Having an edge.

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Your analogy is extremely appropriate Rols and it confirms a conclusion I have come to about trading. Your friend could see all the separate pieces and in his minds eye he quickly ascertained that there is only one way they could come together in order to produce the intended result, which is a sofa/bed. That is what having an edge means.

The benefit of trading though is that there is more than one way that a great deal of people can get their bit from the market, unlike the analogy.

There are so many people with so many different edges on different timeframes and targets, yada yada yada.

It's just about using your own edge to obtain what you want
 
The benefit of trading though is that there is more than one way that a great deal of people can get their bit from the market, unlike the analogy.

There are so many people with so many different edges on different timeframes and targets, yada yada yada.

It's just about using your own edge to obtain what you want

Many successful people are the ones who get somebody else to do the work.

I think my analogy explained that concept quite clearly.
 
Are you asking or pretending to know? The retail side of the FX business is so incredibly dwarfed by professional money that I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that remark.

What's that got to do with trading?


Funny you should say that. I thought I was talking to professionals.
 
I am happy no one cares where I place my orders. I dont want to attract the kind of negative attention some SB'ers get!

The banks get most of there money from commissions and brokerage fees, so they are probably more interested in churning accounts. banks and brokerages get paid for each transaction, irrespective of whether you or I make money. ("Where are all the customers yachts?")

Bill Gates: he made his money from giving away a product for free by bundling, and then cornering the COMPUTER market. He too is more acting as a broker rather than a trader. He gets paid for each sale of XP, irrespective of whether you can use email or InternetExplorer. however, many people make money from eBay and the like; thats their COMPUTER edge.
You should more accurately mention Warren Buffet, or the numerous Market Wizards.

clearly this isnt going to be resolved, as each has their own interpretation of the markets, and their place in them, and trade accordingly.

my perspective is that I am taking a few crumbs from the tables of the big boys. I dont think of myself of competing with you. hence when others win, I perceive them as taking a bite from the big boys cake, not from me personally, and am happy for them.

I wish you a very profitable trading week.
hope you make money. honestly I do.
Nice sunny afternoon. have a cool drink in the garden, and watch the clouds go by.

As far as I know, Bill Gates didn't bundle his product free. He sold licences to IBM and other PC manufactures so they could sell PC's with MS-DOS installed. He took a %age of each PC sold whether it had MS-DOS installed or not. Anyway, that has nothing to do with trading.

Anyway, you seem to know precisely how the big boys trade, it makes me wonder why you don’t follow in their footsteps.
 
I would have thought a more pertinent issue would be “Having the Ability to Create Edges”.

An edge exists at a moment, or collection of moments in Time. It does not live forever. Neither does it mean when it goes it is gone forever either. Even those who stand solidly by such long supported and apparently solid edifices such as Elliot, Gann and Fibs can find times and instruments where their relative charms and potions ‘work’ better than others and where their knowledge of how to implement the minutiae of their results of their research into their chosen discipline to more effective outcomes over time yields better results than simply sticking to what they were doing with it perhaps even just a few months earlier. Edges are born, develop and grow from study, research, experience, immersion and usage in the markets. If any one edge existed long enough for it to be recognised generally as such, it would be gradually traded out and would therefore never have been recognised as such in the first pace – and they aren’t – ever.

The ability to keep discovering new edges is key, not the miserly hoarding of ones you might currently have.

To assume any one of us negatively impacts our trading profit potential by interacting with others on these boards is naivety at its Zenith. The markets work on aggregate and to personalise your losses in this way does you genuine harm and takes your focus off where it should be centred. It’s just you – and the market – not other individuals here or anywhere else.

You could, if you had one, share your ‘edge’ with the bods on this and every other board and all your friends and family and you know, or you should know, full well, the vast majority would not trade it the way you trade it and would suffer greater to lesser results than do you. Those that did trade it exactly as you do would soon tire of it, or modify it or in some way diminish its efficacy. See my point below regarding lack of focus and change.

As for the ‘90% fail’ stat (to be proven), that is unlikely to do with not having an edge, but more to do with not managing risk or managing money or calculating position size, or getting the direction or momentum wrong, or getting it right, but at the wrong time or selecting the wrong instruments in the wrong phase of the cycle or looking at too detailed a level for the selected trading timeframe or not keeping the big picture in mind and any combination of this and many other factors.

An edge need be nothing more glamorous than the trading of an established trend or a breakout or Support & Resistance confirmations. Not much of an edge, but with all those other bits & bobs mentioned above in hand, it’ll provide you with an income. So yes, some ‘edges’ do ‘withstand the test of time’. But more of an issue is the trader themselves – even with basic and winning setups like those above, is the real issue them standing stand the test of time or is it the failure of the trader themselves to do so – do they tend to change themselves over time and therefore induce change in their methods and systems and often negatively impact their edge themselves? I tend to feel this happens far more frequently than any market induced changes to edges.

