Ukraine invasion

counter_violent · Sep 15, 2023

Ukraine ignoring Putler.

Well done Ukraine.

timsk · Sep 15, 2023

counter_violent said:
Ukraine ignoring Putler.

Well done Ukraine.

c_v,
If by some slim chance you're remotely interested in the reason why Zelensky is rejecting Putin's offer of diplomacy - then you need to read, mark, learn and inwardly digest every syllable of this latest offering from The Duran . . .

counter_violent · Sep 15, 2023

timsk said:
c_v,
If by some slim chance you're remotely interested in the reason why Zelensky is rejecting Putin's offer of diplomacy - then you need to read, mark, learn and inwardly digest every syllable of this latest offering from The Duran . . .

Zelensky has no need to talk to Putler. None whatsoever. So that's that then.

timsk · Sep 16, 2023

counter_violent said:
Zelensky has no need to talk to Putler. None whatsoever. So that's that then.

Oh dear c_v.
Given our long history together on T2W, it's sad that you can't be bothered to watch the video before posting your comment.

There are only three possible outcomes to this conflict, none of which involve restoring Ukraine's borders to what they were before Russia's 'special military operation' began last year. . .

1. Zelensky takes Blinken's and the west's advice and accepts Putin's offer to negotiate.
2. Russia continues it's slow but relentless grind through Ukraine's soldiers and kit until there's none of either left. This will result in Ukraine's surrender and/or Zelensky (and his top people) making like a shepherd and getting the flock out 'o there - probably to his beach front villa in Miami.
3. Zelensky somehow manages to get the collective west and the U.S. in particular to go all in on full tilt, which will result in WW3 and, in turn, almost inevitably turn nuclear. Bye bye world.

Like them or not, accept them or not, those are the only available options, so the 'need' for Zelensky to talk to Putin could not be greater. If he was dragging you, your family and friends to the front lines where most of you - if not all of you will die - you'd be begging him to talk to Putin. You can be pretty sure that's exactly what most Ukrainians think - certainly the ones who still live there.
Tim.

Rufus_Leakey · Sep 16, 2023

timsk said:
Oh dear c_v.
Given our long history together on T2W, it's sad that you can't be bothered to watch the video before posting your comment.

timsk said:
I confess I rarely click on links you include in your posts

In other words, "Rules for thee but not for me."

A good reason for not negotiating with Russia is they haven't been truthful about too much regarding their invasions (see below). So, "this time it might be different" doesn't seem like a strong argument.

Russia pledged to uphold Ukraine's sovereignty in 1994. This was part of the Budapest Memorandum, where Ukraine, transitioning into an international order as a non-nuclear state, received security assurances¹. In this agreement, Russia, along with the U.S. and the U.K., pledged to respect the independence, sovereignty, and existing borders of Ukraine¹. They also agreed to refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine's territorial integrity or political independence¹. However, Russia's actions in recent years, including the annexation of Crimea in 2014 and the ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine, have been in violation of these commitments¹.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 9/16/2023
(1) Ukraine got a signed commitment in 1994 to ensure its security – but .... https://theconversation.com/ukraine...-and-allies-stop-putins-aggression-now-173481.
(2) Upholding Ukraine's Sovereignty in the Face of Russia's Aggression: A .... https://www.state.gov/briefings-for...sovereignty-in-the-face-of-russias-aggression.
(3) Secretary Antony J. Blinken And Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro .... https://www.state.gov/secretary-ant...mytro-kuleba-at-a-joint-press-availability-2/.
(4) Ukraine's forgotten security guarantee – DW – 12/05/2014. https://www.dw.com/en/ukraines-forgotten-security-guarantee-the-budapest-memorandum/a-18111097.

There have been several false statements from Russia regarding the war in Ukraine. Here are some examples:

1. **U.S. Biolabs in Ukraine**: Russia claimed that there are U.S. biolabs in Ukraine funded by the U.S. government¹. However, the labs in question are owned and funded by the Ukrainian government¹.

2. **Ukraine as the Largest Donor to the Clinton Foundation**: Russia claimed that Ukraine was the largest donor to the Clinton Foundation¹. However, Ukraine is not listed as a donor¹.

