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No, Loser. I'm implying hwo wonderful it can be for you. It is not about me. I have to be your efferescent role model. Now, if you want to clean your mind up and pay closer attention, I promise to put some pips in your pocket.


do you really think he is going to spill the beans? all he has done until now is offload how wonderful he is and useless the world is, how he manages to consistently pull money out of a market that is part speculation\part business. The fact he pulls out 10+ percent per trade tells a story of large risk however it doesn't seem that he uses stops regularly leading to the potential account destroying trade which is inevitable since his ego is so big he wont be able to deal with that situation when it comes.
 
MH, you're one of my favorite combattants from times past--lol.
If I ever understand someone who is skeptical it would be you. We have had that mutual understanding (BTW, you did see, as predicted, EUR/CHF found its way to my minimum objective of 1.3400.), and I believe the sincerest of respects.

This will be thread to shine at. I will go into great detail in understanding trends, how to see when they are extended, and how to make lots of pips. Septical? I expect everyone to be, except the ones on this thread that have known me the last 3+ years. When it's all said and done, there will be no more skeptibility. I will be loved or laughed to scorn. The latter I will not let happen.

Thanks for being patient, and now it is time for it to pay off. Watch for the next wonderful nugget tomorrow.



4x, I am happy to give you the benefit of doubt, you know that... I am extremely skeptical, which you're also aware of. However, like others here, I would appreciate a bit more clarity and focus in your posts. I think it would make things a lot easier and I'd be the first to admit that my skepticism was unfounded.

So in the interest of clarity, what say you to a suggestion that we make things a bit more understandable? I propose that we separate your longer methodology/descriptive posts from the actual trade recommendations/forecasts posts. This way I can understand what's going on a lot better.
 
Thanks, Hoggums. I was just addressing the comments. As I told Martinghoul, the next nugget is coming tomorrow, and this thread will be flooded by great concrete and evidential information.


If you want to stop all of the criticism, then post some live calls, followed by your reasoning and method, then we can all judge for ourselves.

I'm with Martinghoul, I'm willing to hear you out, but skeptical.
 
The objective data is coming in the brightest of lights.

Understand that this whole thread got sidetracked. I'm sorry it did. It won't happen anymore.


For myself 4x, what I meant was that 28% on a single trade might be good or it might be rubbish. It sounds good subjectively (in fact it sounds excellent), but the only objective information in the market is price. You would portray a stronger picture of your abilities if you stick to objective data.
 
I'm not going over it again. Stay tuned for my nuggets. Grab your portion, and you can make a mint.


OK so three simple questions for you:

1. How much of your total trading capital do you risk on each trade?

2. What is the maximum drawdown you have experienced as a percentage of your trading acount plus reserve funds?

3. What is your average gain in percentage terms per month of your trading account plus your reserve funds?

And incidentally I'm quite happy with the money I am making since you mention it. I make between 30 and 60% per year on a six figure account risking one percent per trade.
 
Here we go again. I can tell you that 4xpip is not selling anything. He is merely trying to help others (like yourself) make some money trading. I may not agree with everthing he says and especially his use of stops or rather lack of it, but you know what?, he's having a go and putting himself out there - and all power to him..

However, as usual a good 2/3 of your latest negative rant is thinly disguised as being about me and my live trades blog et al. As usual though, it reveals much more about yourself than explains the actions or intentions of others.

I've finished trading for the day and the week and this is my relax time, my fun time and one of my favourite sports is winding you up. And my God, don't you just deserve it.

I am "selling something". I have Vendor's badge. I trade for my retirement which I require to be extremely comfortable and in the meanwhile I work for a living doing amongst other things teaching trading. I have never taught a "newbie" only usually people with 3 -6 years experience. I do not sell signals. So sue me. Get over it - and for God's sake man - get a life! Who gives a sh*t? Well obviously you for one - again and again and again...

