Brexit and the Consequences

[counter_violent]

Sorry Tim, but I know you are bright enough to understand the point I have made about the national interest and disbenefits to you and many other people. Perhaps I was rude. but hey what's a few words between old timers like us.

I think Brexiteers need to make the case for the post-brexit benefits. Including any non-financial ones that you think make people happi=er...

Well here's a non financial benefit that makes me exceedingly happy.

Our own failed politicians can no longer give up on UK politics and move over to the EU where they can fail again.

The Kinnock's spring to mind.

What was it? 18 million they had out of the EU !

 

[CavaliereVerde]

Decent healthcare and education have very little to do with the EU.

Just the opposite.
Affordable healthcare and affordable education are common everywhere in continetal europe, they are a value of European culture.
I don't think it is a coincidence.
UK has affordable healthcare but expensive education.
US has expensive health and expensive education.

 

[CavaliereVerde]

EU made an absolute pigs ear of handling Covid.

Let me desagree but I don't want to discuss about covid here.
If you want we can compare UK handling a EU handling in the proper thread.

 

[timsk]

Just the opposite.
Affordable healthcare and affordable education are common everywhere in continetal europe, they are a value of European culture.
I don't think it is a coincidence.
UK has affordable healthcare but expensive education.
US has expensive health and expensive education.

Your assessment regarding Italy and continental Europe may be correct, but you're assessment regarding the U.K. is quite wrong. Both healthcare and education are free for those that need it, but the quality of each is abysmal. The NHS is one of the worst performing healthcare systems in the developed world - and the reasons for that have nothing to do with Brexit and, as I said before, there's no evidence that it would be in better shape had we remained in the EU.

 

[timsk]

Let me desagree but I don't want to discuss about covid here.
If you want we can compare UK handling a EU handling in the proper thread.

Nothing to discuss: I was merely stating a point of fact.

 

[CavaliereVerde]

One year of university in Italy : 4k for an avearage income family.
What is the average cost of university in UK ? 20k afaik
I agree it does not depend on Brexit but I prefer the European way to the UK way.

European welfare is the best and EU is a way to spread and standardize it.

 

[timsk]

One year of university in Italy : 4k for an avearage income family.
What is the average cost of university in UK ? 20k afaik
I agree it does not depend on Brexit but I prefer the European way to the UK way.

You're talking about higher education - I was referring to secondary school. Be that as it may, you're correct that university fees will be at least £20k. When I went to art school back in the late 70s early 80s - the state gave me a grant! Those days are long gone and students having to pay their own way came in yonks ago - long before Brexit. So, I concur with you 100% that the health and education system in many European countries (certainly Italy which I believe is one of the best in the world for health) is far superior to what we have in the U.K. and that we would do well to try and replicate what you have.

European welfare is the best and EU is a way to spread and standardize it.

If you want to impose what you have on others - then you may be correct. I fundamentally oppose that view as it's largely the cause of the mess the world is in. It should be up to each sovereign state to decide for themselves the best way forward; not have it imposed on them by others. If country A recognises that country B (who just happens to be in the EU) does something - or has something - that's better than what they currently have, then country A is free to try and replicate it. EU membership is immaterial.

 

[CavaliereVerde]

If you want to impose what you have on others - then you may be correct.

I don't think EU membership has been imposed to any country.
EU means having a certain degree of welfare and democracy, these standards are both required and promoted by EU.
It is not an exclusive of EU, New Zealand and Canada are doing better than the majority of EU countries but I see it as an exception.

 

[CavaliereVerde]

So, I concur with you 100% that the health and education system in many European countries (certainly Italy which I believe is one of the best in the world for health) is far superior to what we have in the U.K. and that we would do well to try and replicate what you have.

Happy to read it, so if you want UK to reach EU quality I think that it makes more sense to be inside EU.
Leaving EU doesn't seem the best way to reach EU welfare and education.

 

[Atilla]

Well here's a non financial benefit that makes me exceedingly happy.

Our own failed politicians can no longer give up on UK politics and move over to the EU where they can fail again.

The Kinnock's spring to mind.

What was it? 18 million they had out of the EU !

UK Politicians absolute SH!!TE.

No integrity, no backbone, no principals, the old guard dying. New career politicians. Becoming MP is just simply business to getting free benefits and and lodgings coupled with property development (brought to you by courtesy of Mrs T and her **** up wage increase busting benefits to keep the pigs well fed).

