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Here's something that caught my eye the other day. Enjoy it?
IS IT right to find amusing the sight of a junk-food-noshing Michael Moore exploding? Or to laugh at that Hollywood bore, Tim Robbins, having his head blasted off? And is it comic to see Kim Jong Il feeding Hans Blix to the sharks? Or, for that matter, to snigger at the East Asian propensity to mix up Ls and Rs when the friendless North Korean dictator sings a song called Ronery?
I ask all this because it is important. If you laugh at these things you stand on one side of a divide. I laughed on Friday night when I saw Team America: World Police. This film, featuring a cast of marionettes, recently opened in the United States to the satisfying sound of squealing left-wingers peeved at the celluloid mockery of peaceniks. The plot has a group of gunslinging heroes saving America from cruel-eyed Islamist terrorists, North Koreans and their fifth-column of dimwit Hollywood celebs (Alec Baldwin, “the greatest actor in the world”, being the chief villain).
The divide is between those who are “South Park Republicans” and those who are not. Trey Parker and Matt Stone, the men behind Team America, are responsible for the cartoon series South Park, which boasts that “due to its contents it should not be viewed by anyone”. Andrew Sullivan, the political columnist, coined the elevated term to refer to a generation of people who “believe we need a hard-ass foreign policy and are extremely sceptical of political correctness”. They are at ease with popular culture, have no itch to moralise, but want to get big government off their back. Certainly the credo of the dirty duo is simple. As Mr Stone put it: “I hate conservatives, but I really f***ing hate liberals”, and Trey Parker is a registered Libertarian.
South Park, a cartoon series about four potty-mouthed eight-year-olds, has been the most productive abbatoir of sacred cows since it was first broadcast in 1997. Its targets have included affirmative action — the only black schoolchild is called “Token”. It has satirised pro-abortion “It’s my body” fanatics — one character campaigns to abort her eight-year-old child after having an affair with Bill Clinton; he duly agrees to legalise 40th trimester abortions. And it has made fun of green activists. As one song puts it: There’s a place called the rainforest that truly sucks ass / Let’s knock it all down and get rid of it fast / You only fight these causes ’cause caring sells / All you activists can go f*** yourselves). It has also mocked sex education (remember the “Sexual Harassment Panda”?), 60s counterculture, radical disability campaigners, gay scout leaders and Barbra Streisand.
The views in the series are cartoonish but they do reflect a large strand of irreverent right-wing opinion. The kind of views that PJ O’Rourke elegantly expresses (“We are in favour of guns, drugs, fast cars, free love if our wives don’t find out, and a strong military with spiffy uniforms,” he once opined) or that Arnie Schwarzenegger represents.
Alas, “South Park Republicanism” has few champions here in Britain. But there is a growing market for it. A younger generation of Britons — overtaxed, tolerant and modern — can smell the hypocrisy of political correctness. They have grasped that PC is just a job-creation scheme — do we need yet more diversity officers, counsellors, and vision co-ordinators? They know that the welfare state’s raison d’être is to ensure that “chavs” are supplied with Burberry caps and hooded tops.
But the Tories are a shower. Boris Johnson, who has some satiric South Park qualities, was forced to apologise for having unvirtuous opinions. Oliver Letwin, the weedy Shadow Chancellor, believes there is something called the “moral case for low taxation” but he appears to have left it in the luggage rack on some train going nowhere. So Britain certainly needs to import a dose of hardcore liberty-loving. Just look at some news stories from the last few days, and you will see how bedraggled the battle-standard of freedom is.
Half of all voters and virtually all pundits, according to an ICM poll, are opposed to allowing people to spend their money at casinos. Now, the only game of chance I play is eating in greasy-spoon cafés, but it’s none of my business if people want to waste their money on a spin of the wheel or on fast women or slow horses or garden gnomes.
The Government wants to make it easier to deprive defendants of their liberty by allowing juries to know of their “previous form”. Sure, I wouldn’t weep if the underclass — who, by definition are guilty of something and are the most present danger to my life, liberty and property — were corralled en masse into jail. It’s just that I don’t trust the state to do it without imprisoning me. Hence my regard for prosecuting people using nitpicky things like “evidence”.
Some fifty councils are lobbying for a bill to ban smoking in pubs, clubs and restaurants — that’s privately owned institutions. I have a right to smoke; I don’t have a right to a smoke-free environment — that’s like believing you have a right to sunny weather (although the Lib Dems will probably include that in their manifesto).
