Capitalism

[Forexmospherian]

As long as you keep trolling, I will keep asking. How are pollution and capitalism related?

Hi hhiusa

Re underlined question

Please see link below

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sour...-8#q=how are pollution and capitalism related


Please read through the link and then please tell me why you disagree

There is only 8 million four hundred and 10 thousand comments on this subject - so many might be saying the same thing

If you can come back with over 9 million reasons why they are not linked - then maybe Atilla's comment are NOT clear cut

Till you have your answers - please don't bother going on about this subject in "devil advocates" mode - as its so tiring and just confirms how argumentative you are and why you so enjoy saying you are trying to have a serious debate - when really you are just a "wind up merchant " - par excellence!!!

Best Regards

F

 

[hhiusa]

Hi hhiusa

Re underlined question

Please see link below

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sour...-8#q=how are pollution and capitalism related

Please read through the link and then please tell me why you disagree

There is only 8 million four hundred and 10 thousand comments on this subject - so many might be saying the same thing

If you can come back with over 9 million reasons why they are not linked - then maybe Atilla's comment are NOT clear cut

Till you have your answers - please don't bother going on about this subject in "devil advocates" mode - as its so tiring and just confirms how argumentative you are and why you so enjoy saying you are trying to have a serious debate - when really you are just a "wind up merchant " - par excellence!!!

Best Regards

F

Stop expecting everyone else to do your work for you. You posted the search. You did not even post a single article.

Since you posted it, explain why it supports your statement. Posting a link to a search is the epitome of laziness.
:smart:

A serious debate involves you making non-fallacious statements and doing your own research.

By the way, you have a very pretty pictures thread. You should make a children's picture book.

 

[Forexmospherian]

Stop expecting everyone else to do your work for you. You posted the search. You did not even post a single article.

Since you posted it, explain why it supports your statement. Posting a link to a search is the epitome of laziness.
:smart:

A serious debate involves you making non-fallacious statements and doing your own research.

Hi hhiusa

Its so simple with Google - or any other great search engine - although this then may lead to a separate discussion with regards to US bias search engines

Links and comments - accepting a connection between Capitalism and Pollution

8 million and 410 thousand - approx

Links and comments disagreeing and saying no connection between Capitalism and Pollution -

Approx 454, 000 ie 454 thousand - approx 18 and half less links to support NO connection

Majorities like that normally rule

So Yes to the "i"s and NO to the "nays"

You lose .............. again

That's enough proof 18 + times more so called "experts" saying a link - compared to one so called "expert" who's being paid to try and dismiss the truths

Game over hhiusa

Just admit - the Brits win again

Regards


F

 

[Forexmospherian]

Forget to mention to hhiusa

Being considerably older - more mature and more worldly - I have more skill at being a "wind up merchant" than any young know it all newbie - like hhiusa

He's such a laugh - he had to go off subject and have a dig at my "pretty picture" trading thread

That again is the sign of a pathetic kid - trying to cause trouble - rather than having a true debate

Still its all good fun - so maybe I need to show him more of my "wind up skills " and see how long it takes him to lose it ;-)

In these discussions on this thread now its about Brits - 5 and USA - 0

Please hhiusa - find some more US guys to support your "ideas"

Good Luck

Best regards

F

 

[hhiusa]

Hi hhiusa

Its so simple with Google - or any other great search engine - although this then may lead to a separate discussion with regards to US bias search engines

Links and comments - accepting a connection between Capitalism and Pollution

8 million and 410 thousand - approx

Links and comments disagreeing and saying no connection between Capitalism and Pollution -

Approx 454, 000 ie 454 thousand - approx 18 and half less links to support NO connection

Irrelevant conclusion fallacy.

Where are sources for this information? What is amusing is that you think you have accomplished something here. You certainly have not explained anything.

Majorities like that normally rule

So Yes to the "i"s and NO to the "nays"

You lose .............. again

Irrevelant conclusion fallacy and ad hominem. :smart: Stating "you lose again" is not an argument. Why don't you let your arguments do the talking. Oh, wait, you have not posted any real arguments.

