Atilla
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Hi c_v,
Okay, allow me to clarify. . .
Both sides have nuclear weapons and, as I understand it, the general idea is that each is meant to deter the other from ever using them. That said, the U.S. set that precedent in Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World War II, so there's a strong argument to be made that they - not Putin and Russia - would be the first to use them in this conflict. Madness, as you must surely know by now, is endemic among all politicians of every hue and culture, be they left or right and from the east or west. Ergo, I don't believe Putin is any more or less bonkers than BoJo, Biden or anyone else one might care to mention.
The bottom line is this: is your hatred of a leader of another country that bears almost zero threat to our national security so great that you'd be prepared to go to war (which could mean a nuclear war) just to get rid of him? If the answer is yes, please tell us why? Why does it matter to you sooooo much that Putin isn't allowed to remain president of Russia, and what makes you believe whoever replaces him will be any better and will suddenly start kowtowing to the west? Can you provide a single shred of evidence that getting rid of Putin will result any net benefit to us in the west?
As an aside, I went to a local steel supplier yesterday for a price on some steel mesh for the concrete base of the extension I'm building. Guess how long the price they gave me was valid for? Just until the end of the day, that's all! Today it will be higher and higher again on Monday - and so on. All because of this conflict and sanctions against Russia. If getting shot of Putin helps to bring down the price of steel mesh (and timber) - then I'll support you in wanting rid of him - but that's the only vested interest I have in wanting shot of him. But it's hardly worth going to war over!!! In all other respects, it's none of my business who the leader of Russia is: that's entirely a matter for Russian people to decide - not you or me.
Tim.
Excellent post Tim and agree with you 100%. Well considered and thought out with follow through.
I always think if my adversary has a bad system of production, economy or leader, why would I want to change it?
What's it to me. Better they remain in an outmoded and inefficient system of production and democratic selective process.
The reason is of course as seen in Latin America and Africa, corrupt politicians are easier to manipulate, control or even remove by other means. The destabilisation efforts of advanced countries with long intelligence arms can reach all the way to corrupt politicians' scrotums (much like Zelensky) and have them over a barrel.
For example, what options does Zelensky have? I'd be interested to know which country will take him once his useless purpose in Ukraine is settled. Will he be driving around in a tank pelted by civilians hurling flowers at him waving flags or throwing rotten tomatoes and eggs at a comedian who took them on a very foolish and destructive war against old relatives and brothers in arms over course of history?
Sometimes I even wonder if he is a double-spy working to enhance Russia's agenda to take over and divide the productive part of Ukraine once and for all. His actions make no sense to me none what so ever.
This might be a similar strategy to that employed by the US with Al-Qaida and 9/11. Who knows? Just simply that not much of what is happening makes sense.
Then as you rightly point out we have armchair chappies like our two CVs gun-ho cheering the war as justified supporting Ukraine's application to join NATO, dismissing WMD and the integration of the Nazi battalion into NATO and CIA. Crazy old men passed their sell-by date. Consume with caution
Personally, I wouldn't trust Trump with the nuke button. I do believe in Putin being of sane mind and justified however to defend Russia. The attackers and invaders are the West here not Russia.