I know that you also think of yourself as some kind of Marketing wiz and SEO specialist with your 50k hits per day etc etc and this is currently your main claim to fame. But let me tell you, that there are are others here who have been there too and are wearing the T shirt. In 1998 I discovered that by registering a domain name with dashes in between generic words, it would probably get to No 1 in Yahoo (no Google then) for my chosen business at the time. It did and the entire World beat a path to my door to register their domain names through my Company. You were probably in the 6th form listening to some angsty twaddle at the time.. And when I was placing trades with my broker in 1978, you probably weren't even born.. And by the way if you were listening to Oasis, as the aformentioned angsty twaddle, then that first album was recorded in my Studio in between the two brothers kicking the sh*t out of each other every day.

4xpipx reminds me of when I used to trade oil about 10 years ago without a stop. One week I would make 5000k, the next I would lose 3.5k until eventually I lost 1/2 my account once in just 20 mins. After that I started using stops. But what the hell, hes a great Trader, we need more like him here as an antidote to people like you.

Below is the Traders Mantra filched I think from a post by Meanrevision who nicked it from somewhere else on the Internet. All of us will recognise ourslelves here. The question is which number are you?

38 steps to becoming a trader --

1. We accumulate information - buying books, going to seminars and researching.
2. We begin to trade with our 'new' knowledge.
3. We consistently 'donate' and then realize we may need more knowledge or information.
4. We accumulate more information.
5. We switch the commodities we are currently following.
6. We go back into the market and trade with our 'updated' knowledge.
7. We get 'beat up' again and begin to lose some of our confidence.

Fear starts setting in.

8. We start to listen to 'outside news' and to other traders.
9. We go back into the market and continue to 'donate'.
10. We switch commodities again.
11. We search for more information.
12. We go back into the market and start to see a little progress.
13. We get 'over-confident' and the market humbles us.
14. We start to understand that trading successfully is going to take more time and more knowledge than we anticipated.

Most people will give up at this point, as they realize work is involved.

15. We get serious and start concentrating on learning a 'real' methodology.
16. We trade our methodology with some success, but realize that something is missing.
17. We begin to understand the need for having rules to apply our methodology.
18. We take a sabbatical from trading to develop and research our trading rules.
19. We start trading again, this time with rules and find some success, but over all we still hesitate when it comes time to execute.
20. We add, subtract and modify rules as we see a need to be more proficient with our rules.
21. We feel we are very close to crossing that threshold of successful trading.
22. We start to take responsibility for our trading results as we understand that our success is in us, not the methodology.
23. We continue to trade and become more proficient with our methodology and our rules.
24. As we trade we still have a tendency to violate our rules and our results are still erratic.
25. We know we are close.
26. We go back and research our rules.
27. We build the confidence in our rules and go back into the market and trade.
28. Our trading results are getting better, but we are still hesitating in executing our rules.
29. We now see the importance of following our rules as we see the results of our trades when we don't follow the rules.
30. We begin to see that our lack of success is within us (a lack of discipline in following the rules because of some kind of fear), and we begin to work on knowing ourselves better.
31. We continue to trade and the market teaches us more and more about ourselves.
32. We master our methodology and our trading rules.
33. We begin to consistently make money.
34. We get a little over-confident and the market humbles us.
35. We continue to learn our lessons.
36. We stop thinking and allow our rules to trade for us (trading becomes boring, but successful) and our trading account continues to grow as we increase our contract size.
37. We are making more money than we ever dreamed possible.
38. We go on with our lives and accomplish many of the goals we had always dreamed of.

Change your name to Walking Eagle. Thanks... :)
 
WT, you are also a proven winner. That is why I referred your thread. This is about helping people to be successful. You do not pretend to hide the fact you are a vendor, but you also produce the credentials with it.

Our styles of trading do not xmoe close to imaging each other. That is another reason I refer people your way. They need to see the other side, not just mine.

You're right. I have done my share of ranting. That's because of my passion. Now, it's my passion for what I am going to accomplish with this thread. I also have a passion for being associated with great traders. Thank-you!


Here we go again. I can tell you that 4xpip is not selling anything. He is merely trying to help others (like yourself) make some money trading. I may not agree with everthing he says and especially his use of stops or rather lack of it, but you know what?, he's having a go and putting himself out there - and all power to him..

However, as usual a good 2/3 of your latest negative rant is thinly disguised as being about me and my live trades blog et al. As usual though, it reveals much more about yourself than explains the actions or intentions of others.

