Brexit and the Consequences

[Signalcalc]

Hardly obvious. You are very much off-skew. It was said there is no way EU would give a better deal than the one we already have. Anybody who said they could were talking hot air.
Anybody who believed a better deal oculd be had as touted by Brexiteers were fools.

Why would EU do such a thing? Give green light to other countries to do the same. It is ludicrous to suggest that was obvious or the case. You really are distorting facts and your appreciation of the past events are worrying. Simply means Brexiteers don't have a handle on reality. Wishful thinking is just that wishful fanciful thinking we can do this and that and at the end of the day we'll get zilch.




Not so. Farage was touting the Norwegian deal. Boris touted the Canada ++++ deal. Swiss model was also shouted about. We can have that and this and +++++. Your memory is failing you my fwiend or you have very selective memory. Which is it?

You seem to be fixated on believing that people that voted to leave believed anything any politician had to say was true, that is the MSM message, strange then that leavers ignored project fear! Most people don't believe anything politicians say, to say people voted on what they were being told is disingenuous to the voting public.

Leavers voted on their own judgements not on the word of politicians or the MSM or project fear, what a strange view to take, which one is it that, in your view, people believed?

Oh no, now I remember remoaners told us that leavers were thick and racist, so we'll be back to that old, well worn, stupid argument again, move on pleeeeease.

Merkel had a great influence on Brexit in her actions, nothing she said, blame the EU, not Brexiteer politicians

 

[Atilla]

So what deal has been offered by the EU that is acceptable to remoaner MPs?

Matey, there are about 11 tiers of EU membership. UK can simply pick one.

Issue is UK wants a special unique membership. It's called having your cake and eating it.

As before a better deal than the one we have was never going to happen! Fact people believed the dribble from Brexiteers leads me to suspect all have been misled and hoodwinked. Should be becoming clear what leadership under these clowns will look like.

Think twice!

 

[Signalcalc]

Matey, there are about 11 tiers of EU membership. UK can simply pick one.

So which one did the EU offer the UK ?

 

[Atilla]

So which one did the EU offer the UK ?

You playing silly buggers?

UK is seeking a have your cake and eat it deal!

EU is under no obligation to offer anything. TM has conducted her negotiations and a deal has been chiselled out. Take it or leave it.

 

[barjon]

But the boot was placed on the other foot in the 2016 referendum, prior to that was a campaign to leave, no reason to change anything because the democratic process was followed despite the protests to leave.

Now it has been turned around, by the public, MPs don't want to accept it, why?

The majority of MPs have accepted the referendum result to leave. The argument has been about how that is done, not whether it should be done. There is a huge majority against no-deal - made up of both remainers and leavers - and who is to say there wouldn’t be a similar majority among those people who voted leave in the referendum as the implications sink home.

 

[Signalcalc]

The majority of MPs have accepted the referendum result to leave. The argument has been about how that is done, not whether it should be done. There is a huge majority against no-deal - made up of both remainers and leavers - and who is to say there wouldn’t be a similar majority among those people who voted leave in the referendum as the implications sink home.

A naiive point of view to think that the majority of remoaner MPs want a deal, they do not, they wish to reverse Brexit, as many have publicly stated.

 

[Signalcalc]

You playing silly buggers?

UK is seeking a have your cake and eat it deal!

EU is under no obligation to offer anything. TM has conducted her negotiations and a deal has been chiselled out. Take it or leave it.

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OK, I'll rephrase the question - which of the 11 options have the EU allowed the UK to choose?

Otherwise, where is your argument that the UK can select one of the membership options?

 

[Atilla]

OK, I'll rephrase the question - which of the 11 options have the EU allowed the UK to choose?

Otherwise, where is your argument that the UK can select one of the membership options?

UK will need to make a formal application. As I said before there was a lot of talk but no action. Farage with his Norwegian model, Boris with his Canadian ++++ and the Swiss.

You don't get it do you? Why should EU make any offers? It doesn't work like that.

UK are current members with a good deal. The application has to come from UK for EU members to consider. There is no reason one of the other arrangements can not be made to work. Norwegian model was discussed but deemed to be inferior.

You really are playing silly buggers. Wake up and just accept Brexiteers have duped you to believe a better deal could be SIMPLY negotiated. Now like a sulking disillusioned little boy with tail between legs people like Boris are quite prepared to put self interest above country. Cut nose off to spite ones face. Brexiteers can't bring them selves to see they have messed up big time.

I feel it is shameful to treat elder statement who have devoted their lives and careers to Parliament the way they have. AND WHAT FOR? Simply for standing up for national interest. Boris and Farage are self serving snakes in the grass. Deserters at the first point of call. When leadership is required they bottle it. Contemptible scoundrels. Moggy SH no different. Govey the back stabber. Leadsom some half baked wannabee with a made up CV. The whole lot of Brexiteer Eurosceptics are utterly useless bunch of feckless self serving opportunists.


There you are looking to blame the EU. They didn't make us any good offers??? You are being very naive indeed. You should look closer to home.

