Trump Presidency and the Consequences

[Mr. Charts]

One of the biggest consequences of The Donald being elected is the mushrooming number of online forum posts detailing how every single thing he does is anti-democratic, anti-'Merican even anti-sceptic.

Still, it beats losing money shorting the Dow. Its not even going to attempt to go down today.

The market awaits the words of The Golden One to Congress tonight. It's been a nice day for intra day stock traders so far, though

 

[dbphoenix]

Which war has the US lost or failed to achieve desired objectives due to shortage of military weapons, money or soldiers?

The losses are due largely -- or entirely -- to arrogance. The US hasn't won a war since WW2, but even that war was "won" only because we had help. American "exceptionalism" demands that we ignore the contributions of the British, the French, the Russians and the Chinese, for a start. And since we allegedly won the War all by ourselves, we ought to be able to win anything, which is what got us into Korea and Viet Nam. Korea was a draw and VN a loss, but that didn't prevent us from barging into Kuwait and making exactly the same mistake we made in Germany in 1945. Then of course there was the Iraq War.

So even tho Trump has zero military experience, never even went through basic, he's decided that bombing the hell out of whatever whoever is the way to proceed in the ME.

One has to wonder just how low Repubs will sink, and how low they will drag the country, to entertain these fantasies.

 

[dbphoenix]

The market awaits the words of The Golden One to Congress tonight. It's been a nice day for intra day stock traders so far, though

Worth remembering to "sell the fact".

 

[Mr. Charts]

Worth remembering to "sell the fact".

Actual VERIFIABLE facts or Trumpian "alternative facts" ?

 

[Mr. Charts]

I expect Trump to say afterwards how 200 Senators and 870 Representatives applauded him so loudly the earth shook and trembled with adulation.

 

[Mr. Charts]

And I expect the evil enemies of the people media will claim only 535 congressmen were present.
And some of them didn't applaud. Lies ! Lies ! Lies !

 

[piphoe]

while we await der hair furor...

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/02/buffett-gates/517833/

 

[dbphoenix]

Trump also faces the reality that the United States is not the superpower of his imagination. Other states have the power and resources to resist American bullying and to push back. If the United States unilaterally raises tariffs on imported goods from China or Mexico, retaliation against American exports to those countries will be swift. The White House is already besieged by lobbyists representing Midwest farmers, high-tech firms, and big-box retailers who would be hurt in any trade war. Trump’s efforts to force allies to raise defense budgets against domestic opposition will meet with the same dismal results as experienced by past presidents. The days when Washington could dictate to the rest of the world—especially in such a belligerent manner—are long gone.

--Fortune

 

[dbphoenix]

"This breakup with Donald Trump has given you, the media, an amazing opportunity for self-reflection and improvement. Instead of worrying about whether Trump is un-American, or if he thinks you’re the enemy, or if he’s being mean to you, or if he’s going to let you go back into the briefings, do something for yourself. Self-improvement! Take up a hobby. I recommend journalism."

--Jon Stewart

 

[Mr. Charts]

The only thing Trump has done which is fair and reasonable is to encourage NATO members to increase their defence budgets rather than their selfish reliance on the US to pay more proportionally to defend them.
Credit where it's due.
I still am extremely negative about him, but objectively he is right about that.

 

[Atilla]

The only thing Trump has done which is fair and reasonable is to encourage NATO members to increase their defence budgets rather than their selfish reliance on the US to pay more proportionally to defend them.
Credit where it's due.
I still am extremely negative about him, but objectively he is right about that.

Still a waste of money. Spend more money on NATO and pile'm up on Russias borders...

Why?

What on earth are US warships doing in the Black Sea?

Protecting us from what exactly?


All this war mongering is so yesterday. Just fear to get the big boys to spend money on their metal toys.

Does anyone think?

 

[dbphoenix]

Enables politicians to give their constituents the impression that the politicians are actually doing something besides just having a high old time on congressional welfare.

 

[dbphoenix]

'I think he is behind it': Trump accuses Obama of organizing protests against him.

We all grow older, but we don't necessarily grow up.