I've finished trading for the day and the week and this is my relax time, my fun time and one of my favourite sports is winding you up. And my God, don't you just deserve it.

I am "selling something". I have Vendor's badge. I trade for my retirement which I require to be extremely comfortable and in the meanwhile I work for a living doing amongst other things teaching trading. I have never taught a "newbie" only usually people with 3 -6 years experience. I do not sell signals. So sue me. Get over it - and for God's sake man - get a life! Who gives a sh*t? Well obviously you for one - again and again and again...

I know that you also think of yourself as some kind of Marketing wiz and SEO specialist with your 50k hits per day etc etc and this is currently your main claim to fame. But let me tell you, that there are are others here who have been there too and are wearing the T shirt. In 1998 I discovered that by registering a domain name with dashes in between generic words, it would probably get to No 1 in Yahoo (no Google then) for my chosen business at the time. It did and the entire World beat a path to my door to register their domain names through my Company. You were probably in the 6th form listening to some angsty twaddle at the time.. And when I was placing trades with my broker in 1978, you probably weren't even born.. And by the way if you were listening to Oasis, as the aformentioned angsty twaddle, then that first album was recorded in my Studio in between the two brothers kicking the sh*t out of each other every day.

4xpipx reminds me of when I used to trade oil about 10 years ago without a stop. One week I would make 5000k, the next I would lose 3.5k until eventually I lost 1/2 my account once in just 20 mins. After that I started using stops. But what the hell, hes a great Trader, we need more like him here as an antidote to people like you.

Below is the Traders Mantra filched I think from a post by Meanrevision who nicked it from somewhere else on the Internet. All of us will recognise ourslelves here. The question is which number are you?

38 steps to becoming a trader --

1. We accumulate information - buying books, going to seminars and researching.
2. We begin to trade with our 'new' knowledge.
3. We consistently 'donate' and then realize we may need more knowledge or information.
4. We accumulate more information.
5. We switch the commodities we are currently following.
6. We go back into the market and trade with our 'updated' knowledge.
7. We get 'beat up' again and begin to lose some of our confidence.

Fear starts setting in.

8. We start to listen to 'outside news' and to other traders.
9. We go back into the market and continue to 'donate'.
10. We switch commodities again.
11. We search for more information.
12. We go back into the market and start to see a little progress.
13. We get 'over-confident' and the market humbles us.
14. We start to understand that trading successfully is going to take more time and more knowledge than we anticipated.

Most people will give up at this point, as they realize work is involved.

15. We get serious and start concentrating on learning a 'real' methodology.
16. We trade our methodology with some success, but realize that something is missing.
17. We begin to understand the need for having rules to apply our methodology.
18. We take a sabbatical from trading to develop and research our trading rules.
19. We start trading again, this time with rules and find some success, but over all we still hesitate when it comes time to execute.
20. We add, subtract and modify rules as we see a need to be more proficient with our rules.
21. We feel we are very close to crossing that threshold of successful trading.
22. We start to take responsibility for our trading results as we understand that our success is in us, not the methodology.
23. We continue to trade and become more proficient with our methodology and our rules.
24. As we trade we still have a tendency to violate our rules and our results are still erratic.
25. We know we are close.
26. We go back and research our rules.
27. We build the confidence in our rules and go back into the market and trade.
28. Our trading results are getting better, but we are still hesitating in executing our rules.
29. We now see the importance of following our rules as we see the results of our trades when we don't follow the rules.
30. We begin to see that our lack of success is within us (a lack of discipline in following the rules because of some kind of fear), and we begin to work on knowing ourselves better.
31. We continue to trade and the market teaches us more and more about ourselves.
32. We master our methodology and our trading rules.
33. We begin to consistently make money.
34. We get a little over-confident and the market humbles us.
35. We continue to learn our lessons.
36. We stop thinking and allow our rules to trade for us (trading becomes boring, but successful) and our trading account continues to grow as we increase our contract size.
37. We are making more money than we ever dreamed possible.
38. We go on with our lives and accomplish many of the goals we had always dreamed of.
 
We will. I promise.


Enough drama everyone - can we just get on with it, or not, as the case may be.

All those who have read the first few (tens of!) pages now undertand the risk in the mm aspect of this strategy.