Three hundred years ago today, John Locke, that great exponent of true liberalism, died. Being a Godly chap, he would not have been a natural South Park fan, but he would have found it perplexing that Britons were so idle in the defence of their own freedoms, so keen to deny it to their fellow countrymen, so unwilling to see liberty flower in other parts of the world, and so willing to see the state devour so much of their income. But at least you are still free to ignore every word of the above.
Cheers
Mayfly
Here's something that caught my eye the other day. Enjoy it?
IS IT right to find amusing the sight of a junk-food-noshing Michael Moore exploding? Or to laugh at that Hollywood bore, Tim Robbins, having his head blasted off? And is it comic to see Kim Jong Il feeding Hans Blix to the sharks? Or, for that matter, to snigger at the East Asian propensity to mix up Ls and Rs when the friendless North Korean dictator sings a song called Ronery?
I ask all this because it is important. If you laugh at these things you stand on one side of a divide. I laughed on Friday night when I saw Team America: World Police. This film, featuring a cast of marionettes, recently opened in the United States to the satisfying sound of squealing left-wingers peeved at the celluloid mockery of peaceniks. The plot has a group of gunslinging heroes saving America from cruel-eyed Islamist terrorists, North Koreans and their fifth-column of dimwit Hollywood celebs (Alec Baldwin, “the greatest actor in the world”, being the chief villain).
The divide is between those who are “South Park Republicans” and those who are not. Trey Parker and Matt Stone, the men behind Team America, are responsible for the cartoon series South Park, which boasts that “due to its contents it should not be viewed by anyone”. Andrew Sullivan, the political columnist, coined the elevated term to refer to a generation of people who “believe we need a hard-ass foreign policy and are extremely sceptical of political correctness”. They are at ease with popular culture, have no itch to moralise, but want to get big government off their back. Certainly the credo of the dirty duo is simple. As Mr Stone put it: “I hate conservatives, but I really f***ing hate liberals”, and Trey Parker is a registered Libertarian.
South Park, a cartoon series about four potty-mouthed eight-year-olds, has been the most productive abbatoir of sacred cows since it was first broadcast in 1997. Its targets have included affirmative action — the only black schoolchild is called “Token”. It has satirised pro-abortion “It’s my body” fanatics — one character campaigns to abort her eight-year-old child after having an affair with Bill Clinton; he duly agrees to legalise 40th trimester abortions. And it has made fun of green activists. As one song puts it: There’s a place called the rainforest that truly sucks ass / Let’s knock it all down and get rid of it fast / You only fight these causes ’cause caring sells / All you activists can go f*** yourselves). It has also mocked sex education (remember the “Sexual Harassment Panda”?), 60s counterculture, radical disability campaigners, gay scout leaders and Barbra Streisand.
The views in the series are cartoonish but they do reflect a large strand of irreverent right-wing opinion. The kind of views that PJ O’Rourke elegantly expresses (“We are in favour of guns, drugs, fast cars, free love if our wives don’t find out, and a strong military with spiffy uniforms,” he once opined) or that Arnie Schwarzenegger represents.
Alas, “South Park Republicanism” has few champions here in Britain. But there is a growing market for it. A younger generation of Britons — overtaxed, tolerant and modern — can smell the hypocrisy of political correctness. They have grasped that PC is just a job-creation scheme — do we need yet more diversity officers, counsellors, and vision co-ordinators? They know that the welfare state’s raison d’être is to ensure that “chavs” are supplied with Burberry caps and hooded tops.
But the Tories are a shower. Boris Johnson, who has some satiric South Park qualities, was forced to apologise for having unvirtuous opinions. Oliver Letwin, the weedy Shadow Chancellor, believes there is something called the “moral case for low taxation” but he appears to have left it in the luggage rack on some train going nowhere. So Britain certainly needs to import a dose of hardcore liberty-loving. Just look at some news stories from the last few days, and you will see how bedraggled the battle-standard of freedom is.
Half of all voters and virtually all pundits, according to an ICM poll, are opposed to allowing people to spend their money at casinos. Now, the only game of chance I play is eating in greasy-spoon cafés, but it’s none of my business if people want to waste their money on a spin of the wheel or on fast women or slow horses or garden gnomes.