3. **Banning of the Rothschild Family**: Russia claimed that Vladimir Putin has banned the Rothschild family from entering Russia¹. However, there's no evidence supporting this claim¹.

4. **Sale of Alaska to Russia**: Russia claimed that President Joe Biden plans to sell Alaska to Russia¹. This claim is satire and stems from an article published by The Babylon Bee, a satire website¹.

5. **Ukraine as the Aggressor**: Russia claimed that Ukraine and Ukrainian government officials are the aggressor in the Russia-Ukraine relationship². However, false statements from the Putin regime blame the victim, Ukraine, for Russia’s aggression².

6. **The West Pushing Ukraine Toward a Conflict**: Russia claimed that The West is pushing Ukraine toward a conflict². However, Moscow instigated the current crisis by placing more than 100,000 troops on the border of Ukraine².

7. **Repositioning of Troops on Russian Territory**: Russia claimed that its deployment of combat forces is a mere repositioning of troops on its own territory². However, deploying more than 100,000 Russian troops to the borders of a country that Russia has previously invaded and still occupies in places is no mere troop rotation².

Please note that these are statements made by Russia and may not reflect the full reality of the situation. The conflict is complex and ongoing, and information should be interpreted with caution.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 9/16/2023
(1) Fact check: What's true and what's false about the invasion of Ukraine. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-and-whats-false-invasion-ukraine/6952717001/.
(2) Fact vs. Fiction: Russian Disinformation on Ukraine. https://www.state.gov/fact-vs-fiction-russian-disinformation-on-ukraine/.
(3) Fact check: Russia falsely blames Ukraine for starting war. https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-russia-falsely-blames-ukraine-for-starting-war/a-60999948.
(4) Fact check: Putin's claims justifying war in Ukraine are baseless .... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-justifying-war-ukraine-baseless/7089270001/.
(5) Prigozhin Told the Truth About Putin’s War in Ukraine. https://theintercept.com/2023/07/01/prigozhin-truth-putin-war-ukraine/.

There were several false statements from Russia regarding their invasion of Georgia:

1. **Responsibility to Protect**: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov claimed that by attacking Georgia, Russia was implementing a principle endorsed by the UN Security Council in 2006: the "responsibility to protect"¹. However, the most reliable independent reporting concluded that fewer than 100 civilians died during Georgia's initial incursion into the region¹.

2. **Accusation of Genocide**: Russia accused Georgia of committing genocide against South Ossetia¹³. This accusation was not supported by independent reporting¹.

3. **U.S. Orchestrating the Conflict**: Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin accused the U.S. of orchestrating the conflict in Georgia². However, these statements were labeled as "ludicrous" by U.S. State Department deputy spokesman Robert Wood².

4. **Invasion as Peace Enforcement**: Russia referred to its full-scale land, air, and sea invasion of Georgia as a "peace enforcement" operation³. This contradicts the fact that it was an invasion of another country's territory³.

Please note that these are statements made by Russia and may not reflect the full reality of the situation. The conflict was complex and information should be interpreted with caution.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 9/16/2023
(1) Russia's Poor Excuse For Invading Georgia - CBS News. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russias-poor-excuse-for-invading-georgia/.
(2) Russo-Georgian War - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War.
(3) Putin accuses U.S. of orchestrating Georgian war - CNN.com. https://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/28/russia.georgia.cold.war/index.html.
(4) International reaction to the Russo-Georgian War - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reaction_to_the_Russo-Georgian_War.

timsk · Sep 16, 2023

Rufus_Leakey said:
In other words, "Rules for thee but not for me."

R_L,
Far from it. I gave extensive reasons why I didn't always view your links - so the circumstances are in no way comparable.

Rufus_Leakey said:
A good reason for not negotiating with Russia is they haven't been truthful about too much regarding their invasions (see below). So, "this time it might be different" doesn't seem like a strong argument.