(i) One really bad trade and the account could be bust.

(ii) OP states he has never experienced this, although he has experienced significant drawdowns which finally resulted in some gain.

(iii) OP's past performance (to the extent it is accurate) is no guarantee of his future returns (i.e. it is always possible that he could experience the one really bad trade which wipes out his account, although for his sake I hope this never happens).

We get it. Debate over. Lesson Learned. No need to rehash. Let us move on.

Thank you.
 
So are you going to post calls in here or your other thread, and show that you are gaining 100% a month or whatever? And then also post some tips on how to trade your way?

Because it is 19 pages in, and there is nothing here. Perhaps a new thread with your calls to get 100%, because this one is already getting a bit cluttered, and nobody wants to read through all of this I imagine. Just my humble opinion.
 
MH, you're one of my favorite combattants from times past--lol.
If I ever understand someone who is skeptical it would be you. We have had that mutual understanding (BTW, you did see, as predicted, EUR/CHF found its way to my minimum objective of 1.3400.), and I believe the sincerest of respects.

This will be thread to shine at. I will go into great detail in understanding trends, how to see when they are extended, and how to make lots of pips. Septical? I expect everyone to be, except the ones on this thread that have known me the last 3+ years. When it's all said and done, there will be no more skeptibility. I will be loved or laughed to scorn. The latter I will not let happen.

Thanks for being patient, and now it is time for it to pay off. Watch for the next wonderful nugget tomorrow.
Great, 4x, I am truly looking forward to some meaningful discussion... And yes, I have noticed that EUR/CHF has now gone back, but trading on this basis is not for me. It's not an efficient use of my scarce capital (Sharpe ratio much too low). Moreover, if I were asked to justify the trade to my boss (which inevitably happens with drawdowns), he'd probably fire me on the spot. But I am always on the lookout for something new and educational, so I hope you can offer that here.

I would like to reiterate my request, though. It would be extremely helpful if we could have trade ideas labeled clearly, so that we can distinguish them from the other "nuggets". This way everyone knows which posts contain descriptions of general methodology (all the stuff about trends, etc) and which are specific trade ideas with sizes and targets (obv, without stops).

Also, just out of idle curiosity, are you familiar with a certain character who posted here as "TheExpert"?
 
Urgh, why must all threads end up like this? Is this a site full of adults or kids?

4x, I'm keen to hear what you have to say so please do continue because I think that what you have to say will be of great benefit to others.

The only thing I don't like so far is the leverage you use but that has nothing to do with me or anyone else so I don't understand why others see it as such a problem.

Your strategy in general seems very good and I have read a lot of your forecasts so please continue.

To others, honestly, I don't think he's trying to sell anything... His blog and thread here are full of information regarding his strategy with a tonne of forecasts - If he wanted to sell something he would be doing it by now I'm sure.

People will no doubt come along and say the title says 'how to make 100%' and he's doing it taking large risks... So what... Use 10x leverage and make 100% per year rather than per month.

Risk appetite is personal... Let 4x get on with it.
 
Change your name to Walking Eagle. Thanks... :)


That aside, and it pains me to say this, but I think I've got to come down on the BS side of this one.

At least he's not flogging anything (well, apart from a few dead horses, right BS? Arf arf.).

Is it only me, or can anyone else see an epic disaster looming down the road? Potential acolytes might wish to tread carefully, and think before they act.
 
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well its like the experts threads, convoluted garbage that never gets to the point.
 
well its like the experts threads, convoluted garbage that never gets to the point.

Ah, but what is the point (the real one I mean)? That I fear has yet to be revealed, but will be in time, I do not doubt.

Sadly, I must decline the many generous invitations to pick up "nuggets" from this thread. They appear to have pieces of sweetcorn in them.
 
Ah, but what is the point (the real one I mean)? That I fear has yet to be revealed, but will be in time, I do not doubt.

Sadly, I must decline the many generous invitations to pick up "nuggets" from this thread. They appear to have pieces of sweetcorn in them.

pigeons enjoy that stuff
 
Can we not just let 4x get on with it and see where it ends rather than making presumptions now?
 
well he has been promising nuggets for some time already and not a single one yet, feels like deja vu
 
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