Brexit - in or out

Both! One does not exclude the other imo. You decide what you want to be. Being European doesn't stop one being British imo.

I concur Parliament is a great house but we will not be losing it. I see EU as being similar to the House of Lords, simply adding another chamber or level to the decision and law making process. Not forgetting 'British' representation will also exist in EU Parliament.

When thinking about what comes over from Europe, on Radio 4 somebody pointed out the reason why our beaches and coast lines have improved in cleanliness is because of European directives. Its not all about the size or curvature of cucumbers but many good standards and practices also come over from Europe which our lot wouldn't have embraced otherwise.

Personally, nationalities and borders mean jack to me. It's about way of life, culture, work, food, family and simply living a good life. I can easily live in Italy where my health and joints would be far happier for it. Don't see Europe as some other country but more my back yard. :)

That is my opinion, too. Some good things have come out of Europe and I wonder if the man in the street is, really, interested in who is governing him and making the laws. Boris Johnson has his own political fish to fry, as they all have, and they don't give a monkey's for us. That goes for socialists and company directors, too. If any one here is a director he will know that what I say is fact. Never seen a hungry one in my lifetime, so wake up and think what would be best for you and your families.
 
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Both! One does not exclude the other imo. You decide what you want to be. Being European doesn't stop one being British imo.

I concur Parliament is a great house but we will not be losing it. I see EU as being similar to the House of Lords, simply adding another chamber or level to the decision and law making process. Not forgetting 'British' representation will also exist in EU Parliament.

When thinking about what comes over from Europe, on Radio 4 somebody pointed out the reason why our beaches and coast lines have improved in cleanliness is because of European directives. Its not all about the size or curvature of cucumbers but many good standards and practices also come over from Europe which our lot wouldn't have embraced otherwise.

Personally, nationalities and borders mean jack to me. It's about way of life, culture, work, food, family and simply living a good life. I can easily live in Italy where my health and joints would be far happier for it. Don't see Europe as some other country but more my back yard. :)



Really well summed up. Does anyone seriously think that, even if France and Germany have been set on political union since 1945, that they intend it to mean the end of Frenchness or of Germanness? These national identities will not be subsumed, they are too strong and the populations too attached to their respective cultures (and cultural differences). The activity and location of another layer of politicians will certainly not make me less English (or more Belgian).
 
The news of Boris Johnson backing the Brexit means that it is all the more likely and has lead to major depreciation of the pound against the dollar and also affected the Euro. I think referendum news should be followed closely as a fundemental when trading GBP/USD and EUR/USD as it is likely to have great impacts either way the referendum goes. For me politically I think Britain is better in the EU, but who nows what the future will bring.
 
Boris Johnson's decision has not made Brexit more likely but it has brought Borisexit closer - Boris's exit from government.
 
I read something in the Sunday Times yesterday by Luke Johnson, who is in the Vote out campaign and it has made me think - did not know that - that's concerned me !

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Europe has 7% of the Worlds Population and 25% of the World's GDP - But 50% of the World's welfare spending

Now that's worrying in the very competitive World we now live in

Love to know the figures when we joined ?

Still totally undecided - I want to stay in - BUT - are we going to end up being dragged into a declining union that will face more major problems over the next 2 decades - whilst the UK is making the best progress in terms of growth and World progress ?
 
The Bank of England's Mark Carney faces the wrath of eurosceptic MPs as he announces banks will be offered billions of pounds of extra liquidity to avoid a post-Brexit financial crisis

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ney-priti-patel-suffragettes-brexit-live.html


We are told by the Exit camp, we will be better off but I can't see the logistics on how much better off we will be. All ifs and wishful thinking with no substance in any of their arguments imo. Does the man in the street know how much sovereignty is going to cost him and what he'll be able to do with it that he can't do now?

With the pound falling energy imports will cost considerably more. Oil and electricity costs will go up along with any imports used in manufacture of goods and services.


In a nut shell, if a Brexit is voted for, money, institutions and businesses will leave London and the UK.
 
Boris the Doris typically the blundering buffoon that he is does the fastest U-turn in political history as the Evening Standard reported.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-gag-memo-was-a-cockup-a3198241.html

Boris Johnson today overturned a memo instructing his senior City Hall team not to speak out against Brexit, describing it as a “cock-up”.

He withdrew official advice that warned aides to “either advocate the Mayor’s position or otherwise not openly contradict it”.

The email from his chief of staff Sir Edward Lister, sent last Friday, had prompted accusations of hypocrisy as it came just 24 hours before he accused pro-EU campaigners of trying to gag opponents.



Hope this idiot never makes PM. Two faced lying, political toe rag.
 
Europe has 7% of the Worlds Population and 25% of the World's GDP - But 50% of the World's welfare spending

That is exactly what the problem is with socialism. You have too many countries like Greece, Spain, Portugal, Cyprus and many more that are feckless with huge grey economies that take advantage of the EU. The EU is one big socialist experiment.