The Government wants to make it easier to deprive defendants of their liberty by allowing juries to know of their “previous form”. Sure, I wouldn’t weep if the underclass — who, by definition are guilty of something and are the most present danger to my life, liberty and property — were corralled en masse into jail. It’s just that I don’t trust the state to do it without imprisoning me. Hence my regard for prosecuting people using nitpicky things like “evidence”.
Some fifty councils are lobbying for a bill to ban smoking in pubs, clubs and restaurants — that’s privately owned institutions. I have a right to smoke; I don’t have a right to a smoke-free environment — that’s like believing you have a right to sunny weather (although the Lib Dems will probably include that in their manifesto).
Three hundred years ago today, John Locke, that great exponent of true liberalism, died. Being a Godly chap, he would not have been a natural South Park fan, but he would have found it perplexing that Britons were so idle in the defence of their own freedoms, so keen to deny it to their fellow countrymen, so unwilling to see liberty flower in other parts of the world, and so willing to see the state devour so much of their income. But at least you are still free to ignore every word of the above.
Cheers
Mayfly
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Its very satisfying news that Bush has won.
Bush understands the evil of Islamic terrorism, and better understands the pain that India has suffered at the hands of Islamic extremists.
I look forward to strong military co-operation between USA, UK and India in order that the world can be free of terrorism.
The great American people voted wisely and I salute them. The days of Islamic terrorism are numbered!
Bush understands the evil of Islamic terrorism, and better understands the pain that India has suffered at the hands of Islamic extremists.
I look forward to strong military co-operation between USA, UK and India in order that the world can be free of terrorism.
The great American people voted wisely and I salute them. The days of Islamic terrorism are numbered!
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TraderPattern said:
Bush, or america, does not understand or care about islamic terrorism.
He does not understand the pain that India has suffered.
The invasion of Afghanistan, then Iraq, was a geo-political manoeuver to control the oil-fields.
terrorism is a mechanism to generate support to control the oil-fields.
By controlling Iraq and Afghanistan, they can then control the Caspian oil and gas reserves.
PREDICTION: "terrorism" will be found ( manufactured if need be ) in countries bordering the Caspian Sea, to justify "liberating" that region, and being within sniffing distance of all that gas.
India: how much did corporate america care when over 10,000 indians died in Bhopal ??
Sudan: the suffering of the sudanese is not being felt or understood because there is no gain to be made by intervening.
BinLaden was trained by the US in the early eighties because it suited their purpose when Russia invaded Afghanistan.
Sep 11: When ALL aircraft were grounded, the Bin Laden family, close friends of the Bush family, were allowed to fly out of the country.
1983: Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam Hussein to offer weapons and support.
I cant remember the date, but the UK comoany Matrix-Churchill were selling components to build a "supergun" for Iraq.
We suppoer terrorist movements when it suits our political purposes.
Unfortunately, everyone gets smeared with the political crap in one form or another.
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Did anyone watch 'The Power of Nightmares' tonight. There were some amazing facts. I had almost forgotten that the complex caves that were supposed to hide the al-Qaeda headquarters in Afghanistan were never found.
It was also interesting to hear that a dirty bomb would not work. The explosion disperses the radiation so much that it wont kill anyone. The tests that were used presumed that a person would not move after the explosion for one year. How realistic is that? A fascinating programme and it spelt out exactly how crazy the neo-Conservatives are.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3970901.stm
The Power of Nightmares: The Shadows In The Cave
The Power of Nightmares assesses whether the threat from a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion. In the concluding part of the series, the programme explains how the illusion was created and who benefits from it.
It was also interesting to hear that a dirty bomb would not work. The explosion disperses the radiation so much that it wont kill anyone. The tests that were used presumed that a person would not move after the explosion for one year. How realistic is that? A fascinating programme and it spelt out exactly how crazy the neo-Conservatives are.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3970901.stm
The Power of Nightmares: The Shadows In The Cave
The Power of Nightmares assesses whether the threat from a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion. In the concluding part of the series, the programme explains how the illusion was created and who benefits from it.
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An extract from today's Daily Reckoning, for those rushing forward without knowing a little history!
******************
----Monday marked the jubilee anniversary of another
war on terror. The International Herald Tribune
announced its beginning with this dispatch from 2
November, 1954:
"Troops Head to Algeria
"Paris: The French government last night sent three
companies of Republican Security Guards by plane and
authorised the immediate dispatch of three battalions
of parachutists to Algeria, where a sharp outbreak of
terrorism, which seemed to follow a co-ordinated
pattern, struck wide areas of the country early
yesterday..."