In my view, it does make sense to share your information with others to the extent that their operation upon your research can lead to useful feedback into other areas which you might not have originally considered. There are many traders on here that appear to specialise in going off at tangents to the main topic and it’s often a delight to me to find I often end up in totally disparate areas to that initially discussed and which have yielded immense benefit on many occasions – and not necessarily in trading.

Basically, you get back big time what you put out – can’t be any other way - and that works for both good and bad. It’s been said elsewhere that the market mirrors ‘you’. The fact is, and far more importantly, you mirror ‘you’…

To take your advice to its logical conclusion, this site should not exist as its prime objective is the sharing of information and exchange of ideas. Given the current and general mode of operation though, you are safe. No one will ask you to yield your weighty secrets on the inner workings of the market, nor force you to yield your special edges that you appear to want to guard so closely. But they will continue to be quite happy to share with you the fruits of their thinking and research so that you may perhaps find that edge for yourself. Which is why I presume you are still here?

This is a very important post and should be read and inwardly digested, though I fear most will lose attention after the second paragraph.
 
if you want to have fun, please try to be civil to each other..... will you

you know the drill

thank you, and have a good evening ;)

With all due respect I think Socs and I are able to take care of ourselves without the wet nurse springing into action at every turn.

IMHO this kind of jobsworth, patronising and humourless moderation will be the death of this forum.
 
With all due respect I think Socs and I are able to take care of ourselves without the wet nurse springing into action at every turn.

IMHO this kind of jobsworth, patronising and humourless moderation will be the death of this forum.

and with all due respect to you, i have not patronised you (unless for some reason you think so), or have been humourless by the way ;) just the opposite.....

i am very sure you and Socrates can take care of yourselves quite well :p

i dont think what i have asked is unreasonable. requesting civil behaviour is not unreasonable, it is definitely not patronising, and not necessarily humourless.

actually, you can have fun and still be civil which is not a very difficult thing to do......actually, it requires a bit of witt ;)
 
and with all due respect to you, i have not patronised you (unless for some reason you think so), or have been humourless by the way ;) just the opposite.....

i am very sure you and Socrates can take care of yourselves quite well :p

i dont think what i have asked is unreasonable. requesting civil behaviour is not unreasonable, it is definitely not patronising, and not necessarily humourless.

actually, you can have fun and still be civil which is not a very difficult thing to do......actually, it requires a bit of witt ;)

I had a teacher at school once that made the whole class stay behind for an hour because somebody farted and we all laughed.

That was when I was nine.

We are not nine year olds now and you are not a prep school teacher.

If you think that comparing Socrates to a man farting in a lift is uncivil and unreasonable as opposed to off the cuff humour then there really is no hope.
 
I had a teacher at school once that made the whole class stay behind for an hour because somebody farted and we all laughed.

That was when I was nine.

We are not nine year olds now and you are not a prep school teacher.

If you think that comparing Socrates to a man farting in a lift is uncivil and unreasonable as opposed to off the cuff humour then there really is no hope.

well.....mmmmm.....im not a teacher, i didnt hear anyone fart, and i didnt ask you to wait for an hour ;) if you wish to keep waiting, its up to you :cheesy:
 
rols

You've been long enough on T2W to know how quickly things can degenerate into personal abuse to the detriment of threads and in breach of the guidelines. Jac has not deleted your comments, he has merely sounded a warning shot to nip the prospect of such degeneration in the bud. Not unreasonable, I think.

Cheers

jon
 
rols

You've been long enough on T2W to know how quickly things can degenerate into personal abuse to the detriment of threads and in breach of the guidelines. Jac has not deleted your comments, he has merely sounded a warning shot to nip the prospect of such degeneration in the bud. Not unreasonable, I think.

Cheers

jon

I disagree.

For that reason I, and I'm sure, others, will have no wish to continue subscribing to a forum where good humour and freedom of opinion are portrayed as subversive behavior.
 
I disagree.

For that reason I, and I'm sure, others, will have no wish to continue subscribing to a forum where good humour and freedom of opinion are portrayed as subversive behavior.

You seem to be showing an extraordinary lack of good humour right now, rols :)

We're with you, jacinto.

Db
 
You seem to be showing an extraordinary lack of good humour right now, rols :)

We're with you, jacinto.

Db

Who are "we" exactly ?

"We" is a Royal form of self address, befitting a monarch or head of state or suchlike.

Are you now implying you have some sort of Royal Connection by using the collective pronoun "we", or does it have some other meaning ?

The thing is...and returning to the topic of edges...as Agatha Christie used to say..."nearly everyone overlooks the significance of the obvious".
 
...And not to put too fine a point on it...

...the matter of having an edge and keeping it...is a singular prerogative and not a plural one...since the acquisition of an edge...( a major edge is permanent and a minor one temporary) is a matter of singular application and not a collective effort.

Its very nature of exclusivity and priviledge defines and qualifies it, enough said on that.

I forgot to add....

You cannot complain that I do not tell you everything.
 
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Who are "we" exactly ?

"We" is a Royal form of self address, befitting a monarch or head of state or suchlike.

Are you now implying you have some sort of Royal Connection by using the collective pronoun "we", or does it have some other meaning ?

Why, yes.
 
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