Feckless - they do not produce very much. Greece basically has virgin olive oil as its main export. Spain only has bad accountants to export. :LOL:

A very small minority of the countries manage to implement and maintain a socialist economy successfully. In fact, Switzerland and Norway are two of the most prosperous nations in Europe that are socialist leaning and they are not even part of the EU to boot.

Sweden dropped from the 4th most wealthiest country to the 14th in 23 years due to its high socialistic tax structure, which it has now remedied. Their embrace of more capitalistic principles has rebounded their economy.
 
By the way, by all estimates the global population is no more than 7.3 billion. The population of the EU is 742 million. 0.742/7.3 = 10.1%.

The GDP of the EU is $18.51 trillion. The GDP of the world is$ 77.27 trillion.
18.51/77.27 = 23.9%

Try this on for size.

Norway has a GDP of $512.6 billion. It has a population of 5 million.

5 million/7.3 billion = 0.06% of world's population, but it has nearly 1% of the world's GDP.

The U.S. has 4% of world's population, but it has 22% of world's GDP.
 
Boris the Doris typically the blundering buffoon that he is does the fastest U-turn in political history as the Evening Standard reported.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-gag-memo-was-a-cockup-a3198241.html

Boris Johnson today overturned a memo instructing his senior City Hall team not to speak out against Brexit, describing it as a “cock-up”.

He withdrew official advice that warned aides to “either advocate the Mayor’s position or otherwise not openly contradict it”.

The email from his chief of staff Sir Edward Lister, sent last Friday, had prompted accusations of hypocrisy as it came just 24 hours before he accused pro-EU campaigners of trying to gag opponents.



Hope this idiot never makes PM. Two faced lying, political toe rag.

I don't think that anyone knows. I have an idea that most people will vote for the status quo. Stay in. But not because they have a specific reason, as far as economy is concerned, but because they think that any change will not effect their standard of living. In fact, it might become worse.

On the radio, this morning, there was a chat about why people have not changed their gas bills to a cheaper company. In a nutshell, it is inertia and there has been a lot of publicity about this, too. It is not as if people do not know that they are paying through the nose.
 
I don't think that anyone knows. I have an idea that most people will vote for the status quo. Stay in. But not because they have a specific reason, as far as economy is concerned, but because they think that any change will not effect their standard of living. In fact, it might become worse.

On the radio, this morning, there was a chat about why people have not changed their gas bills to a cheaper company. In a nutshell, it is inertia and there has been a lot of publicity about this, too. It is not as if people do not know that they are paying through the nose.

Point I was making about Boris, is that he is playing politics and in his words causing yet another '****-up'!

Cameron has given a free vote to his Party but Boris thought better of it. John Longworth has done the honourable act and stood down so he could campaign as an individual thus not mis-representing majority of his members as leader.


The out camp keep saying we can do better outside based on what? Sovereignty doesn't produce any income or jobs.

Here are the global stats and UK stands within the top 5th or 6th in most. On par with France and pretty much Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_economy#World_economy_by_Country_Groups

If France and Germany can flourish and keep up with the UK I am yet to be convinced how UK will maintain the position or advance outside of the EU (in which it has been for over 40 years).

So stepping out based on what Brexiters are telling us - we can do better outside of the union, carries enormous risk in an ever increasing global world when all other countries are looking at joining blocs.


EU Referendum: How Boris Johnson Has Changed His Tune On Britain Remaining In The European Union


Other than Nigel Lawson I don't respect any of the bodies calling for the out vote as I do not believe they have the interest of the country at heart but more the Tory party leadership and positions in a future cabinet.

Like trump saying we can make US great again, these guys are saying UK can do better. Would you trust them based on their past track history.

Much hog wash!!!
 
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Castle S08E13 geordie accent

In an episode of Castle that recently aired, there was a character who spoke completely unintelligibly. They said that he had a geordie accent. Does anybody really talk like that in the UK?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei1DnFdJrww

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I worked in the merchant navy for many years. There are a lot of difficult accents in the UK. I remember, once, as a cadet, I was the only Londoner on a ship crewed by Glaswegians. That was difficult! The Geordies are easier to understand. But they were all very warm hearted folk who would give their shirt, if you were in trouble.
 
With Brexit it seems that Eire is going to pursue it's claims to the North, especially as Sinn Feine is getting stronger in the South. Could this mean that only England is left ? Certainly says something about English leadership if the partners want to slip away. Nobody wants to be a part of a failing system. The world trend currently seems to be to look for membership of bigger groups.
The Eu may be one of the bigger groups currently that are destined for break up as their system has been designed so badly they are unable to compete. They won't reform when NOW is the time. Idiots !! Imho it is a basic choice of compete or die.
 