 

[sminicooper]

Still a waste of money. Spend more money on NATO and pile'm up on Russias borders...

Why?

What on earth are US warships doing in the Black Sea?

Protecting us from what exactly?


All this war mongering is so yesterday. Just fear to get the big boys to spend money on their metal toys.

Does anyone think?

Effective deterrents are expensive but have to be paid for. Human nature never changes and aggressive chancers are always lurking. As Roosevelt said: "speak softly, and carry a big stick."

 

[piphoe]

Politicians are former constituents, are they to blame they are pooled from US unfortunately charisma still trumps intellect, morality, ethics and competency into the 21st century.

Bottom line, we are as a whole too lazy to fact check them. However, the blame doesn't all lie with us, society in 21st century is a very very complex system, how do we vet? How do we choose between them?

How do "I" or you tell a govt appointed economist he's FOS? We don't have that specialized knowledge. And thats just one facet of society in 21st century. IOW, this sht is not only hard! Its unknowable.

So what is the alternative? None of us can be knowledgeable specialists in every field that impacts a society, and even THEY disagree so what do we do?

We elect based on charisma & "feelings". "I feel like he or she is good guy". When they turn out to be a POS I don't know what the solution to that is.

 

[Mr. Charts]

Still a waste of money. Spend more money on NATO and pile'm up on Russias borders...

Why?

What on earth are US warships doing in the Black Sea?

Protecting us from what exactly?


All this war mongering is so yesterday. Just fear to get the big boys to spend money on their metal toys.

Does anyone think?

I'm not going to get into a prolonged discussion about deterrence and not being strong enough to dissuade peace loving Putin's invasion of Crimea and Ukraine and his pressure on the Baltic states and others. Obama created the openings for Putin with his withdrawal from the world and his failed re-focus on the Pacific Rim. Obama was a charming but useless President, only surpassed in ineptitude by the peanut farmer.
International bullies don't pick on people who are strong. Yes, I know the US has made many bad mistakes, many indefensible, but I'd rather live in the US than in any other country except England. And certainly not in Russia !
Who is a threat to our freedom? Not the US !
Strength deters aggression. That's not war mongering, that's plain common sense.
And some of us do think, actually.
Though we might not agree, it's safe to do so, unlike in Russia, China and many other places.
I just wish they hadn't picked Trump though I admit Hillary wasn't the best of candidates

 

[piphoe]

I am more than willing to make that reasonable sacrifice for a greater good, but I don't want to feel like I have been taken advantage of. Like when they dispute obvious facts, and their spin (lying) is so outrageous, and their agenda is so obvious

IOW, don't urinate down my back and tell its raining.

rant over

 

[piphoe]

One last thing, how can Trump live up to his campaign promises? He can't. He can't. he can't.

Huge defense spending, huge infrastructure, huge police state, better affordable healthcare, AND lower taxes, and DEFICIT ahah ahaha

oh, and the BILLION DOLLAR WALL

 

[piphoe]

let's talk about a physical wall at the border in 21st century! a physical wall between nations? are you serious?

as citizens of that nation, are you "walled" in, or out? a wall keeps as much in as out.

I would ask US citizens, do you really think isolated from rest of World is in your best interest?

who is in and who is really out witha WALLsigh

 

[Atilla]

I'm not going to get into a prolonged discussion about deterrence and not being strong enough to dissuade peace loving Putin's invasion of Crimea and Ukraine and his pressure on the Baltic states and others. Obama created the openings for Putin with his withdrawal from the world and his failed re-focus on the Pacific Rim. Obama was a charming but useless President, only surpassed in ineptitude by the peanut farmer.
International bullies don't pick on people who are strong. Yes, I know the US has made many bad mistakes, many indefensible, but I'd rather live in the US than in any other country except England. And certainly not in Russia !
Who is a threat to our freedom? Not the US !
Strength deters aggression. That's not war mongering, that's plain common sense.
And some of us do think, actually.
Though we might not agree, it's safe to do so, unlike in Russia, China and many other places.
I just wish they hadn't picked Trump though I admit Hillary wasn't the best of candidates

So can you remind me again what US warships doing in Black Sea again please?