That's enough proof 18 + times more so called "experts" saying a link - compared to one so called "expert" who's being paid to try and dismiss the truths

Game over hhiusa

Just admit - the Brits win again

Regards

F

This is so amusing. You still have not provided any evidence. If you are so worldly and mature, why are you posting irrelevant things. Your posts are tantamount to a child throwing a tantrum. Let us address the pink elephant in the room. If you are so worldly and mature, why do you have such terrible grammar? This is extremely important in forming a cogent argument.

I suppose game over is all you have to say. Do you have evidence?

I was simply admiring your pretty pictures with lots of pretty lines. I think you should make it into a children's book for trading.

 

[itspossible]

 

[hhiusa]

How Capitalism Will Save Us

Capitalism is the world’s greatest economic success story. It is the most effective way to provide for the needs of people and foster the democratic and moral values of a free society.

Is Capitalism Moral?
THE RAP: Capitalism is an amoral, dog-eat-dog system founded on greed and the survival of the fittest.

THE REALITY: Capitalism is the world’s most humane economic system, promoting the democratic values of a free and open society: hard work, cooperation, generosity, charity, and devotion to the rule of law.

Isn’t Capitalism Brutal?
THE RAP: The free market is brutal: Big players with too much power crush smaller competitors. People are laid off without warning or protection. Individuals are vulnerable to ups and downs in remote sectors of the economy that have little apparent connection to their daily existence, suffering untold disruption to their lives and businesses.

THE REALITY: Democratic capitalism can be disruptive and unpredictable. But the process of “creative destruction” is critical to a healthy economy and society. New products and industries render old ones obsolete. Some jobs may be destroyed. But other jobs–more of them–are created. In this way, individuals and resources go where they are most needed by people and businesses, and wealth-producing innovations are developed. Without creative destruction, the economy would stagnate. Living standards would be lower and unemployment would be far higher.

Don’t Regulations Safeguard The Public Good?
THE RAP: Without regulations and statutes imposed by government as the referee of capitalism, greed and selfishness would run rampant in unfettered markets. Regulations safeguard the public good. They promote public safety and ethical business practices, preventing business from cheating and ensuring that citizens abide by the rules of the road.

THE REALITY: The rule of law is essential to the successful functioning of democratic capitalism. Certain regulations are necessary in an open economy. Yet others are a response to political pressure from self-interested constituencies. Politically motivated, overly meddlesome regulations and rules produce unintended consequences, hurting the very people they are trying to protect. They micromanage the economy and stifle innovation, favoring incumbents at the expense of innovative outsiders.

 

[hhiusa]

Without Question, Capitalism Is Supremely Moral

Without Question, Capitalism Is Supremely Moral
Wendy Milling
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/03/21/without-question-capitalism-is-surpremely-moral/#5d6b4e075dc7

In an article in the Washington Post (known for hard-core bleeding hearts, second only to the Huffington Post), Steven Pearlstein asks, “Is Capitalism Moral?”.

Steven Pearlstein believes pro-capitalists' move to fight upon morality is based upon a sudden realization that capitalism fails in many ways. He believes that if markets were making us better off, self-regulating the excesses and distributing the "economic pie" more equally, government would not have to do what it already does.

Let us put aside the fallacy of sweeping generalizations and focus upon the have-nots. Pearlstein and many others are quick to point out the excesses of the rich, but they never point out the excesses of the poor. There is the poor and the so-called poor. The so-called blue-collar workers that pro-socialists claim are hard working Americans. I would point you to how much they actually make. Many public servants make more than doctors. Doctors have put more time and energy into becoming what they are than public servants. Instead, we have opted to pay people with A.A. degrees and sometimes B.A. degrees $100-200K and then give them a golden parachute after 25 years.

He ignores how well millions of the lowest-income people live in market economies relative to others. He posits “excesses” which he does not mention. He does not state why they are excess, why that excess is intolerable, how the markets have failed to regulate them, or why the government should regulate them. He implicitly absolves government of any role in causing any intolerable economic problems. He asserts that government is obligated to guarantee equal “opportunity,” that there is a limited “pie” of wealth which government must divide among the population, and that we need government to do these things!