Among the French troops who ended up in Algeria was our
old friend, Francois:
"What a mess. You didn't know who were friends and who
were enemies. Somebody would pass you and smile, and
then they'd shoot you in the back.
"And we were no angels either. The French army became
pretty brutal...we felt we had no choice. That was one
reason the top military leaders wanted the war stopped;
it was destroying the integrity of the army itself.
Armies can't fight terror without becoming terrorists
themselves.
"Of course, it was all a disaster..."
Algeria was not a godforsaken Third-World hellhole. It
was a department of France, like an American state. It
was thought by many to be France's most beautiful
state...and was home to about a million Frenchmen, who
had been there for many generations. But in the early
'50s, the juice of Arab independence and Marxist
revolution had begun to ferment throughout the
colonies.
The French tried to put a cork on the insurrection in
the old tried and true manner - with murder, torture
and concentration camps. The Rumsfelds, Cheneys,
Bremers, and Bushes of the time believed they could
master the situation - if they could just bring up
enough guns and soldiers. They couldn't believe that
Algeria would want to turn its back on the blessings of
French civilisation. Their spokesman of the time was
none other than the French minister of the interior
[later, president of the Republic, the Socialist]
Francois Mitterand:
"From Flanders to the Congo, there is one law, one
nation, one parliament. It is the Constitution...and it
is our will. The government will make sure than our
fellow citizens of Algeria know they have a
future...and that this future is French."
But that is one of the wonders of mass man. He does not
reason. He does not think. He merely goes along with
whatever feeling stirs the mob. That is why a small
group of determined fanatics can triumph over a much
larger group of passive citizens. The majority are
merely swept along, by the currents, like plastic
bottles in a swollen storm drain.
Local French administrators tried to isolate the
problem by setting up internment camps for Arabs. At
one time, as many as 2 million people were forced into
the camps...out of a total population of 9 million. A
young inspector, Michel Rocard, was sent from Paris to
study the 'regroupment' camps. His report shocked the
government and the world.
"This genocide was neither deliberate nor systematic,"
recalled Rocard in last week's Nouvel Observateur. "It
was simply the fruit of practical colonels on the
scene, who wanted to get local populations out of the
way of their military operations. Only, there was a
problem: there was no money to feed the displaced
people. It was as simple as that. So, they died. The
administrators of the camps that I saw were not Nazis;
for the most part, they were saddened and a little
ashamed."
It is estimated that 200,000 people starved to death in
the camps, says the Nouvel Observateur.
But neither death camps nor torture chambers nor
hundreds of thousands of troops were enough.
Eventually, the government gave up and signed a peace
accord, turning the country over to the Arabs. The
local French were appalled. A coup d'etat fizzled. And
then French troops fired on Europeans in Algiers to
restore order. Eventually, the French were run out of
Algeria like the Americans from Vietnam -
disgracefully, leaving behind as many as 60,000 pro-
French Algerians who, having collaborated with the
colonialists, were then massacred by the new rulers.
Of course, there were incidents of grace and heroism
too. When the order came to abandon their local
auxiliaries to almost certain death, at least some of
the French officers had the courage to disobey.
Francois: "Yes, one of our officers was at the harbour
with his troops. The French troops, of course. But also
his native Algerian troops. He got the order to disarm
his Algerian troops and leave them there. He couldn't
believe it. These Algerian soldiers had fought along
side us for years. You know, the war lasted 8 years.
So, he asked for confirmation of the order. But when it
was confirmed (it had been ordered by Paris) he took
his men - all of them, the Algerians too - to the ship
and marched them on. But the captain of the ship said
he wouldn't take the Algerians. So the officer took out
his pistol and put it to the captain's head and told
him if he didn't take all his men, he'd blow his brains
out...
"I think they shipped the Algerians back when they
arrived in France...where they were all killed. And the
officer...I think he was court-martialled."
******************
----Monday marked the jubilee anniversary of another
war on terror. The International Herald Tribune
announced its beginning with this dispatch from 2
November, 1954:
"Troops Head to Algeria
"Paris: The French government last night sent three
companies of Republican Security Guards by plane and
authorised the immediate dispatch of three battalions
of parachutists to Algeria, where a sharp outbreak of
terrorism, which seemed to follow a co-ordinated
pattern, struck wide areas of the country early
yesterday..."