Parliament in desrepute. Tories blaming civil servants for taking sides. Bullying of civil servants. Even the committee on standards is being tarnished by politicising principals.

You have some strange and very unusual ideas of how leaving the EU is benefiting British democracy.

 

[counter_violent]

Now we have the proper story, Farage v Coutts.

Can't wait to see this case in the courts.

Farage should crowdfund any action, because the outcome affects us all.

Bank believed Nigel Farage's views didn't 'align with our values'

Former Ukip leader Nigel Farage said the 40-page dossier detailing Coutts's discussions about him showed it was lying about the reason he was dropped.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[counter_violent]

Now we have the proper story, Farage v Coutts.

Can't wait to see this case in the courts.

Farage should crowdfund any action, because the outcome affects us all.

Bank believed Nigel Farage's views didn't 'align with our values'

Former Ukip leader Nigel Farage said the 40-page dossier detailing Coutts's discussions about him showed it was lying about the reason he was dropped.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Apology eh. He should go full steam ahead and get them in to the court.

Nigel Farage gets apology from banking boss in Coutts row

The move comes as plans are announced to make it more difficult for banks to close banking accounts.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

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[timsk]

These are the first 9 items listed on today's Daily Sceptic's News Round-Up page:

• “Nigel Farage: Coutts owner apologises for ‘inappropriate’ claims” – In a letter to the former UKIP leader, Dame Alison Rose insisted the assessment of Mr. Farage “does not reflect the views of the bank”, reports the Times.
• “Jon Sopel issues grovelling apology to Nigel Farage over mocking tweet about bank row” – Broadcaster Jon Sopel has issued an apology to Nigel Farage after previously poking fun at the former UKIP leader’s cancelled account with bank Coutts, reports the Express.
• “BBC under pressure to apologise to Nigel Farage over Coutts account report” – The BBC is under pressure to apologise to Nigel Farage after admitting that it reported inaccurate information about the closure of his Coutts account, according to the Telegraph.
• “Bank account closure rules changed by Government” – The Treasury has announced that banks will be subject to stricter rules over closing customers’ accounts under changes designed to protect freedom of expression, reports the Mirror.
• “NatWest should have its banking licence removed” – Despite NatWest claiming to foster an inclusive culture, it banned Nigel Farage for his political views. The Government needs to take pre-emptive action and break up the business, writes Ross Clark in the Express.
• “How I was nearly ‘de-banked’ because of my friendship with Nigel Farage” – Financial institutions are targeting innocent individuals, such as Simon Heffer in the Telegraph, due to their ties with Nigel Farage.
• “NatWest faces wave of data requests after Nigel Farage scandal” – NatWest faces a wave of demands from ‘debanked’ customers to discover why they lost their accounts, says the Telegraph.
• “Humiliation for Coutts as they grovel to Farage” – The decision by Coutts to ‘de-bank’ Nigel Farage over reputational concerns, and then brief the BBC that it was due to financial requirements, will go down as one of the worst corporate own goals in recent history, says Steerpike in the Spectator.
• “Mafia bosses, dictators and Russian oligarchs: The questionable Coutts clients” – Coutts, the private bank which closed Nigel Farage’s account, has had links to numerous controversial figures, including Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, reports the Telegraph.

 

[counter_violent]

Do these establishment types never learn !

Farage has made a career out of demolishing "the establishment". He is on solid ground here, just as he was when outlining the pitfalls of membership of the EU.

BBC has had to apologise, cause they got it all wrong. Not surprising mind, when they were fed BS from Dame whateverherface when she was the one feeding it to them.
She now needs to do the right thing and resign. She will resign in any event. It's not just Farage that will ensure it happens, others in high places will also demand it.

NatWest CEO Dame Alison Rose facing government pressure to resign

Dame Alison Rose admitted a "serious error" in talking about Nigel Farage's relationship with its private banking arm Coutts.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

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[counter_violent]

Interesting. The lady in the vid was involved with some Russian oligark a few years back. She has been de-banked for reasons as yet unknown.

This could explain why Tim and others have stopped commenting on the Ukraine invasion thread, (because they obviously hold the wrong views) for fear of being de-banked.

 

[counter_violent]

And good riddance. Next job, defending herself in court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-66296935