Brexit and the Consequences

Hee, hee, fun isn’t it :)

Our intrepid PM has stormed the enemies capital and emerged victorious waving her piece of paper declaring “peace in our time”. (Oops, no, that was someone else wasn’t it. Sorry.)er, declaring “legally binding changes”. Now she will charge parliament with “delivering Brexit as the people instructed” as a prelude to the interesting sight of the Brexiteers voting against Brexit whilst the Remainers vote for it. :D


chamberlain-esque ?....oh yes !
 
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watch the GBP do this:
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As i commented recently on my usual thread at T2win ...nice 30 pip range on cable at moment for scalping ....and naturally a nice 200 pip fall earlier

good day in the trenches so far
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How many of you are banking upon No Deal failure and Extension passage? Why would they agree to an extension? Are all Labour in favor of an extension?
 
teresa may sounds like a dalek at the moment in parliament bless her....shes flagging
 
How many of you are banking upon No Deal failure and Extension passage? Why would they agree to an extension? Are all Labour in favor of an extension?


gameplan for labour is extension ----> remain vote
 
Normally negative impact ,because of the economics deals that the UK has with the other country that are currently part of BE
 
Aren't Tories divided on No Deal? How many Tories will back extension? Will Tories back a no-deal scenario?

What DUP & Tories? Aren't they aligned? UKIP wants Brexit by 29th. It seems like if Tories want to leave 29th, no deal is the only option.
 
How many of you are banking upon No Deal failure and Extension passage? Why would they agree to an extension? Are all Labour in favor of an extension?

This is the remain position, an extension gives them the opportunity to call for a second referendum so they can rig it for remain, most of the MPs in parliament fall into either this category or support the current TM deal.

The leave with no deal MPs are in the minority, but are joined by the majority of citizens who voted out.

It’s a pickle that we could have avoided if we had any democratic integrity left.
 
Aren't Tories divided on No Deal? How many Tories will back extension? Will Tories back a no-deal scenario?

What DUP & Tories? Aren't they aligned? UKIP wants Brexit by 29th. It seems like if Tories want to leave 29th, no deal is the only option.

Brexit doesn’t respect political lines, although the majority of MPs are in the remain camp or leave with a good deal camp, except there is no offer of a good deal to vote for if we want to leave the EU, so we are going to end up with Hobson’s choice of remain or remain!

The DUP and the Tories are not aligned.

The DUP blackmailed the Tories demanding £1bn to go into coalition as the Tories could not form a majority govt at last election, with DUP they could, but DUP like Brexit and also don’t want a united Ireland.
 
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Brexit doesn’t respect political lines, although the majority of MPs are in the remain camp or leave with a good deal camp, except there is no offer of a good deal to vote for if we want to leave the EU, so we are going to end up with Hobson’s choice of remain or remain!

The DUP and the Tories are not aligned.

So basically what you are saying is that a no deal is doomed and an extension is highly likely?
 
I'm against paying £39bn for nothing. Withdrawal agreement is not a trade deal. Just money for two years hot air time. It is basically paying money upfront to simply sit down and talk. Absolutely crazy how anyone can agree to parting with so much cash for nothing. No guarantees, no deals, no end point.

So that'll be NO from me for the withdrawal agreement and a NO for no deal exit. We must have a deal before leaving or remain until the end destination is known.

The rest is simply fruitless waste of time. Much ado about nothing. Brexiteers have really duffed up the country. (n)(n)
 
This is the remain position, an extension gives them the opportunity to call for a second referendum so they can rig it for remain, most of the MPs in parliament fall into either this category or support the current TM deal.

The leave with no deal MPs are in the minority, but are joined by the majority of citizens who voted out.

It’s a pickle that we could have avoided if we had any democratic integrity left.
I never really thought that the UK was a democracy. It's a constitutional monarchy. You have a queen with powers of royal ascent. That she rarely uses them is moot. You don't vote on your leader (PM) and referendums are non-binding. There is no vote in the US that is not a legally binding vote, which sometimes creates a bit of pickle. For instance, a bullet train project was passed pre-Recession, now we can't afford the $40 billion+, but the state constitution says we must find a way to pay for it no matter what or hold a costly election to repeal it. They can't just say, "yeah, well, the budget isn't looking too good. Who cares what the electorate says, we don't have the money."

UK politics has always puzzled me. A sovereign parliament, a leader who only remains in power if party is in power (coalition), votes of no confidence not initiated by public decree (impeachment US). You only gained the right to vote on things less than 100 years ago.

I am not bashing the system. You voted for Brexit, initiated Article 50, and now you're getting cold feet. Who does somebody think they are (Bremainers) that they think know better. It doesn't matter if only stupid people voted for Brexit. That's a problem with the electorate. If you don't like it make it something different like a meritocracy—where only the most capable have say otherwise "quit your whinging!"

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I never really thought that the UK was a democracy. It's a constitutional monarchy. You have a queen with powers of royal ascent. That she rarely uses them is moot. You don't vote on your leader (PM) and referendums are non-binding. There is no vote in the US that is not a legally binding vote, which sometimes creates a bit of pickle. For instance, a bullet train project was passed pre-Recession, now we can't afford the $40 billion+, but the state constitution says we must find a way to pay for it no matter what or hold a costly election to repeal it. They can't just say, "yeah, well, the budget isn't looking too good. Who cares what the electorate says, we don't have the money."

UK politics has always puzzled me. A sovereign parliament, a leader who only remains in power if party is in power (coalition), votes of no confidence not initiated by public decree (impeachment US). You only gained the right to vote on things less than 100 years ago.

I am not bashing the system. You voted for Brexit, initiated Article 50, and now you're getting cold feet. Who does somebody think they are (Bremainers) that they think know better. It doesn't matter if only stupid people voted for Brexit. That's a problem with the electorate. If you don't like it make it something different like a meritocracy—where only the most capable have say otherwise "quit your whinging!"

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I see it relatively simply, we had a good trading relationship with the EEC until the early 90's, we signed up to that in the 70's with reservations about the political ambitions of the EU. Then the UK signed up to political treaties to join the EU without consultation which confirmed the suspicions of the EU's political ambitions and that has resulted in Brexit.

Those that voted leave have not got cold feet, only remain MPs have. The majority of leave voters want to leave come hell or high water because of the basic principles of 'democracy' that the EU denies us, we don't like to be ruled by unelected overlords that we have no chance of ridding ourselves of, they can and have imposed many unpopular laws that have to be incorporated into our legal system, we have no control over this. Economics are now a secondary consideration.

The situation that has come to light since the referendum has been enlightening, opening many eyes to modern politics, geopolitics, globalism, populism, elitism, fake news MSM etc etc

The EU is analogous to the USSR, the only way to leave is by popular vote or violence, Brexit is the test case for the EU, if it succeeds the dominoes could start to fall, if Brexit fails then they can accelerate their political ambitions.

One major reason why UKGov is so reluctant to leave is because of the military, intelligence and security position they have agreed with the EU. EU military unification is little debated, never reaches MSM and is enacted bypassing parliamentary scrutiny, it's almost as if it doesn't exist and yet it is happening under our noses, much as most of the Brexit negotiations have been obfuscated and kept from scrutiny, so has EU military unification.
 
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