.

Remember, there are many locations on planet Earth with extreme temperatures. Some viruses or bacteria will not be able to survive in Siberia for example.

Let's cut the drama.

Ultimately its capitalism hell bent on production and accumulation of wealth in the hands of the few imo.

Humans smart enough to find alternatives once the populace is culled by natural disasters of various sorts.

Always a super song this one. Reminds me of my youth.

 

[Signalcalc]

I doubt that very much.

Billions of humans in the world. We will not all die. Some have even survived the ebola.

Charles Darwin's natural selection will ensure some are immune or develop immunity to any virus or bacteria to ensure continuation.

Remember, there are many locations on planet Earth with extreme temperatures. Some viruses or bacteria will not be able to survive in Siberia for example.

Let's cut the drama.

Ultimately its capitalism hell bent on production and accumulation of wealth in the hands of the few imo.

Humans smart enough to find alternatives once the populace is culled by natural disasters of various sorts.

Always a super song this one. Reminds me of my youth.

Of course a few will survive, we are but stardust designed to survive the time of the universe in some form.

I doubt you will be one of those though [emoji23][emoji1787][emoji106]

 

[Atilla]

Of course a few will survive, we are but stardust designed to survive the time of the universe in some form.

I doubt you will be one of those though [emoji23][emoji1787][emoji106]

A few????

You mean a few will die?

All those who live in well clean and sanitised buildings more likely to die imo.


Those out in the cold wet wilderness living off the land will survive in greater numbers. Tough call. Will those who have access to medicine survive in greater numbers than those that don't?

 

[Signalcalc]

A few????

You mean a few will die?

All those who live in well clean and sanitised buildings more likely to die imo.


Those out in the cold wet wilderness living off the land will survive in greater numbers. Tough call. Will those who have access to medicine survive in greater numbers than those that don't?

If you are to believe the BBC, then yes, it's apocalyptic, a bit like climate change

 

[timsk]

These two don't appear to have got the message about climate change - very 'off-piste' and 'unwoke'! (Pat - you might want to sit this one out - else your blood pressure might go through the roof. ;-)

 

[trendie]

A few????

You mean a few will die?

All those who live in well clean and sanitised buildings more likely to die imo.


Those out in the cold wet wilderness living off the land will survive in greater numbers. Tough call. Will those who have access to medicine survive in greater numbers than those that don't?

Good point. Graham Hancock, in one of his Joe Rogan podcasts points out that we, in the advanced societies, have become detached from the planet. We get our water from pipes, food from supermarket shelves, and heat and light from switches on walls.
We are far more likely to suffer disproportionately in a cataclysm than "primitive" societies that live symbiotically with the planet, as they are closely connected to where they get their water, their food, shelter and sources of fire and heat.

 

[Signalcalc]

These two don't appear to have got the message about climate change - very 'off-piste' and 'unwoke'! (Pat - you might want to sit this one out - else your blood pressure might go through the roof. ;-)

Possibly the real reason is written in the stars. It feels more like a fad to me, weak parents are kinda involved because saying no to little Johnny Greta (and teachers) is difficult nowadays and are led to believe that seeing one's children truanting for the climate is far better than seeing them truanting for the hell of it, most schools need an powerwash to clean out teachers.

Remember when NASA acknowledged climate change occurs because of changes in Earth's solar orbit, not because of SUVs and fossil fuels?

For more than 60 years, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has known that the changes occurring to planetary weather patterns are completely natural and normal. But the space agency, for whatever reason, has chosen to let...

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[Pat494]

Supposing all the ice melts then it is estimated sea levels will rise 60 feet. Well that is most of the planet's major cities would then be under water.
The people will no doubt shift up hill and live in shanty towns but on what exactly ? Cannibalism probably.

 

[Signalcalc]

Supposing all the ice melts then it is estimated sea levels will rise 60 feet. Well that is most of the planet's major cities would then be under water.
The people will no doubt shift up hill and live in shanty towns but on what exactly ? Cannibalism probably.

What if the eco loonies and governments that have fallen for their cult are wrong about the reason for climate change?

Should we be spending £Billions trying to figure out how to change the natural cycle of earth's orbit to prevent natural change from disrupting weather patterns?

Why is it, as the eco loons have accurately identified, that there is little action being taken given we only have 11 years left to live? Is it because nobody with power actually believes what they are saying?

I think the answer is obvious, in 11 years time the eco loons of today will have grown into adults with adult responsibilities and the majority will no doubt be trying to put their wasted education to work trying to earn enough money to pay for those adult responsibilities.