With Brexit it seems that Eire is going to pursue it's claims to the North, especially as Sinn Feine is getting stronger in the South. Could this mean that only England is left ? Certainly says something about English leadership if the partners want to slip away. Nobody wants to be a part of a failing system. The world trend currently seems to be to look for membership of bigger groups.
The Eu may be one of the bigger groups currently that are destined for break up as their system has been designed so badly they are unable to compete. They won't reform when NOW is the time. Idiots !! Imho it is a basic choice of compete or die.

They have tried to do too much, too soon. A great pity. When they started it was a trade agreement. Then came a lot of other agreements, too fast. But, in my view, the biggest blunder was the expansion. All because of the fear of Russia. Now we have 28 nations with different languages and very different characteristics. Even now Turkey wants in, with its very different culures.
 
There are major tax implications for UK citizens that live in Europe if there is a Brexit.

Should Britain choose to leave the European Union (EU), British citizens owning houses in France could end up paying an extra 10% in tax should they decide to sell their properties.

EU citizens wishing to buy or sell a property in France face a 39.5% tax. Aspiring buyers have to first pay the tax in France, which can then be offset when it comes to paying taxes in their native countries, as long as it is part of the 28-country bloc.

The tax comprises capital gains tax of 19%, a surcharge of up to 6% and social charges of up to 15.5%, equating to a maximum of 36.5%. The French capital gains tax and surcharge paid can then be offset against the tax due in the UK at up to 28%, while French social charges cannot be offset, meaning up to an extra 3% worth of tax is payable in the UK.

"However, non-EU citizens, pay a 33.3% tax on capital gains and face social charges of up to 15.5%, meaning Britons wanting to purchase a property across the channel could end up paying 48.5% in taxes."

Under EU legislation, EU citizens are considered tax resident in the country where they spend over six months a year, although workers posted abroad and those who look for jobs abroad can be considered tax residents in their own country even if they spend over six months abroad.

With approximately two million Britons currently residing in European countries, a Brexit could have potentially damaging tax implications for the vast majority of them.

"There's no current legislation that explicitly suggests non-EU citizens receive a worse deal tax-wise, although issues regarding employment permits and home ownership rights, which clearly have direct implications on taxes are more favourable for EU members," said David Cheetham, senior market analyst at www.xtb.com.

"Most EU countries currently have bilateral tax treaties in place in an attempt to relieve double taxation if this were to occur, however there's no guarantee this agreement would remain if the UK were to leave the EU."

In accordance with the Treaty of Lisbon, should Britain vote to leave the EU it would be granted a two-year period to renegotiate deals with other member states. However, on the tax front, that could prove an extremely difficult task, given each EU member state has its own tax system.

"It almost goes without saying that it is highly unlikely a Brexit would be beneficial with regards to negotiating tax treatment arrangements," Cheetham added.

"Whilst it may not lead to worse conditions than present, the risks are certainly skewed to the downside which has caused the vast majority of members to expat organisations to be desperate to avoid this outcome."

Leaving the EU could also put a spanner in the works of British citizens looking to relocate to countries that offer attractive tax deals.

In Portugal, new tax residents - as long as they are registered as non-habitual residents- are offered all foreign sources of income tax free for the first 10 years which, along with great weather and excellent food, has made the country a prime destination for many, particularly those wishing to retire there.

Likewise, Britons are often tempted by Cyprus' 5% tax on regular annual pensions income, while France is also seen as an excellent place for retirees wishing to cash their pension pots in one go.

However, in the event of a Brexit and should Britain fail to strike new pension deals with each member of the 28-country bloc, a Briton's pension for a period worked in a EU country could be worth less when at maturity.

Furthermore, with the pound falling amid the uncertainty surrounding Britain's future within the EU - the UK currency hit a seven-year low on 22 February - the disadvantages facing Britons living abroad in the event of a Brexit could be exacerbated.

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Pat, In your second paragraph, you include the conditional "could". With everything we do, nowadays, it is "this could happen" or "that could happen". IMO, it is out of our hands until June. Then each individual, who has a vote, will be able to cast it. The rest is supposition, no matter what Cameron, Johnson, Obama or Farage says.
 
Should Britain choose to leave the European Union (EU), British citizens owning houses in France could end up paying an extra 10% in tax should they decide to sell their properties.

Since you do not have a house in France, it will not affect you. I am surprised that you care about the wealthy. Hard-core lefties such as yourself are always trying to find ways to tax the wealthy.
 
Since you do not have a house in France, it will not affect you. I am surprised that you care about the wealthy. Hard-core lefties such as yourself are always trying to find ways to tax the wealthy.

Why are you surprised? Any country who would consider Trump for president would drive anyone to socialism. Stay with him. You deserve each other.
 
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