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No problem Julian - would be good to hear the results of your testing.

Just got stopped out -12 pips on the Eur/Nzd trade. It does look like it may resume its climb north but its a bit late in the day now for me to be initiating new positions - volume tends to drop off from now on. And the spread on Eur/Nzd is wide enough at the best of times. I will call it a day.

Good trading

Nigel
 
New question, if the 4Hr 60ma is trending down, the 1Hr 60ma is trending up (slightly) and the 5min 60ma is trending down AND the price action is below the 60ma on all three then is that a signal to enter a short trade? Or do all three Ma's need to be trending in the same direction as well? (Look at GBPJPY at the end of the 28th September for an example of all 3 TF's doing this).

Appreciate any views on this.
 
Hi Julian, in my trading I view the 4hr moving average to be the most important. If you're just starting out, I would recommend only trading long when the 4hr MA is clearly pointing up, short only when 4hr MA is pointing down. This puts the odds in your favour. I dont really place huge importance on the direction of the 1hr or 5 min MA, i just observe where price is in relation to them.

I'm out for the day but will have a look at GBP.JPY later if you want.

Nigel
 
New question, if the 4Hr 60ma is trending down, the 1Hr 60ma is trending up (slightly) and the 5min 60ma is trending down AND the price action is below the 60ma on all three then is that a signal to enter a short trade? Or do all three Ma's need to be trending in the same direction as well? (Look at GBPJPY at the end of the 28th September for an example of all 3 TF's doing this).

Appreciate any views on this.


I've had a look at the GBPJPY chart for 28th September.

The orange dotted lines denote the start and finish of the day (GMT-1)

In summary I would call this trade quite aggressive in that it price has only just crossed both the 4hr and 1hr MAs but it is a valid trade in my view. It reversed in the end but the potential risk v reward was very good.

If you did this GBYJPY trade over and over again you would only need 1 out of every 5 trades to be successful, at the ratios I show on the last chart, to be making serious money. Entering with the trend makes this ratio very achievable.

The house edge in casino blackjack is less than 1% in many instances (depending on the rules). Casinos make oceans of money just exploiting that tiny edge 24hrs a day.

Trading is exactly the same. The edge in the 3 ducks is entering in the direction with the medium term trend i.e. price is more likely to continue in the direction it is going than it is to reverse (Newton's Law, etc.) I'm fairly sure Andy did a post on this topic somewhere in this thread - I remember it showed how with positive risk v reward you can have plenty of losers in a row and still make good money. You just need to accept the mathematical inevitability of this and then you can be on your way.

Good trading

Nigel
 

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Thanks very much Nigel for your comprehensive reply.

I spent a lot of today looking but didn't see anything half decent so maybe tomorrow will be better....I'll post any trades I take.
 
Nigel, sorry for butting in, but as you seem to be in a sharing mood... :D

If you did this GBYJPY trade over and over again you would only need 1 out of every 5 trades to be successful, at the ratios I show on the last chart, to be making serious money. Entering with the trend makes this ratio very achievable.

In this context, could I possibly get your thoughts on your S/L strategy? If you do not wish to share this, I understand.


Re. 5-mins previous low: As this seems to be very 'fluently' defined, I wonder if I could get your thoughts on this one too? Would you define it as the five min. low for that day, or do you have a set percentage for lows and high?
(I shall assume that the low is under the MA... this will naturally be the case in most cases, but it could be above, at least theoretically, I suppose.)
For instance, if you look at your 5-min. chart in your post above. why not the 'lesser' low above, following in the cluster right after?


Thanks in advance for any insights you feel like giving out - assuming you have the time, of course.

Cheers!
CJ
 
Nigel, sorry for butting in, but as you seem to be in a sharing mood... :D



In this context, could I possibly get your thoughts on your S/L strategy? If you do not wish to share this, I understand.


Re. 5-mins previous low: As this seems to be very 'fluently' defined, I wonder if I could get your thoughts on this one too? Would you define it as the five min. low for that day, or do you have a set percentage for lows and high?
(I shall assume that the low is under the MA... this will naturally be the case in most cases, but it could be above, at least theoretically, I suppose.)
For instance, if you look at your 5-min. chart in your post above. why not the 'lesser' low above, following in the cluster right after?


Thanks in advance for any insights you feel like giving out - assuming you have the time, of course.

Cheers!
CJ

Hi Jyde

I'm happy to share any knowledge I have accumulated about trading, none of it is any big secret!

My view is that the 3 ducks is a lot to do with the trader's own discretion. Obviously not all 3 ducks trades are created equal. So a good deal of practice and screen time is required to become comfortable with what works best for you.

As long as price is above/below all 3 MAs when a trade is entered it's a valid entry. Outside of that rule, there's no right or wrong, so I'm not going to tell you where you should put a stop or a take profit or whatever. However I can tell you what I look at.

Disclaimer: This is just a description of what I do; I'm not advising anyone to adopt this approach and I'm not saying that this is better or worse than any other way someone else might trade!