Among the French troops who ended up in Algeria was our
old friend, Francois:
"What a mess. You didn't know who were friends and who
were enemies. Somebody would pass you and smile, and
then they'd shoot you in the back.
"And we were no angels either. The French army became
pretty brutal...we felt we had no choice. That was one
reason the top military leaders wanted the war stopped;
it was destroying the integrity of the army itself.
Armies can't fight terror without becoming terrorists
themselves.
"Of course, it was all a disaster..."
Algeria was not a godforsaken Third-World hellhole. It
was a department of France, like an American state. It
was thought by many to be France's most beautiful
state...and was home to about a million Frenchmen, who
had been there for many generations. But in the early
'50s, the juice of Arab independence and Marxist
revolution had begun to ferment throughout the
colonies.
The French tried to put a cork on the insurrection in
the old tried and true manner - with murder, torture
and concentration camps. The Rumsfelds, Cheneys,
Bremers, and Bushes of the time believed they could
master the situation - if they could just bring up
enough guns and soldiers. They couldn't believe that
Algeria would want to turn its back on the blessings of
French civilisation. Their spokesman of the time was
none other than the French minister of the interior
[later, president of the Republic, the Socialist]
Francois Mitterand:
"From Flanders to the Congo, there is one law, one
nation, one parliament. It is the Constitution...and it
is our will. The government will make sure than our
fellow citizens of Algeria know they have a
future...and that this future is French."
But that is one of the wonders of mass man. He does not
reason. He does not think. He merely goes along with
whatever feeling stirs the mob. That is why a small
group of determined fanatics can triumph over a much
larger group of passive citizens. The majority are
merely swept along, by the currents, like plastic
bottles in a swollen storm drain.
Local French administrators tried to isolate the
problem by setting up internment camps for Arabs. At
one time, as many as 2 million people were forced into
the camps...out of a total population of 9 million. A
young inspector, Michel Rocard, was sent from Paris to
study the 'regroupment' camps. His report shocked the
government and the world.
"This genocide was neither deliberate nor systematic,"
recalled Rocard in last week's Nouvel Observateur. "It
was simply the fruit of practical colonels on the
scene, who wanted to get local populations out of the
way of their military operations. Only, there was a
problem: there was no money to feed the displaced
people. It was as simple as that. So, they died. The
administrators of the camps that I saw were not Nazis;
for the most part, they were saddened and a little
ashamed."
It is estimated that 200,000 people starved to death in
the camps, says the Nouvel Observateur.
But neither death camps nor torture chambers nor
hundreds of thousands of troops were enough.
Eventually, the government gave up and signed a peace
accord, turning the country over to the Arabs. The
local French were appalled. A coup d'etat fizzled. And
then French troops fired on Europeans in Algiers to
restore order. Eventually, the French were run out of
Algeria like the Americans from Vietnam -
disgracefully, leaving behind as many as 60,000 pro-
French Algerians who, having collaborated with the
colonialists, were then massacred by the new rulers.
Of course, there were incidents of grace and heroism
too. When the order came to abandon their local
auxiliaries to almost certain death, at least some of
the French officers had the courage to disobey.
Francois: "Yes, one of our officers was at the harbour
with his troops. The French troops, of course. But also
his native Algerian troops. He got the order to disarm
his Algerian troops and leave them there. He couldn't
believe it. These Algerian soldiers had fought along
side us for years. You know, the war lasted 8 years.
So, he asked for confirmation of the order. But when it
was confirmed (it had been ordered by Paris) he took
his men - all of them, the Algerians too - to the ship
and marched them on. But the captain of the ship said
he wouldn't take the Algerians. So the officer took out
his pistol and put it to the captain's head and told
him if he didn't take all his men, he'd blow his brains
out...
"I think they shipped the Algerians back when they
arrived in France...where they were all killed. And the
officer...I think he was court-martialled."
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To be frank, I really don't care if Bush did it for the oil fields.
The bottom line is that, in the process of securing oil fields, Bush also killed off the Islamic fanatics, and that's a good enough reason to vote for Bush imvho.
Trendie, I know what Islamic fanaticism is about. If you had the same experiences as me, you would most certainly be 100% behind Bush like I am.