 

[Signalcalc]

UK will need to make a formal application. As I said before there was a lot of talk but no action. Farage with his Norwegian model, Boris with his Canadian ++++ and the Swiss.

You don't get it do you? Why should EU make any offers? It doesn't work like that.

UK are current members with a good deal. The application has to come from UK for EU members to consider. There is no reason one of the other arrangements can not be made to work. Norwegian model was discussed but deemed to be inferior.

You really are playing silly buggers. Wake up and just accept Brexiteers have duped you to believe a better deal could be SIMPLY negotiated. Now like a sulking disillusioned little boy with tail between legs people like Boris are quite prepared to put self interest above country. Cut nose off to spite ones face. Brexiteers can't bring them selves to see they have messed up big time.

I feel it is shameful to treat elder statement who have devoted their lives and careers to Parliament the way they have. AND WHAT FOR? Simply for standing up for national interest. Boris and Farage are self serving snakes in the grass. Deserters at the first point of call. When leadership is required they bottle it. Contemptible scoundrels. Moggy SH no different. Govey the back stabber. Leadsom some half baked wannabee with a made up CV. The whole lot of Brexiteer Eurosceptics are utterly useless bunch of feckless self serving opportunists.


There you are looking to blame the EU. They didn't make us any good offers??? You are being very naive indeed. You should look closer to home.

There'll be no negotiation available now remoaners have gone and fecked up the whole process, yet again, what a bunch of useless twonks.

Answer me this, why didn't the Remoaners give Boris a chance to negotiate with the EU?

 

[Signalcalc]

I feel it is shameful to treat elder statement who have devoted their lives and careers to Parliament the way they have. AND WHAT FOR? Simply for standing up for national interest.

Who Ken Clarke? The Bilderberger organiser, putting globalists interests above national interest, he's one traitor that deserves to lose his position.

You are an odd bod Att, on the one hand a progressive Libdem social justice warrior, eco Brighton open border loon, on the other hand sticking up for globalists, big business, bankster elitists with not a care for ordinary folk, I think you are politically conflicted just like most remoaners that can't tell true democracy from faux democracy. Bang on about the sovereignty of parliament but would rather hand that sovereignty to foreign powers and supranational rule. Would rather see the UK lose it's military defence capability and chain of command to an unelected foreign power for their own use and would rather see rule by no consensus than following a democratic process - bonkers the lot of ya

Would rather wave a blue flag with yellow stars than a Union Jack, would rather be an EU citizen than a UK citizen!

Or do you just see £££££££££££

Like the SNP, committed nationalists, yet would rather be ruled by Brussels, the worst of the lot for hypocrisy, all they definitely see is freebie EU £££££ and leverage to leave the UK, absolutely double down bonkers.

 

[timsk]

. . . UK is seeking a have your cake and eat it deal!
EU is under no obligation to offer anything. TM has conducted her negotiations and a deal has been chiselled out. Take it or leave it.

Hi At',
This is the crux of the matter, IMO.
David Davis and his DExEU ministers worked out a good deal that they all approved and was later mirrored by an offer of a very similar deal from Donald Tusk. That was the 'perfect' Brexit deal that we could - and should - have had. However, unbeknown to them, Davis and DExEU (as it was then) was just a sham as Mrs. May and Ollie Robbins were were all the time concocting their own BRINO deal at No. 10 which was presented just days later at Chequers. Mrs.May is the real villain here - or heroin for you remainers - as it is she who scuppered the whole thing and has lead to the current impasse.

The remainer tactic has been a very effective two pronged strategy. On the one hand to produce a deal that's so bad that no one wants it while, on the other hand, to take no-deal off the table. However, as Sig' has pointed out repeatedly, the general public aren't half as stupid as politicians like to think they are and can see through this ruse and simply won't accept it. Parliaiment works for us - we pay their wages - we tell them what to do and not the other way around. That's why Boris' plan for a GE and to frame it as 'the people against Parliament' is absolutely spot on and it's why the Tories (with the help of the Brexit Party) will surely win.
Tim.

 

[0007]

Labour's shambolic performance has only one aim: a Marxist government that in addition to trashing everything would no doubt change the rules so they couldn't be got rid of. The Conservative parliamentary party has continued with it's long-term project of exploring the ultimate boundaries of its political JCB hole digging excavator. The Liberals now appear to to be a ragbag collection of would-be socialists and refugees from other parties. The Greens, Change UK & UKIP ......... don't make me laugh!

An election is now inevitable one way or another and the person with the biggest smile on his face will be Nigel. Boris won't admit it yet, but he's going to have to do a deal with Nigel.

 

[counter_violent]

Labour's shambolic performance has only one aim: a Marxist government that in addition to trashing everything would no doubt change the rules so they couldn't be got rid of. The Conservative parliamentary party has continued with it's long-term project of exploring the ultimate boundaries of its political JCB hole digging excavator. The Liberals now appear to to be a ragbag collection of would-be socialists and refugees from other parties. The Greens, Change UK & UKIP ......... don't make me laugh!