1. In terms of stop losses, I don't really start out with any specific level in mind. Paramount in my mind when sitting down to take any trade, 3 ducks or not, is to keep my losses to an absolute minimum if price goes against me, and when price goes for me, to milk it as much as I can. I am lucky in that I trade in front of the screen so I can monitor price in real time. I have attached a chart that tries to explain where I would get out of a trade that was going against me.

2. In terms of previous low/high to be used as entry points - I am not an expert in the market but I believe the following to be true:

Take for instance you are looking to sell EurUsd as the trend is down on 4hr chart. There will be some people who are seeking to pick a bottom on the EurUsd who are looking to buy. They will pick a low on the chart under which to put their stop losses for their buy trades.

These stop losses are essentially more sell orders, which, when triggered, accelerate price to the downside. That's what happens when you get good 3 ducks trades which just charge forward into your direction. It is our job to try to identify a place that is obvious for most people who are looking at the chart; a point where buyers will likely throw in the towel and more sellers will charging come in.

This point will generally be on a higher timeframe that the 5 minute. I think the 1 hour is a good compromise, simply because more traders will be looking at the 1 hr chart than the 5 min. You want to ride on the back of these other traders.

As regards your question re my previous example, the annotated chart shows that the low of that cluster would still be above the 1 hr MA so it wouldn't be a 3 ducks trade.

Yes, theoretically the previous low could be either above or below the MA - what matters is whether price is above/below the MA when it breaks it.

Again, as I have said, all of this is up to the individual trader. Providing that price is below/above all three MAs is a matter of personal discretion. But the above is what works for me! I hope this has gone some way to answering your question.

Good trading

Nigel
 

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Nigel, thank you very much for your thoughts, I appreciate you taking the time to respond! Also, thanks for uploading charts, makes it clearer.

Thank you again, most helpful.
Cheers!
CJ
 
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I've had a look at the GBPJPY chart for 28th September.

The orange dotted lines denote the start and finish of the day (GMT-1)

In summary I would call this trade quite aggressive in that it price has only just crossed both the 4hr and 1hr MAs but it is a valid trade in my view. It reversed in the end but the potential risk v reward was very good.

If you did this GBYJPY trade over and over again you would only need 1 out of every 5 trades to be successful, at the ratios I show on the last chart, to be making serious money. Entering with the trend makes this ratio very achievable.

The house edge in casino blackjack is less than 1% in many instances (depending on the rules). Casinos make oceans of money just exploiting that tiny edge 24hrs a day.

Trading is exactly the same. The edge in the 3 ducks is entering in the direction with the medium term trend i.e. price is more likely to continue in the direction it is going than it is to reverse (Newton's Law, etc.) I'm fairly sure Andy did a post on this topic somewhere in this thread - I remember it showed how with positive risk v reward you can have plenty of losers in a row and still make good money. You just need to accept the mathematical inevitability of this and then you can be on your way.

Good trading

Nigel
Good evening Nigel. Many thanx for this informative/helpful post.
I see from your sig that you have not been a member for very long yet you seem to have '3 ducks' sussed. Have you done the 1 on 1 course.
Thanx
David
 
Good evening Nigel. Many thanx for this informative/helpful post.
I see from your sig that you have not been a member for very long yet you seem to have '3 ducks' sussed. Have you done the 1 on 1 course.
Thanx
David

Hi David
Yeah I haven't been a member here very long. I've been active in the markets for years though, at first not very seriously, but over time it has become my full time occupation.

Yes I have done the one on one course with Andy, must be nearly 2 years ago now. I have to say that Andy is a great teacher and I'd heartily recommend it.

But if I was to make a general point to traders that I wish someone said to me a long time ago I would say this: it doesn't matter what the course is that you do, the books you buy, how much you spend, what mentor you have, any of that stuff. The single bottom line is that it takes a lot of feckin work. Simple as that.

Trading is an unusual endeavour in that it seems to attract people who think there is a direct chain of causation between paying for education and some automatic measure of success/profitability. When I was a bit younger I spent years of my time and a lot of money (debt) to qualify as a lawyer. Once i started working I realised that I wasn't very good at it. Did I call the university I went to a scam and a thief?

Education only goes so far. It requires hard work, dedication, aptitude, discipline, etc, to be successful at anything. Trading is the same. But with the the time and effort, it is possible to learn how to trade. Once you do that, you will realise that the system (3 ducks, pin bar entries, correlation, high leverage/low leverage, indicators, fundamentals, etc) is very much a small part of the overall equation.

But yes, if you are serious about trading, you get the logic behind the 3 ducks, and you are prepared to put in the hard yards afterwards, I would certainly recommend the 1 on 1 course.

