Bush or Kerry?

[chump]

"liberal"...at this point I will interpret that word to mean "they who think" !

"The odds are therefore stacked against Evil, so Good will inevitably be victorious"...here's the bad news everybody thinks they are the good guy and the guy they are fighting is the bad guy..so you are 100% absolutely right that good will win !

The problem with this type of 'thinking' is it is mindless emotive rhetoric that finds form in equally mindless action...you got a problem with an extremist then think about how to nullify that problem without laying waste to half the world ! George are you listening ? Quick and mindless does not equal correct and effective !

Would the rational , liberal group here wish to buy a small country where we can establish a first law that states anyone with an extremist religious view (no matter what religion) get's locked up and the key thrown away so the rest of us can get on with our lives in peace !

 

[JumpOff]

Since American policies have an effect far exceeding its borders, I propose that everyone on earth gets to vote for the American president.

Wouldn't matter. You can vote all you want, your votes won't be counted any better than ours were....
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php
JO

 

[LION63]

Chump,

Assuming that kind of scenario were to unfold, how long do you believe that the peace and tranquillity within would last? Surely, it would not be more than a few years before a group or groups started to undermine the status quo for whatever selfish reasons they might have.

 

[chump]

LOL....of course they would then the 'good' guys would have to lock them up too..and eventually of course I might be the only 'good' guy left ...this is just human nature ,but until we stop polarising views based on mindless 'beliefs' it will continue to be business as usual just as it has been for millenia...

 

[timothyclarke]

Timothyclarke,

Pardon me if I say that that is one of the most hypocritical notes, posts (whatever) that I have read in a few days. You have the cheek to ask me if I "intentionally go out of my way to antagonise people"? You claim to have been reading the posts and did not feel I was worth responding to in the past; what on Earth made you change your mind? Were you so bored that you thought you might as well come up with an ill thought statement or is that you were left at home alone with nobody else to upset?

You will have to do much better than that, try something less sutle next time. But since you "bothered" replying to my post(s), you are at least showing some progress and there is still some hope for you, maybe if you stop reading comic books and watching those cartoons, I will endeavour to take you more seriously.

Lion,

No, you weren't worth bothering to reply to in the past. You were making us all laugh with your story about the friend who made two million dollars from 500 in just six months (I believe those numbers are right, I'll stand corrected otherwise), You'll have to find out more about me before you start accusing me of reading comic boks and watching cartoons. But that seems to be your method of argument --- dragging it down to a slagging match based upon no evidence. You've been called a liar before, and quite rightly too.

Anyone who has heard of John Pilger, there are some interesting articles on his homepage .

 

[TraderPattern]

The liberals can continue with their ranting, but it won't change a thing. The re-election of the war hero Bush and his military co-operation with the great countries of UK, India and Israel will spell the end of the line for the Islamic fanatics.

 

[Salty Gibbon]

Trader Pattern

Have you by any chance had any formal training in comedy ?

You are hilarious and my sides are fair splitting with laughter.

And I still cannot fathom why you refer to India as a great country. I have actually visited the place and I can assure you it is far from great.

 

[zambuck]

trder pattern appears to be a typical - college-campus-reebok shoes-levis jeans-burger chomping-US mad-indian college boy........so have pity on him and his views....sometimes their history of india goes back very long indeed.....10 years..!!...I could be wrong here,....

there are approx 900 million people there....and trader pattern is NOT a voice of majority....

....a typical low end of salary income family in india has to do a back breaking hard labour of 18 hrs a day just to make not even a 50 pence worth of income....and percentage of population in that range is huge.....

so where is the greatness trader pattern..??...that there is taj mahal and red fort..??

 

[Salty Gibbon]

Or Tendulkar, Ganguly, Bollywood and a statue of Ghandi ?

 

[zambuck]

The liberals can continue with their ranting, but it won't change a thing. The re-election of the war hero Bush and his military co-operation with the great countries of UK, India and Israel will spell the end of the line for the Islamic fanatics.

....although I would like to see the end of terrorism, you may find that in the history no field war has been won war against determined terrorists....not 'war war but jaw jaw' has ended terrorism.....

....if you think that US could/would blast all terrorists from the face of the earth then conflict in Iraq would have been over long time back...

The point is that conflict in Iraq has given 'birth' to million more determined terrorists who want to go out in 'glory' and become immortals. This is going to be another vietnam for US....

If you think that US will help india regarding kashmir, then let me tell you, US will put so much pressure on India, in favour of Pakistan that Indians will have no choice...and two bit Indian politicians will just go along with demands of - as you say - Great US....

..and stop being fickle with word 'great'....no one is offering you a pint...!!

 

[zambuck]

Or Tendulkar, Ganguly, Bollywood and a statue of Ghandi ?

tendulkar, ganguly and bollywood are in a mega rich indian class.....

only gandhi remained a true indian to the core....and he was more learned than all above....

 

[Roberto]

The point is that conflict in Iraq has given 'birth' to million more determined terrorists and it will be another vietnam for US....

