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Thanks Tom,

Considering getting one of these to have a read. If not anything else.. at least to satisfy myself on what the heck it is :LOL:

- Trade Stocks and Commodities with the Insiders: Secrets of the COT Report (Wiley Trading) (Hardcover) by Larry Williams (Author)

- The Commitments of Traders Bible: How To Profit from Insider Market Intelligence (Wiley Trading) (Hardcover) by Stephen Briese (Author)


If anyone has read these.. could you please let me know which is better?

Cheers
Chill


Hi Chill,

In terms of significance it tells you how traders are placed (long, short) in a particular market and can be used to judge extremes in sentiment. I think the helpfulness of the COT report depends on the trader and their style.

I am not sure about big trading firms but as far as I know prop houses don't have specialists reading this kind of data. Two reasons for that:

a) We all do our own thing
b) It is relatively easy to read and understand yourself if you know what you are looking for. There is lots of free help on the web about it

I personally don't rely on it but look at it from time to time.
 
I was wondering whether it meant a trailed stop to break-even, purely on a monetary basis.

On the basis that the market doesn't respect where you entered, doesn't it make sense to take the approach of always having the stop in a technical position?

Surley it's better to have a 30% chance of losing 0.5 if it rises again, rather than a 100% chance of being breakeven?

If price starts moving in my direction for a reasonable amount I move my stop to BE. I'd rather re-enter at a better price than have the chance of taking a loss. Sure, I have a lot of breakevens, but over the long run I am pretty sure that trading this style of trading will provide a continuously rising equity curve.

You must also take into consideration that I moved to my stop to breakeven at a point where some people would have already taken profits. I see no technical nor monetary argument for having a profit turn into a loss. The argument that a "potential" bigger profit lies around the corner is invalid, because if you need to get a loss first, it means you're entry wasn't right in the first place. And if it's not, that means the market will provide a better opportunity to get it right the second time.

Have to agree with Joey here. Technical stops are always the best. Too many people rush their stop to break even so that it is a "free" trade which I think is possibly one of the biggest mistakes you can make.

Let's talk practical, would you rather have: -50, +300 or 0/0/0/0/+300? Sure, it might take me more time and sure you might need to re-enter, but I'd rather protect my account from an unnecessary loss.

But in defence of FW, since his theoretical entry is so tight, a breakeven stop makes sense because if the market comes all the way back up there, the probability is highely likely the trade will be wrong as the market is not acting "right".

Yes, indeed. Take the GBP/JPY short, had the market come back up to 129.50 and than plunged to 126 you would've had to let a profit of +100 pips turn into a loss, only to gain more. While I would've made those +100 on a scale out, turned the rest to BE and re-entered to get +300.

It really depends on your entry. If you enter AT a resistance and the market comes off sharply from it, then a breakeven makes more sense because you wouldn't want to be in if the market comes back there.

If you enter 50 ticks later, after a resistance has been confirmed and the market then continues to come off for a bit, then a breakeven stop makes no sense because going offside (losing money) means nothing. You are not wrong until the resistance is broken.

Indeed. If you enter late, and move to BE, it's a recipe for getting stopped out. That's why I was pointing out that there was little reason to wait 4 hours because by then the trade had already gone...

I'm not here to make my case, if you enter differently, you need to adjust your stops & targets accordingly. I was only illustrating that there is little need to take a loss when the market offers you a profit.
 
GBP/USD Mar09

What's appealing about this style of trading is there's a big margin for error.

Didn't take the trade, because I couldn't see a horizontal pivot level it was leaning on, however, still a successful setup (probably targetting the hourly supply line).

Looking for a reaction in the zone marked by the red lines.
 

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Missed the trade. I like to get in them with a stop of 5. I hope this hit 14243 then i'm going to sell and hold (for once in my life...)

COMON head and shoulders. Whatcha guys think!?!
 

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Missed the trade. I like to get in them with a stop of 5. I hope this hit 14243 then i'm going to sell and hold (for once in my life...)

COMON head and shoulders. Whatcha guys think!?!

trying to work out the price difference between the spot and the futures lol!
 
I'm not here to make my case, if you enter differently, you need to adjust your stops & targets accordingly. I was only illustrating that there is little need to take a loss when the market offers you a profit.

Agreed FW but, again, a lot of people on this thread are trading pins. By the nature of them this means you get in a little late and in addition many of these people do not have the time (whilst working or doing other things) to get the best price which requires watching the market closely.

Again, I appreciate what you are saying because it is now what I do BUT for those trading pins, please let me reiterate:

DO NOT MOVE YOUR STOPS TO BREAKEVEN:

BE PREPARED TO LET A PROFIT TURN INTO A LOSS if you see no reason to exit but monetary concerns.

So to repeat one more time as its so important: Do not protect yourself unless price gives you a sign it is turning against you such as another reversal candle at a strong level etc on the timeframe you entered.

I don't know how FW trades but I have been trading these pins for a long time now and believe me I am qualified to advise this without a shadow of a doubt.

Take a look at these chart examples for further clarification of how a break even stop usually gets nailed to the tick before the market then comes off. In all cases the entry (and breakeven) is marked by the purple line.
 

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Eurgbp falling, technicals (it broke the down trending channel). Don't know if gilt auctions effects it but i think it does...

Should have gone with the flow but i've made around 60 pips counter trending, just need it to hit that big ol' round number for a good position.
 
Entering on 38-50% retrace of Pin can avoid a lot of stopouts. you've got to be quick though and in the UK as the pin closes at midnight this could happen in the early hours ?
 
well i shorted cable. tightish stop. currently making 22 pips. lets see....
 

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I know some traders do this but problem is if the pin retraces slightly there is a higher risk it will break.
 
well i shorted cable. tightish stop. currently making 22 pips. lets see....

See screenshot,

The only other potential sbr/resistance factor I could spot there was the Dly H3 cam pivot, (a minor factor) the H3 and L3 camarilla pivots being the 'break or bounce' ones.

Strong recovery off the 5-30min HL though.

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or... you could have looked at the 240m for the resistance, the 60m for the trend and then the 15m for fine tuning with rejection and you'd be profiting from the drop and the rise! (GBPJPY). Nice tight stops then too.
 

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Gbpusd up move

The HL was present 5, 15min and 30min and thrust (implying momentum) candles closed above the last LH of the then 5-30min downtrends, and in the 1hr too....perhaps the 2 factors (HL and thrust plus reports of bank buying) was a clue??


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when trading Daily charts in the UK, do you need to place your orders after 12am when the candle closes ? I work early so can't be up at this time !
 
GBP/USD Mar09

Looking for a reaction in the zone marked by the red lines.

I do get disheartened sometimes posting potential setups that don't come to fruition, but anyway...

3-touch resistance line has been established with the close of the last hourly candle. I'm hoping the 13:00pm candle will form a swing high, and possibly an inside bar.
 

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