It is not that pro-capitalists believe that free markets fail in important ways. On the contrary, capitalism is the perfect system. It is the most moral system because it respects man’s rights, and it allows the greatest abundance to be created precisely because it does respect rights. A free mind is the root of wealth creation. A mind free to succeed is also free to fail, but that mind is also free to pick itself back up and try again. There is no cause for existential hand-wringing in a truly capitalist system, and doing so would be morally wrong.

Pro-socialists and statists believe that their failures are an indictment against capitalism. They believe that they failed, not because of their own short-comings and inadequacies, but because something must be wrong with capitalism if they have failed. Here is a concept. Take responsibility for you actions.

The moral obligation of government is to provide equality under the law. It absolutely must refrain from providing “equality of opportunity.” Equality of opportunity is a Progressive era concept which means that the government should redistribute wealth and prerogatives to those who were born with less than others. But to redistribute wealth is to rob some individuals and give the loot to others. That is immoral, and nothing justifies it. The right thing for government to do is to protect the rights of the individual—full stop.

 

[Forexmospherian]

Quote:
The moral obligation of government is to provide equality under the law. It absolutely must refrain from providing “equality of opportunity.” Equality of opportunity is a Progressive era concept which means that the government should redistribute wealth and prerogatives to those who were born with less than others. But to redistribute wealth is to rob some individuals and give the loot to others. That is immoral, and nothing justifies it. The right thing for government to do is to protect the rights of the individual—full stop.

I have been a businessman, entrepreneur, capitalist for over 28 yrs and voted for the conservatives far more times than any other party.

My own businesses have employed over 50 people in the late 90's and have turned over multi million pound per annum and made excellent profits.

You could say I have enjoyed a very good life on the back of capitalism

However - I disagree strongly with the quote above and would say that it's similar to so much of the "wind up " rubbish hhiusa loves to churn out

Capitalism is far from perfect - never forget that it can be improved mainly by rooting out all the cheats and bullies and the greedy fat bar stewards who give it such a bad name

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it hhiusa - and remember you are no debater - just a loser atm tying to wind up and entice more contributors to get banned

Still if it keeps you entertained and off the streets - its not all bad

Best Regards

F

 

[hhiusa]

Quote:
The moral obligation of government is to provide equality under the law. It absolutely must refrain from providing “equality of opportunity.” Equality of opportunity is a Progressive era concept which means that the government should redistribute wealth and prerogatives to those who were born with less than others. But to redistribute wealth is to rob some individuals and give the loot to others. That is immoral, and nothing justifies it. The right thing for government to do is to protect the rights of the individual—full stop.

I have been a businessman, entrepreneur, capitalist for over 28 yrs and voted for the conservatives far more times than any other party.

My own businesses have employed over 50 people in the late 90's and have turned over multi million pound per annum and made excellent profits.

Broken record.

You love to tell everyone that. Truly successful people do not need to brag about their successes.

 

[Forexmospherian]

Again - you get it so wrong ;-)

If I was bragging I would mention some of the business awards I won and of course the actual EBIT figures my companies were returning ( very high net returns due to efficiency of the staff etc)

Now if you really want me to brag - I can do that another time as it would be just a long list of achievements - but way off the actual topic you want to seriously debate.

Toodle loo

Best Regards

F

 

[hhiusa]

Again - you get it so wrong ;-)

If I was bragging I would mention some of the business awards I won and of course the actual EBIT figures my companies were returning ( very high net returns due to efficiency of the staff etc)

Now if you really want me to brag - I can do that another time as it would be just a long list of achievements - but way off the actual topic you want to seriously debate.

Toodle loo

Best Regards

F

It went right over head.

You must brag so much that you cannot tell when you are doing it.

I have been a businessman, entrepreneur, capitalist for over 28 yrs and voted for the conservatives far more times than any other party.

My own businesses have employed over 50 people in the late 90's and have turned over multi million pound per annum and made excellent profits.

You could say I have enjoyed a very good life on the back of capitalism

So, what you are saying is that you do not understand how this is bragging? You actually had companies with 50 whole employees.

multi million pound per annum and made excellent profits.

Charity does not need to mentioned.

One thing that you can brag about is all of the pretty graphs you made.