Brilliant argument. Stellar. Assuming you're not as insane as Zelensky and don't actually want WW3, that means you favour option 2, i.e. the continuing slaughter of ever younger and ever older Ukrainians, which will achieve precisely nothing other than perpetuating the war quite needlessly and increasing the risk of it turning nuclear. That's a great option - congratulations - you must be chuffed to bits with that. :-(
Tim.

counter_violent · Sep 16, 2023

timsk said:
R_L,
Far from it. I gave extensive reasons why I didn't always view your links - so the circumstances are in no way comparable.

Brilliant argument. Stellar. Assuming you're not as insane as Zelensky and don't actually want WW3, that means you favour option 2, i.e. the continuing slaughter of ever younger and ever older Ukrainians, which will achieve precisely nothing other than perpetuating the war quite needlessly and increasing the risk of it turning nuclear. That's a great option - congratulations - you must be chuffed to bits with that. :-(
Tim.

I'm really starting to wonder about your state of mind tbh. The credibility and standing of your sources used to back up a blatantly wrong headed position on Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

This clown is one of yours.

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timsk · Sep 16, 2023

counter_violent said:
I'm really starting to wonder about your state of mind tbh. The credibility and standing of your sources used to back up a blatantly wrong headed position on Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

As usual c_v, you have no answer to the points put to you. You say my position is "blatantly wrong headed", but don't provide a single shred of evidence to support the accusation. That's the norm from you, which is why I stopped contributing to the thread.

Unlike yours, my state of mind is logical and consistent. You, on the other hand, are all over the place. One minute you're criticising MSM for their lies and misinformation (e.g. Brexit, Trump, the pandemic and climate change etc.) Then, you're in bed with them lapping up every syllable. When will the penny finally drop: it's the same people with the same agenda: power, control and money. Take your own excellent advice and follow the money!
Follow the money
Follow the money
Lastly, from just a few days ago: Follow the money

counter_violent said:
This clown is one of yours.

He's 90% yours too, as 90% plus of what Brand says you agree with. It's only on the subject of Ukraine that you and he differ. You know full well it's a hit job on him because he's become huge, with a massive following, and threatens the corporate liberal elites. Yeah, that's the same corporate liberal elites who - in any other context - you have no time for and, like Brand, think are acting in their own best interests and not yours. C'mon c_v, you're better than this.

The parallels with trading are clear: you're in a trade that's gone horribly, horribly wrong and you're adding to a losing position, hoping and praying for a miracle that the market does an about turn and enables you to exit for a small loss or, at best, break even. But it ain't happening, the reality is that the market continues to go against you and you're about to blow your account. That's where you're all at with this war. So, I urge you, R_L, CV and anyone else who persists in doubling down on what they 'want', 'hope' and 'wish' for to change tack and embrace the reality of the situation. That means picking one of the only three available options that I outlined in my last post to you. Of those, to a rational and sane person, only the first one makes any sense: belly to belly negotiation.

If you can't agree to that, then I have a final question to put to you: is your your hubris, arrogance and ego more important to you than the lives of innocent people being slaughtered on the battlefield? Are you really willing to see more people needlessly killed day after day rather than admit that you misjudged the situation and backed the wrong horse? That's certainly how it appears to me. So, when it comes to our respective states of mind, I put it to you that it is you who needs to look in the mirror and examine your beliefs, values and, above all, your moral compass. Because, unless you do an about turn, you're advocating and promoting the senseless killing of more and more people for absolutely no good reason whatsoever which will merely lead to more misery, suffering and destruction and, potentially, nuclear war. And that, quite literally, is not just totally immoral, it's completely insane.
Tim.

IlIlIlIlI · Sep 17, 2023

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Phylo · Sep 19, 2023

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Ukraine sues EU neighbours over food imports ban

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Phylo · Sep 19, 2023

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IlIlIlIlI · Sep 20, 2023

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Phylo · Sep 20, 2023

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Ukrainian saboteurs hit two planes at airfield where Putin keeps 'doomsday' aircraft he would use in the event of nuclear war - as drone strike hits Sochi resort where Vladimir has private residence

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Phylo · Sep 20, 2023

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Phylo · Sep 20, 2023

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Phylo · Sep 20, 2023

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