My hat goes off to Bush for his extermination of the Pakistani backed Taliban and for his dedication to eliminating Al-Quaeda. I look forward to overt anti-terrorism military co-operation between the world's two largest democracies (USA and India). Islamic fanaticism is on its dying legs. Evil will be exterminated.
The bottom line is that, in the process of securing oil fields, Bush also killed off the Islamic fanatics, and that's a good enough reason to vote for Bush imvho.
Trendie, I know what Islamic fanaticism is about. If you had the same experiences as me, you would most certainly be 100% behind Bush like I am.
My hat goes off to Bush for his extermination of the Pakistani backed Taliban and for his dedication to eliminating Al-Quaeda. I look forward to overt anti-terrorism military co-operation between the world's two largest democracies (USA and India). Islamic fanaticism is on its dying legs. Evil will be exterminated.
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Hillbillies, neocons, rednecks, religious fanatics.......
Is there any other label that you would like to put to us? Is it so difficult to accept that we have different views and beliefs and the same rights as you to follow those convictions? What has been said by the American majority is quite simply, "enough is enough". We have sat back for too long and watched the world we once knew being destroyed by those with liberal views, it is time to draw a line in the sand before our very existence is destroyed by those with views that are so perverse they are evil.
That some of you feel your world is a better place because of your liberal tendencies is sad, and that you can even imagine for one moment that your way is the right and only way deserves pity. Take a good look around you and ask yourself what you see.... The answers are there for everyone to behold, no love, no peace, greed, hunger, pestilence, envy, murder, child molestation etc. Now ask yourselves what things used to be like 25 years ago and what has made us all so evil.
Is there any other label that you would like to put to us? Is it so difficult to accept that we have different views and beliefs and the same rights as you to follow those convictions? What has been said by the American majority is quite simply, "enough is enough". We have sat back for too long and watched the world we once knew being destroyed by those with liberal views, it is time to draw a line in the sand before our very existence is destroyed by those with views that are so perverse they are evil.
That some of you feel your world is a better place because of your liberal tendencies is sad, and that you can even imagine for one moment that your way is the right and only way deserves pity. Take a good look around you and ask yourself what you see.... The answers are there for everyone to behold, no love, no peace, greed, hunger, pestilence, envy, murder, child molestation etc. Now ask yourselves what things used to be like 25 years ago and what has made us all so evil.
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I am staggered by the comments of the people who just do not or refuse to see beyond the spin but time will ultimately provide proof of their ignorance.
There is an upside to the Bush re-election, and providing he does not decide to take on Iran and blow us all to kingdom come in the process then there is a potential positive effect for Europe.
Why Europe Needs — And Wants — Bush to Win
By Richard Phillips
Wednesday, October 13, 2004
The Globalist - Washington DC
"The conventional wisdom has it that President Bush’s first term in office has been truly bad for Europe. Whether it is the rift over Iraq or almost any other major policy issue, we are told that they have been to the detriment of Europe. But as Richard Phillips argues, the Bush Administration has not only helped bring Germany and France closer together — it has also unwittingly elevated Europe’s prestige throughout the world."
http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=4208
It is sad to note that what has been, up to this point, an international dislike of the Bush administration will now justifyably be translated into a much stronger international dislike of Americans in general. This election has provided to the World proof of the US populations backing for Bush's insane fiscal policy and pre-emptive and aggressive foreign policy. It is unfortunate that we are all going to be dragged along with it whether we like it or not.
It would seem likely that Wolfowitz will become the new secretary of defense and Bolton the new secretary of state. If you know anything about these boys then you will also know to start building your fall-out shelter.
Iran is pivotal and as with Iraq it is really all about energy products, here are two reasons why a Bush/Sharon pre-emption will get very messy.
Russia to Sign Nuclear Deal With Iran in December — Report
03.11.2004
MosNews - Russia
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/03/iran.shtml
Iran, China sign 100 billion dollar gas deal
10/29/2004
Turkish Press - Turkey
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=32224
There is an upside to the Bush re-election, and providing he does not decide to take on Iran and blow us all to kingdom come in the process then there is a potential positive effect for Europe.