I don't believe it will turn into another Vietnam for the US. And neither does even the US public, or Bush would never have won re-election (not that that proves anything, I admit, because the US public are both ill-informed - as every opinion poll shows - and actively deceived). But it will certainly give birth to a million more determined terrorists; yes. This was the main reason, IMHO, why Blair should not have got involved. Almost everyone is better off without Saddam Hussein in power, undeniably, but he has risked the safety of the UK people. Every fundamentalist Muslim disposed of will give rise to 10 more to take his place. The late Dr. Jacob Bronowski has been proved right in his 35-year-ago prediction of how the "third WW" will begin (see "The Ascent of Man").

America is snickered about, laughed at, considered childish and uneducated. Much like many of the posts here, which support the notion that the US is a laughing stock. This is partly why some Europeans treat Americans with such condescension.

Any "fear" that is rising is the type of fear reserved for unpredictable fascists. The world has to plan for a delusional, witless, out-of-control religious fundamentalist leader in the US in much the same way that it makes plans for other world crazies of the same ilk (i.e. those in the middle east, and previous ones in Europe). My hope is that this turn of events will be the kick in the pants that Europe needs to be more united so that when things get more out of control in the US, we will have allies to help us undo the mess, or at least to prevent the bully from taking the world's lunch money.

Bush won in the states on one issue: excellent fear production in the masses.

This was done in two ways: (a) the "moral" argument: ("keep those lefty pinko godless queers far away from us decent Christian folk"); and (b) spin on terrorism (the terrorists must be smiling all the way to the bank that the US would be so afraid of a small weirdo group of people that they would do something as stupid as re-elect Bush. They are now controlling the US political system. Another excellent victory for them. Bin Laden was certainly voting for Bush, and for this reason.)

I think that the British people who support Bush do so for the latter fear perception. The Neo-Conservatives here have been somewhat successful in creating terrorist fear in the UK as well. Which is really amazing considering that England has been dealing with terrorism for so long without overreacting in this manner. But alas, there are stupid people everywhere.

Kneejerk political decisions based on irrational fear rather than calm rational long term planning worry me very much.

 

[zambuck]

..very well put Roberto....

Is is not amazing...that gang of arabs holed up somewhere in Pakistan are going to attack US in a massive way..??....and that US public actally believes that...?

Look at the lists of post war enemies that US has acquired to keep their military machine working...here are some...

Cuba
Korea
USSR
China
Nicaragua
Congo
VIETNAM
Palestine
Libya
Iran
Iraq
India - partly as it is pro USSR...US has a base in Diego Garcia which was bought from UK after kicking the population off to another island..!!

Forgot Iran, Iraq and Vietnam.......!!!

 

[trendie]

zambuck,

dont forget Chile.
Allende was democratically elected socialist in the 1970s.
The US didnt want "pinkos" in their backyard.
The CIA conspired to overthrow a democratically elected government.
The result - Pinochet. ( dictator, right-wing, resulted in human-rights abuses, the "disappeared" etc ).
I forget how much military training and resouirces were supplied by US to Pinochet.
I am sure Google would help.

 

[trendie]

why does TraderPattern keep referring to the great US-India co-operation.
My statements regarding the US supporting Pakistan ( over the democratic India ) still stand.

these terrorists are being trained in a country that the US considers an ally !!
the point is, it suits the US at the moment. ( neighbours Afghanistan )

 

[Salty Gibbon]

only gandhi remained a true indian to the core....and he was more learned than all above....

And besides, he was a truly crap cricketer

 

[zambuck]

...yes so perhaps not so great after all in minds of some indians..!!

 

[TraderPattern]

Gandhi was great in for the time and moment of history he lived through. The truly great Indians these days are the 'jawans' of the Indian military based in Kashmir, who put their lives on the line defending India from Al-Queda loving, Pakistan sponsored terrorists.

I do agree with some of the liberals here that US policy currently needs to give Pakistan a wide leash; but only until the inevitable assassination of Musharraf by Islamic fanatics. After that event, USA, Israel and India will work together as strong allies in the war against terror to destroy installations of Pakistani nuclear missiles, as the Talibanisation of a nuclear-armed Pakistan would be a frightening prospect.

 

[trendie]

I do agree with some of the liberals here that US policy currently needs to give Pakistan a wide leash; but only until the inevitable assassination of Musharraf by Islamic fanatics. After that event, USA, Israel and India will work together as strong allies in the war against terror to destroy installations of Pakistani nuclear missiles, as the Talibanisation of a nuclear-armed Pakistan would be a frightening prospect.

Trade what you SEE is happening, not what you THINK or WISH will happen.

Until the relevant signals appear, dont hold your breath.
Or, at least, dont bet the farm on it !!

 

[Perrington]

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's interim government has declared a state of emergency for 60 days, the spokesman for Prime Minister Iyad Allawi has announced.

He said the state of emergency, equivalent to martial law, would apply to all of Iraq except the Kurdish north.

"The prime minister will give details in a news conference tomorrow," said spokesman Thaer al-Naqib.

The announcement on Sunday came ahead of a widely expected U.S. offensive against the Sunni Muslim cities of Falluja and Ramadi, which the government says are nerve centres for an insurgency sweeping the country.


Ahhh, Liberation the Bush way.