CavaliereVerde
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I have a question for you.
Has Putin invaded Ukraine ...
- to remove the neonazis?
- to prevent it to join NATO?
Has he promoted nazi laws?
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Has Putin invaded Ukraine ...
Has he promoted nazi laws?
IlIlIlIlI
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Both - and to end the war in Donbas.
Joining NATO was and is against the agreement for Ukraine to start existing as an independent country beginning of the 90s, to rule that out was one of the basic conditions.
To remove neonazis is the result of the analysis for the reason of the Donbas killings where the Ukranian forces denied to shoot Ukrainians in 2014. There are several videos where the Ukrainian soldiers removed the bolts from their weapons when they arrived in Donbas. Then the Ukrainian government were replaces by the Neonazi batallions and mercenaries.
Ukrainians didn't shoot Ukrainians, Nazis and mercenaries did and do.
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Do you have any reference for this?
What do you think about the Wagner group?
Is Putin credible as nazi hunter?
CavaliereVerde
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It was the only way to keep the land and prevent it to fall under russian control, a countermeasure to mercenaries and criminals sent by Putin.
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The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons. (1990)
Additional there was to regard the partition of the USSR Black sea fleet where Russia took most of the ships. It stayed in Crimea.
In the beginning of the war the Wagner group was not in Ukraine. Russia intentionally ruled them out and called Chechen fighters. I don't know reliable sources that they were involved in the Donbas war 2014 to February 2022. Reference in wikipedia was added after the Euromaidan by the "Euromaidan press" which can be faked later.
About the Euromaidan you also find a whitewashing in the Englisch wikipedia removing the reference to the Nazi symbols which are visible on a lot of pictures (OUN flags, Azov and other stuff including the Bandera picture as Nazi symbol), which are still listed in the German wikipedia about the Euromaidan.
CavaliereVerde
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Probably I underestimated nazism in Ukraine and what I see is that nazism there is above average and more tolerated than in other countries.
Having said that what I see is not enough to define Ukraine a nazi country or ruled by nazis.
Poroshenko was less honest and more nazi than Zelensky so the trend the right one.
I agree with the conclusions of this article:
Can Ukraine have a 'Nazi problem' with a Jewish president?
Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine is now months long and Russian President Vladimir Putin and his government continue to invoke a "fight against Nazis" as
jewishunpacked.com
Ukraine with its flaws is still much better than Transnistria, LPR DPR , Abcasia and South Ossetia. Exporting kleptocracy is even worse than exporting democracy.
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IlIlIlIlI
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That does not mean there is no immense Nazi problem.
Our problem is that we always see Hitler's government and their crimes when we read Nazi and the worst and best known crime was the Holocaust killing millions of people because of their religion.
The main point is facism together with nationalism.
That has nothing to do with the religion and the Jews.
It is completely wrong to rule out Nazism because Zelensky and his oligarch who stole 4 billion USD from Ukraine are Jews.
Hitler selected the Jews, the Ukronazis the Russians or Russian Ukranians.
The rest is the same inhuman attitude against a group of peolple outside of the own ones.
That does not whitewash them from being Nazis with the same cruelty.
Israel has a problem with Ukraine because Bandera and his troops killed (ten)thousand of Jews and more than 100.000 Poles. Both countries cannot tolerate any cult about Bandera.
Clearing the collaborator Bandera of his crimes is the same thing Holocaust deniers do: an attempt to falsify history.
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Lets see how this gets explained away.
The sole survivor of a Russian shooting - he lived by playing dead
The extraordinary story of the sole survivor from a group of Ukrainians captured by Russian soldiers.
www.bbc.co.uk
IlIlIlIlI
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Typical amateurish fake story. Pictures shown have no evidence.Lets see how this gets explained away.
The sole survivor of a Russian shooting - he lived by playing dead
The extraordinary story of the sole survivor from a group of Ukrainians captured by Russian soldiers.www.bbc.co.uk
Better stuff is hidden in the following videos:
The Bucha propaganda lie refuted by refugees from Bucha
The Bucha propaganda lie refuted by refugees from Bucha:
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“Bucha massacre” (Part 1)
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“Bucha massacre” (Part 2)
The main reports on Bucha came out after the Ukrainian military finished conducting a “sweep” (or purge) of the city, also looking for “diversionists and Russian collaborators”.
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Assuming English is not your native language, it's a common mistake to switch the subject and object.Better stuff is hidden in the following videos:
New Evidence Shows How Russian Soldiers Executed Men in Bucha (Published 2022)
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CavaliereVerde
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IlIlIlIlI
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Ex-president urges Ukrainians to decide if they want to fight âuntil the last Ukrainianâ
The former head of state stressed that since 2014, the countryâs authorities had many times deceived the Ukrainian people, shattering their hopes for lasting peace
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I don't agree, I suggest that every seviceman (and not people who don't fight) should be asked whether he wants to (risk to) be shot, killed, wounded or crippled.
IlIlIlIlI
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"Hello, Mr. Regis.Please pass on our thanks to President Macron for the donation of the self-propelled guns.
This equipment is of course not tip top... not like our MSTA-S!.But nevertheless, it will be useful.
Send more - we will dismantle them." (Translated with deepl from French)
This equipment is of course not tip top... not like our MSTA-S!.But nevertheless, it will be useful.
Send more - we will dismantle them." (Translated with deepl from French)
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Look at all these actors, pretending they are happy about what the evil, "Brutal" Russian invaders have done...
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IlIlIlIlI
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Rufus_Leakey
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It's worse than that. The world is run by lizards.How the U.S. Government Hides Its Being a Dictatorship
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counter_violent
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Ukraine round-up: Putin dares West as Zelensky pays tribute to Johnson
Russian forces push into the eastern Donetsk where one civilian died on Thursday after a missile strike.
www.bbc.co.uk
President Vladimir Putin has made a bullish speech to top Russian MPs, daring the West to have a go at defeating Moscow on the battlefield.
"What can you say, let them try," he jibed.
The Russian leader also claimed his side had barely started its offensive in in earnest.
CavaliereVerde
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Putin still think to be really the second military power in the world.
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Disappointed to hear you are happy about mess in Ukraine. I would not frame it as Russia getting it self into a mess. More a case of defending her position as the US did with Cuba. Contrary to all assurances US and UK with the weaponised tool NATO is just playing silly buggers as they always do.
How other countries manage themselves are not our issues. As said before the objective is to democratise other countries so that the West can manipulate and rig systems in their own favour by corrupting, buying and tilting events in their favour.
In short to answer your question, Russia is not Europe's enemy. Russian supply of gas and oil and commodities improves all our position through economic trade and opening up of borders. The oligarchs spend their billions all over the UK and EU. Shell and POLYgen invest in Russia and pay dividends in the UK. Everyone is happy.
As for Ukraine, they too have become a tool. A proxy stick to beat Russia with. However, it's gone horribly wrong for the West imo. EU, US and the UK all in a bit of a pickle. The fact that the situation has got this far, taunting and antagonising the situ is crazy.
The Dnieper river serves as a good geometrical divide for now. Either way Ukraine as before must remain neutral much like Switzerland and Austria. Rule out membership of NATO.
I'd like to see both Ukraine and Russia in the union. It would make the EU much stronger and better, opening up a massive market place as well as securing all people with food and energy resources.
We can continue to trade with the US and everyone is happy. I see no freaking reason for any wars. Just economic trade and good business. Open borders, love peace and harmony. Russia is not our enemy and does not pose a risk to Europe imho.