An election is now inevitable one way or another and the person with the biggest smile on his face will be Nigel. Boris won't admit it yet, but he's going to have to do a deal with Nigel.

Labour's shambolic performance has only one aim: a Marxist government that in addition to trashing everything would no doubt change the rules so they couldn't be got rid of. The Conservative parliamentary party has continued with it's long-term project of exploring the ultimate boundaries of its political JCB hole digging excavator. The Liberals now appear to to be a ragbag collection of would-be socialists and refugees from other parties. The Greens, Change UK & UKIP ......... don't make me laugh!

An election is now inevitable one way or another and the person with the biggest smile on his face will be Nigel. Boris won't admit it yet, but he's going to have to do a deal with Nigel.

I told Att and his Remoaner buddies months ago that this is where we would end up, but for some reason he want's me to give him another update.

Well Att.....there is no update...nothing has changed.

We will be leaving without a deal.
Tories minus remoan wing will romp home at the next election, even if they are supported by Farages Brexit Party.
The natural majority in the UK want Brexit. The numbers can't be altered regardless of which fringe parties club together.
The longer the whinging goes on, the harder positions become.
Brexiters should not and will not concede any ground.
Corbyn and his Marxist rabble are a complete joke. Anyone voting for them need their heads examined.
Swinson is an air head....absolutely anyone could debate her into the ground...... nuff said.
Sturgeon is another air head, who advocates independence from the UK only to go grovelling to the EU for the handouts.

 

[trendie]

Is this guy speaking any sense? Not sure myself.
He uploads his take on things almost daily. He is a remainer.

 

[Atilla]

I told Att and his Remoaner buddies months ago that this is where we would end up, but for some reason he want's me to give him another update.

Well Att.....there is no update...nothing has changed.

We will be leaving without a deal.
Tories minus remoan wing will romp home at the next election, even if they are supported by Farages Brexit Party.
The natural majority in the UK want Brexit. The numbers can't be altered regardless of which fringe parties club together.
The longer the whinging goes on, the harder positions become.
Brexiters should not and will not concede any ground.
Corbyn and his Marxist rabble are a complete joke. Anyone voting for them need their heads examined.
Swinson is an air head....absolutely anyone could debate her into the ground...... nuff said.
Sturgeon is another air head, who advocates independence from the UK only to go grovelling to the EU for the handouts.

Lol.

Still a sleep n dreaming.

As you were

 

[Signalcalc]

I don't know why Labour aren't wanting a general election, according to Diane Abbot Labour are the most popular party polling on 114% [emoji23]

 

[0007]

Can you imagine the outcry if Remain had won the referendum and Leavers were still refusing to accept the result three years later? Democracy – what democracy?

 

[Atilla]

I don't know why Labour aren't wanting a general election, according to Diane Abbot Labour are the most popular party polling on 114% [emoji23]

They do but who would trust Boris?

 

[Atilla]

Can you imagine the outcry if Remain had won the referendum and Leavers were still refusing to accept the result three years later? Democracy – what democracy?

You must be kidding? Eurosceptics have been doing that since 1975.

In accordance with the Act, the European Communities membership referendum took place on Thursday 5 June 1975, and voters approved continued EC/EEC membership by 67% to 33% on a national turnout of 64%.

Is this what they call falling on your own sword! 😅😂🤣🤪

Referendum Act 1975 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Atilla]

Hi At',
This is the crux of the matter, IMO.
David Davis and his DExEU ministers worked out a good deal that they all approved and was later mirrored by an offer of a very similar deal from Donald Tusk. That was the 'perfect' Brexit deal that we could - and should - have had. However, unbeknown to them, Davis and DExEU (as it was then) was just a sham as Mrs. May and Ollie Robbins were were all the time concocting their own BRINO deal at No. 10 which was presented just days later at Chequers. Mrs.May is the real villain here - or heroin for you remainers - as it is she who scuppered the whole thing and has lead to the current impasse.

The remainer tactic has been a very effective two pronged strategy. On the one hand to produce a deal that's so bad that no one wants it while, on the other hand, to take no-deal off the table. However, as Sig' has pointed out repeatedly, the general public aren't half as stupid as politicians like to think they are and can see through this ruse and simply won't accept it. Parliaiment works for us - we pay their wages - we tell them what to do and not the other way around. That's why Boris' plan for a GE and to frame it as 'the people against Parliament' is absolutely spot on and it's why the Tories (with the help of the Brexit Party) will surely win.
Tim.

And why isn't Davies in Boris's government now or such perfect deal revisited if such offer was indeed made by Donald Tusk.

Need evidence rather than hear says.

Forgive me but I can't take your suggestion as being credible.

As for people against Parliament that's pretty lame and far from the truth. This is about membership of the European Union and where the UK sees her self strategically for the next 50 years imo. Boris and the Brexiteers will try and distort and deceive simple people.