There will of course be more hysterical eco loons of the same age in 11 years, but as the clock ticks over into the 12th year and we are still breathing, then they are going to look sillier than they do today. No doubt the loony agenda will have moved onto some other fad to protest by then.

 

[timsk]

Supposing all the ice melts then it is estimated sea levels will rise 60 feet. Well that is most of the planet's major cities would then be under water. . .

Hi Pat,
As traders, most/all of us would agree that it's a general truism to say that the markets are pretty much on top of everything. Save for black swan events - they factor in pretty much everything there is to be factored in. If you agree with that, why then has this not happened with climate change? For example, if water levels rose by 20 feet - let alone 60 feet - much of London, Manhattan and pretty much all of Venice would be under water. Are new properties still being built in these cities? Yes (Okay, not so many in Venice!). Can buyers still get 20 to 30 year mortgages on them? Yes. Are insurance companies still happy to insure them with competitive premiums? Yes. Would you not agree that if the problem was anything like as bad as the climate change alarmists would have us all believe, then new buildings, mortgages and insurance policies would not be readily available? Furthermore, that the main indices would be tanking, along with the currencies of those countries worst affected?
Tim.

 

[cantagril]

What if the eco loonies and governments that have fallen for their cult are wrong about the reason for climate change?

Should we be spending £Billions trying to figure out how to change the natural cycle of earth's orbit to prevent natural change from disrupting weather patterns?

Why is it, as the eco loons have accurately identified, that there is little action being taken given we only have 11 years left to live? Is it because nobody with power actually believes what they are saying?

I think the answer is obvious, in 11 years time the eco loons of today will have grown into adults with adult responsibilities and the majority will no doubt be trying to put their wasted education to work trying to earn enough money to pay for those adult responsibilities.

There will of course be more hysterical eco loons if the same age in 11 years, but as the clock ticks over into the 12th year and we are still breathing, then they are going to look sillier than they do today. No doubt the loony agenda will have moved onto some other fad to protest by then.

Sig! You really do need to dust off that thesaurus of yours Yes, there is absolutely no doubt that there is a fad and a fashion and that boring insignificant people the world over are leaping onto the climate change bandwagon to to give their meaningless lives at least some semblance of purpose BUT I would argue that the currently useless bleating will gradually mutate into something that will actually promote an improvement in standard human behaviour.

As tenants rather than freeholders of our planet of residence one would understand that the landlord might be a tad miffed at us trashing the carpets, making firewood of the furniture and scrawling on the walls. I am in no doubt whatsoever that natural cycles and cataclysmses trump** human interference but if we are to survive then we have to clean up our act and at least think about adapting and maybe just maybe mitigating some of what is yet to come. The conflation of the multitude of different threads that make up what we are doing wrong and how much of a problem this creates or exacerbates is probably beyond the comprehension of most but is it not worth at least trying?

Nobody is going to look any sillier in the future than they do now - the world has always been full of very very silly people and climate change imo does not significantly add to the overall number but merely brings the throng into the limelight, which for many of the silly is an end in itself.

Noxious Greta is a living breathing, wheezing, coughing exemplar of the Rumsfeld known-unknown rant - btw, whilst he got unbelievable stick for that, it's actually been part of project management methodology since the early 70s at least....so the poor sod wasn't even original - she appeals to the many precisely because of that wide-eyed youthful innocence and inexperience in the same way that cat videos are now responsible for filling the internet video space not as yet occupied by porn. To my mind, by her furry cuteness (or saccharine sincerity, if you prefer) she is drawing the western world's attention to something that is worthy of attention....meanwhile, here in the UK, instead of worrying about dull stuff like rising tides, pollution, food and water precarity etc etc, we're fixated on trying the to leave the gang we belong to but keep our territory anyway. It takes all sorts but given the choice between living - and doing it comfortably - Brexit isn't even on the spectrum for me.




**sorry!...I said a dirty word. Honestly, the filth I come out with sometimes. I do hope you'll forgive me.

 

[cantagril]

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Would you not agree that if the problem was anything like as bad as the climate change alarmists would have us all believe, then new buildings, mortgages and insurance policies would not be readily available? Furthermore, that the main indices would be tanking, along with the currencies of those countries worst affected?
Tim.

Sorry Timsk - wrong. Truthfully, not sorry at all you're just wrong. There are legion examples of new buildings going up in at risk areas all over the world be they coastal or on flood plains. To my certain knowledge and experience this has not in the past stopped them getting insurance. Remember that unless a particular zone has been declared a being not fit for construction then it will end up being built upon. Just getting that official proscription can take years even after there has been a disaster.

