Can the Labour party re-invent Socialism ?

[counter_violent]

Going to university in Holland is a real choice now.

Better value and hopefully our lot can get to learn a few other languages. Started indoctrinating my kids already - and can see a few holidays coming up there soon in the next couple of years.

Open the borders and let people take care of their own business within the union I say.

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/international/europe/netherlands/

The Dutch are far from happy with the EU
http://neurope.eu/article/dutch-court-wont-rule-whether-black-pete-racist/

 

[tomorton]

Trident subs without nuclear warheads. Priceless. Pseudo-solution that could only come from a professional politician, i.e. not a decision-taker. Doesn't really please anyone, doesn't really offend anyone, but certainly doesn't do the job either.

Then again, he's already the politician with no tie, he wants police with no guns and shareholders with no rights. He already runs the party with no policies.

 

[Atilla]

Trident subs without nuclear warheads. Priceless. Pseudo-solution that could only come from a professional politician, i.e. not a decision-taker. Doesn't really please anyone, doesn't really offend anyone, but certainly doesn't do the job either.

Then again, he's already the politician with no tie, he wants police with no guns and shareholders with no rights. He already runs the party with no policies.

Heard on the BBC he also want's sympathy strikes...

Secondary strike action can take place. Like bus drivers going on strike to support the rail workers and rail workers going on strike to support bus drivers pay.


What I don't understand is how in this day and age how anyone can think this way.


Guy is a bit of a Dr Jekyll and Hyde character... :-0

 

[Pat494]

What the dummy needs are some proper policies and he would cream Dipstick Dave into the rubbish bin of history.

Whatever happened to the Liberals ? 50 years of hard work vanished over-night.

 

[Splitlink]

Well, if you are waiting for JT to cream Dave into history I think that you are in for a long one. Almost everything he says suggests that it will be him who will go, I doubt whether he will make the history books, either.

Last week we saw the Spanish elected swear into Spains Parliament. Podemos, the new left wingers, presented their leaders in shirt sleeves and pony tails with a front bencher, a woman, coming in with her few months old son. She says that there was no one to look after him, even though there is babycare in the building. This woman comes from one of Galicia's richest families. While she was giving a speech she entrusted him to her colleagues, who passed him around with coos.

The shape of things to come?

It was on tv so I am surprised that I have not seen any of it in the UK media,

 

[Splitlink]

Here is one.

 

[Pat494]

I hope he is not just re-hashing the old failed Trotskyite dream.
We live in a world of selling things.

 

[Atilla]

Here is one.

Oh boy! :whistling

 

[tomorton]

Heard on the BBC he also want's sympathy strikes...

Secondary strike action can take place. Like bus drivers going on strike to support the rail workers and rail workers going on strike to support bus drivers pay.


What I don't understand is how in this day and age how anyone can think this way.


Guy is a bit of a Dr Jekyll and Hyde character... :-0

He will say secondary strikes are a good thing until he's the employer. His tune will change if he's ever in charge.

 

[Pat494]

There is no doubt that the West is, generally, an unfair society but I don't think that Pensioners will have a better quality of life by raising the pension.

Not sure how you work that out m8. Are we better off with smaller incomes ?

That stupid man Corbyn is threatening to stop dividends by giving them to the workers. Not a good idea at all. Businesses won't be able to borrow money if they don't pay dividends. Besides there are many thousands who absolutely depend on dividends to pay the daily bills. He should be reining in the huge salaries and perks by the top hogs and making wages fairer after paying dividends.

 

[Pat494]

It is time the Labour Party put an end to the Corbyn farce and have another election just amongst MPs to elect a proper leader. Save themselves the embarrassment of losing yet another election too imho.
He is a relatively harmless joke from the Marxist past on the back benches but as leader ? Oh no ! Rubbish !!

 

[Pat494]

The Labour Party are perhaps having a bit of a rest now and will put Burnham up before the next election. They need a creditable candidate to oppose Cameron and co. not some guy who looks like a tramp and has idiotic ideas.

 

[Splitlink]

Pat, I'm not a Labourite and never have been but I read on an online news site that 62 people own half of the world's wealth. I'll see tf I can find it again. If it is true, it is not right. So, maybe Corbyn has some ideas that need looking at more carefully.. It is a question of finding the correct mix.

A man has, IMO, the right to make a fortune...but not billions. Would you agree with that?

 

[Pat494]

Pat, I'm not a Labourite and never have been but I read on an online news site that 62 people own half of the world's wealth. I'll see tf I can find it again. If it is true, it is not right. So, maybe Corbyn has some ideas that need looking at more carefully.. It is a question of finding the correct mix.

A man has, IMO, the right to make a fortune...but not billions. Would you agree with that?

I would.
Perhaps there should be a tax cap set at a billion ?

 

[trendie]

is there a new habit of electing the leader just before a major election, so the electorate doesnt have too much dirt on them, or can be seen as not having made too many mistakes?
just wondering.
how long did Milliband have before the election got called?
ditto cameron?

so, in that case, the new labour leader needs to be replaced just before a new election, and ideally be seen to represent a fresh change, so there is a perception of improvement when compared to corbyn.
(he does seem a bit mad. reminds me of michael foot, in a donkey jacket, if any of you are old enough to remember. Kinnock replaced him, and almost won. but thats another story.)

 

[Eric Geddes]

is there a new habit of electing the leader just before a major election, so the electorate doesnt have too much dirt on them, or can be seen as not having made too many mistakes?
just wondering.
how long did Milliband have before the election got called?
ditto cameron?

so, in that case, the new labour leader needs to be replaced just before a new election, and ideally be seen to represent a fresh change, so there is a perception of improvement when compared to corbyn.
(he does seem a bit mad. reminds me of michael foot, in a donkey jacket, if any of you are old enough to remember. Kinnock replaced him, and almost won. but thats another story.)

Kinnock gained 271 seats compared to Major's 336. Almost won?
I think Michael Foot was probably quite sane in comparison to Jezza.

 

[Atilla]

Kinnock gained 271 seats compared to Major's 336. Almost won?
I think Michael Foot was probably quite sane in comparison to Jezza.

John Smith's honest budget and negative campaigning by Tories got Major in.

Kinnock was a great reformer of the daft Labour party. Laid the grounds for TBlair's win.

 

[counter_violent]

Then we have the unacceptable face of crony corporatism.
Here's the latest example of bullying laid bare.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35347578

https://www.fpb.org/your-voice/hall-of-shame

 

[Pat494]

Corbyn seems to be flying the White Flag over The Falklands. Maggie won that skirmish for us at some cost. I remember.

 

[tomorton]

Corbyn seems to be flying the White Flag over The Falklands. Maggie won that skirmish for us at some cost. I remember.

There's no real-world pressure to surrender control of the Falklands to anyone - not while we retain several others and France, Spain, Australia, New Zealand, Finland, Denmark, Norway, China, Portugal the Netherlands and the US all have their own overseas territories while Argentina is an insignificant trading partner / global power.

Let's not forget that the green light for the Argentinian military regime's invasion of the islands (and South Georgia) was I believe the Foreign Office agreement to discuss handover. The generalissimos concluded we would not put up a fight if we were nearing agreement to hand ther territory over anyway.

I suspect Corbyn is just doing this for anti-Thatcher political reasons. That's how rooted he is in the leftist thinking of past times. Mind you, some might say that's a quality.