 

[hhiusa]

 

[hhiusa]

those who trade DAX should test for this?

http://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/adult-adhd

"Impulsivity
Impulsiveness in someone with ADHD can manifest in several ways:

interrupting others during conversation
being socially inappropriate
rushing through tasks
acting without much consideration to the consequences
A person’s shopping habits are often a good indication of ADHD. Impulse buying, especially on items they can’t afford, is a common symptom of adult ADHD."

That is a common symptom that most people have.

 

[counter_violent]

That is a common symptom that most people have.

Capitalism is built on the idea that we should all work harder for less, borrow more, pay up front to buy things we don't need.

Great system huh !

 

[hhiusa]

Capitalism is built on the idea that we should all work harder for less, borrow more, pay up front to buy things we don't need.

Great system huh !

Socialist countries do not have any less of a problem with debt. People should just take responsibility for their behavior. :smart:

 

[counter_violent]

Socialist countries do not have any less of a problem with debt. People should just take responsibility for their behavior. :smart:

Well for starters, the UK isn't a socialist country no matter how much you bleat on that it is.

The US however is facing the prospect of Clinton over Trump, so I would suggest the US is continuing on it's socialist path and fast becoming the cess pit of the western world.

Have a nice day yall

 

[hhiusa]

Well for starters, the UK isn't a socialist country no matter how much you bleat on that it is.

The US however is facing the prospect of Clinton over Trump, so I would suggest the US is continuing on it's socialist path and fast becoming the cess pit of the western world.

Have a nice day yall

Hillary is better than Bernie. If Bernie is elected, we will become almost as socialist as the UK. A country which pays for school, provides free housing to ASBO CHAVs, has some form of state run media (BBC - statutory corporation) and let's not forget the stamp duty. They tax everything they can, even a tax upon driving your car through London. If that is not socialism, then no country is socialist. Even Sweden, Norway and Denmark are less socialist than the UK.

Sweden introduced a financial transaction tax, but they repealed it 6 years later. They also abolished the inheritance tax.

The UK has tried multiple times to get other countries including the US to get on board with madness of having a financial transaction tax.

I enjoy our banter CV.

 

[counter_violent]

Hillary is better than Bernie. If Bernie is elected, we will become almost as socialist as the UK. A country which pays for school, provides free housing to ASBO CHAVs, has some form of state run media (BBC - statutory corporation) and let's not forget the stamp duty. They tax everything they can, even a tax upon driving your car through London. If that is not socialism, then no country is socialist. Even Sweden, Norway and Denmark are less socialist than the UK.

Sweden introduced a financial transaction tax, but they repealed it 6 years later. They also abolished the inheritance tax.

The UK has tried multiple times to get other countries including the US to get on board with madness of having a financial transaction tax.

I enjoy our banter CV.

This is all incorrect. I don't know where you get your information.

Socialist Europe is pushing for a financial transaction tax, the UK is adamant this will not happen.
We will see how the UK votes in the referendum. I suspect we will be leaving the EU and good riddance !

 

[hhiusa]

This is all incorrect. I don't know where you get your information.

Socialist Europe is pushing for a financial transaction tax, the UK is adamant this will not happen.
We will see how the UK votes in the referendum. I suspect we will be leaving the EU and good riddance !

So you're saying all of it is false. You're saying that the UK doesn't provide free housing in mostly what I would consider bad areas. Does the UK not provide free education or almost free education. A couple thousand pounds a year is basically free education. The BBC is a statutory corporation. You should look up the definition of statutory corporation.

In the United Kingdom, a statutory corporation is a corporate body created by statute. It typically has no shareholders and its powers are defined by the Act of Parliament which creates it, and may be modified by later legislation. Such bodies were often created to provide public services, examples including British Railways, the National Coal Board and the Post Office Corporation. Other examples include the county councils, the National Assembly for Wales, The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), Channel Four Television Corporation​

The chairman and CEO of the financial services authority vied for a financial transaction tax and wanted the rest of the world to get on board. You already have a stamp duty tax.

Switzerland is currently the only other country I can think of that has a stamp duty tax. It is 0.15%. It also does not cover all financial transactions.