Why Europe Needs — And Wants — Bush to Win
By Richard Phillips
Wednesday, October 13, 2004
The Globalist - Washington DC
"The conventional wisdom has it that President Bush’s first term in office has been truly bad for Europe. Whether it is the rift over Iraq or almost any other major policy issue, we are told that they have been to the detriment of Europe. But as Richard Phillips argues, the Bush Administration has not only helped bring Germany and France closer together — it has also unwittingly elevated Europe’s prestige throughout the world."
http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=4208
It is sad to note that what has been, up to this point, an international dislike of the Bush administration will now justifyably be translated into a much stronger international dislike of Americans in general. This election has provided to the World proof of the US populations backing for Bush's insane fiscal policy and pre-emptive and aggressive foreign policy. It is unfortunate that we are all going to be dragged along with it whether we like it or not.
It would seem likely that Wolfowitz will become the new secretary of defense and Bolton the new secretary of state. If you know anything about these boys then you will also know to start building your fall-out shelter.
Iran is pivotal and as with Iraq it is really all about energy products, here are two reasons why a Bush/Sharon pre-emption will get very messy.
Russia to Sign Nuclear Deal With Iran in December — Report
03.11.2004
MosNews - Russia
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/03/iran.shtml
Iran, China sign 100 billion dollar gas deal
10/29/2004
Turkish Press - Turkey
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=32224
My interpretation is this.....drawing a line in the sand when the opponent is someone with the capability of Iraq is one matter......drawing that line when the opponent is of similar stature eg China aligning with Iran is a completely different proposition..the more equal the match the more damage will be sustained...if you don't believe that then watch more boxing to see it in action..there won't be any sidelines to stand on even for Europe
twalker, perrington, et al.
Now I understand what you guys are all about. ( I realised this after watching 'The Power of Nightmares' - one of the funniest works of fiction I've seen in a long time. I'm surprised they didn't screen it on April Fools Day.)
You're conspirancy theory junkies !!
You think the world is one big conspiracy. I bet you visit all thse web sites that say that America didn't really land on the moon and it was all filmed in someone's garage in Arizona. And I bet you think that Princess Diana was killed by the Duke of Edinburgh on the orders of The Queen.
If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny. Get a life, guys, and wake up to reality.
Well done America for electing a man who will stand up to the real threat in the world, the Islamic Terrorists.
Now I understand what you guys are all about. ( I realised this after watching 'The Power of Nightmares' - one of the funniest works of fiction I've seen in a long time. I'm surprised they didn't screen it on April Fools Day.)
You're conspirancy theory junkies !!
You think the world is one big conspiracy. I bet you visit all thse web sites that say that America didn't really land on the moon and it was all filmed in someone's garage in Arizona. And I bet you think that Princess Diana was killed by the Duke of Edinburgh on the orders of The Queen.
If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny. Get a life, guys, and wake up to reality.
Well done America for electing a man who will stand up to the real threat in the world, the Islamic Terrorists.
TWI
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ivorm,
Just for the record, do you consider George Soros, the multibillionare financier, who has spent billions of his own dollars trying to promote open, democratic societies in troubled countries a conspiracy nut?
Because he is talking from the same page as the people who you just labelled "conspiracy theory junkies", the other thing about Soros is that he has made his fortune from a lifetime of being right about the future.
http://www.georgesoros.com/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Tour
Incidentally
Who in the west wouldn't want to see the eradication of the Taliban regime? Who wouldn't want to see the radical Islamist threat neutralised? Nobody ever disputed the validity of these aims. If you do not see that these are now just being used to justify a far greater, aggressive and destabilising global ambition that has nothing to do with these two groups then you have had your mind well and truely shut.
Just for the record, do you consider George Soros, the multibillionare financier, who has spent billions of his own dollars trying to promote open, democratic societies in troubled countries a conspiracy nut?
Because he is talking from the same page as the people who you just labelled "conspiracy theory junkies", the other thing about Soros is that he has made his fortune from a lifetime of being right about the future.
http://www.georgesoros.com/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Tour
Incidentally
Who in the west wouldn't want to see the eradication of the Taliban regime? Who wouldn't want to see the radical Islamist threat neutralised? Nobody ever disputed the validity of these aims. If you do not see that these are now just being used to justify a far greater, aggressive and destabilising global ambition that has nothing to do with these two groups then you have had your mind well and truely shut.
twalker,
Here's a couple of great links for you. Enjoy them (and believe every word, lol).
http://www.theparafiles.com/articles/fmlc.html
http://www.angelfire.com/weird/foreverblue/consp/princessdiana.html
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