Insurance is a game of statistics and actuaries are very good at playing the percentages. If we're dealing with the long term then the policies will be adjusted as time goes on, steadily rising as the years pass until the insurance company declines to renew.

And as for the markets being on top of everything, that's tantamount to saying that the markets really are efficient when anyone with a grey cell or two already knows that the markets are efficient until they're not and that "until they're not" scenario usually happens quite suddenly. Right up to that moment we'll quite happily continue to do the boiling frog thing ( which, incidentally, I understand to be a myth) and hoping and planning for the best instead of being shit-scared for the worst and trying to do something about it.

 

[Signalcalc]

Sig! You really do need to dust off that thesaurus of yours Yes, there is absolutely no doubt that there is a fad and a fashion and that boring insignificant people the world over are leaping onto the climate change bandwagon to to give their meaningless lives at least some semblance of purpose BUT I would argue that the currently useless bleating will gradually mutate into something that will actually promote an improvement in standard human behaviour.

As tenants rather than freeholders of our planet of residence one would understand that the landlord might be a tad miffed at us trashing the carpets, making firewood of the furniture and scrawling on the walls. I am in no doubt whatsoever that natural cycles and cataclysmses trump** human interference but if we are to survive then we have to clean up our act and at least think about adapting and maybe just maybe mitigating some of what is yet to come. The conflation of the multitude of different threads that make up what we are doing wrong and how much of a problem this creates or exacerbates is probably beyond the comprehension of most but is it not worth at least trying?

Nobody is going to look any sillier in the future than they do now - the world has always been full of very very silly people and climate change imo does not significantly add to the overall number but merely brings the throng into the limelight, which for many of the silly is an end in itself.

Noxious Greta is a living breathing, wheezing, coughing exemplar of the Rumsfeld known-unknown rant - btw, whilst he got unbelievable stick for that, it's actually been part of project management methodology since the early 70s at least....so the poor sod wasn't even original - she appeals to the many precisely because of that wide-eyed youthful innocence and inexperience in the same way that cat videos are now responsible for filling the internet video space not as yet occupied by porn. To my mind, by her furry cuteness (or saccharine sincerity, if you prefer) she is drawing the western world's attention to something that is worthy of attention....meanwhile, here in the UK, instead of worrying about dull stuff like rising tides, pollution, food and water precarity etc etc, we're fixated on trying the to leave the gang we belong to but keep our territory anyway. It takes all sorts but given the choice between living - and doing it comfortably - Brexit isn't even on the spectrum for me.




**sorry!...I said a dirty word. Honestly, the filth I come out with sometimes. I do hope you'll forgive me.

Please don't misinterpret my dispariging of imbicilic, media driven, over hyped eco agenda types with a lack of eco warriorness.

I have been accused by a few that know me of being a tree hugger because of my views on the planet, I have been a lifelong anti-pollutioner, upcycler, recycler, reducer of waste and 'green'.

I even worked for keep Britain tidy in the 1980s, way ahead of the curve I was in those days, I have done my share of media awareness whilst also getting my hands dirty.

What I see nowadays, similar to the LGBTQ+ promotion, the invention of hate crimes, the removal of free speech, is yet another hard left driven eco ideology emerging that will most likely alienate a large majority of people to the point where it becomes useless. Useless in the sense that lots of people will be paying lots of money for very little benefit.

On a cost based analysis basis, I don't think the current approach of using children to pull at the heart strings to raise the guilt profile of the public will work.

What is required however, is a commitment by global companies and governments to non-cynically restore some balance in what we are trying to achieve.

All of that balance needs transparency, debate and openness, none of which is currently present and I can see eventually they will try and make man-made climate change denial a hate crime, just as they have managed to shut down so many other debates over recent years.

We need moral leadership in this debate, not politically driven agendas from the hard left, no balance = no cost benefit = no consensus = hypocrisy = more authoritarianism.

 

[Signalcalc]

What answer do today's eco numpties have for their electricity consumption, how many live in cities drink Costa lotta coffee, consume, consume, consume. Where are the examples and stories they are meant to be setting? I've not seen one?

Or is it pure politics, driven by the hard left?

So the Amazon is Burning? So are the trees in my city, in a biomass sham

The use of biomass fuels in UK electric plants shadows an environmental travesty that harms disadvantaged rural communities. Español

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