Good trading

Nigel
 
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Nigel, again many thanks for your posts/reply.
I am booked in for a 1 on 1 in a couple of weeks. I have been immersing myself in this thread to get a general feel.
As I work days (GMT) I try to monitor charts using iphone then, after work, on the laptop.
Another question if I may, to Nigel et-al;
From reading this thread it seems that most trades 'appear' early morn' GMT. Does anyone know if 3ducks will work at other times, what has been your experiences?
Many thanks
 
Nigel, again many thanks for your posts/reply.
I am booked in for a 1 on 1 in a couple of weeks. I have been immersing myself in this thread to get a general feel.
As I work days (GMT) I try to monitor charts using iphone then, after work, on the laptop.
Another question if I may, to Nigel et-al;
From reading this thread it seems that most trades 'appear' early morn' GMT. Does anyone know if 3ducks will work at other times, what has been your experiences?
Many thanks

Hi Denman I think Andy suggests trading during the London session when liquidity is usually good. That said, 3 ducks set ups can occur at any time during the day. During the asian session for instance, the aud/nzd/jpy pairs can move fairly well. For me, if I was using limit entries I would stick to the London session; if you are in front of the screen you can assess for yourself if price is moving with nice momentum (I would enter) or is just crawling around with no momentum (I wouldn't enter).

But practice and see what works best for you. And keep good records of your trades so you can review your success % during whichever trading session.

As far as 3 duck setups go I am seeing very little of interest to me this week so far. Half the battle is knowing when to stay out. No position is still a position.

Good trading

Nigel
 
Captain Currency says

I Hope This Helps You.

Here Is My Current View On Some Currency Pairs Using The 3 Ducks Trading System.

October 20th 2011 at approx 1:35pm Dublin Time

Eur.Usd
– I would be looking for buying opportunities when my 3 ducks line up :)

Gbp.Usd – I would be looking for buying opportunities when my 3 ducks line up :)

Eur.Gbp – I am slightly more Euro bullish at the moment and I would be looking for buying opportunities when my 3 ducks line up ;)

Usd.Chf – I would be looking for selling opportunities when my 3 ducks line up :)

Aud.Usd – I would be looking for buying opportunities when my 3 ducks line up :)

Usd.Cad – I would be looking for selling opportunities when my 3 ducks line up :)

Usd.Jpy – A bit 50/50 at the moment and not a currency pair I would be looking to trade today :devilish:

Eur.Jpy – I would be looking for buying opportunities when my 3 ducks line up :)


Hope that helps you, Keep it Simple, Keep it Logical, Keep Control, Keep Focus!



Best wishes with your trading,
Andy



These are not trade recommendations. The 3 Duck’s Trading System is best used as a set of guidelines with discretion in addition with your own market analysis and trading ideas.
 
Hi

Just a quick update on a potential 3 ducks EUR.USD trade that might play out over the next few days.

This is what I would like to see happen. If it plays out roughly as I anticipate I will make sure to bag a lot of pips. If my trades work out as I anticipate I trade aggressively, opening a number of positions as price moves in my direction. Andy has spoken about this strategy before.

If the trade doesn't play out as I hope I will either lose a few pips or maybe none at all. If it reverses and continues to the upside, I will stand aside and look for the next good opportunity. If it continues to the downside, frankly looking at the charts I see no reason why this couldn't easily be a 500 pip trade, perhaps more.

Put yourself in a position to make much more if you are right than you stand to lose if you are wrong. That's the name of the game.

Good trading
 

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Good morning Nigel. Many thanx for your reply re trading times.
I did the 1 to 1 course last tues'. I managed to take +74, so I am very pleased.
I must say that Ithoroughly enjoyed the course and deem it money well spent.
Goog luck with that trade by the way!(y)
 
Good morning Nigel. Many thanx for your reply re trading times.
I did the 1 to 1 course last tues'. I managed to take +74, so I am very pleased.
I must say that Ithoroughly enjoyed the course and deem it money well spent.
Goog luck with that trade by the way!(y)

Good stuff, glad to hear you enjoyed the course. I hope it helps you in your trading. Like anything, just practice identifying good setups and only trade the ones that look compelling.

Yes my EUR.USD trade setup seems to be going exactly to plan this morning with a nice push down in the direction of the 4hr trend. Nice way to start the week!
 
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Hi, just a quick update on the potential EUR.USD trade I posted on Friday. As you can see, price has acted pretty much exactly as I anticipated, albeit it went a little bit higher on Friday, most likely due to the thin holiday liquidity in the US session.

Price seems to be thinking about putting in a low on the one hour chart which I have indicated on the chart attached with the blue line (its not a low just yet, as price hasn't reversed, it just looks like it might be stalling). Additional support comes in at the 1.36 level marked in green.

It will be on a break of these levels that I will be looking to commence shorting the market. This is just an indication as to my analysis regarding this pair and not a recommendation for anyone to follow. I monitor the market in real time and such may decide not to trade, depending on market conditions.

Good trading.
 

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Hi not sure if anyone is actually reading this thread but if there is, I won't be entering on break of 1.36 today. London is closed and the pair already moved nearly 200 pips since this morning, makes a retrace likely.

Good trading.
 
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